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Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: PT1] #1774866 02/09/10 08:08 AM
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Really, it makes me want to puke to think about the Chrysler sale to Daimler that totally wrecked the product line and quality of the vehicles which in turn pushed me to buying GM garbage which in turn moved me forward ( LOL ) to Toyota. If they would have just left Chrysler alone I would still be driving them...no problem.
I had 5 in a row that were absolutely perfect..the wife & kids even mowed down a 14 point buck with a Durango and it didn't even stall out and she drove it to the body shop.

Now look at this mess.


DaimlerBenz completely screwed Chrysler over. Buy, gut, sell business tactics.

Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: PT1] #1774945 02/09/10 09:09 AM
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They dont need too, they get their kickbacks from their own goverment subsidies, ask Jim Press about the millions poured into Toyota by the Japanese goverment to develop hybrids :) or all the other subsidies.

Or the corporate welfare where the US Taxpayer got to subsidize Prius's because they were Hybrids to the tune of 3600$/car for the first 60,000 of em made????? 220 million to gready Toyota. I dont want my tax money wasted on imported vehichles?

Hey they, Toy anounded yet another recall today, what another 400K units to fix? You must be proud of the mother company.

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Toyota YAris is made in Japan, so your point is????


My point is that Toyota did not build the Yaris plant with $550MM (that's million) US tax dollars. Hellooooooo! crzy


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Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: PT1] #1774964 02/09/10 09:23 AM
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I had 5 in a row that were absolutely perfect..the wife & kids even mowed down a 14 point buck with a Durango and it didn't even stall out and she drove it to the body shop.

Now look at this mess.


Oh so you're the guy who bought the last five good Chryslers produced over the past couple decades! I had been wondering if there were even that many....

Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: mechanicx] #1774970 02/09/10 09:30 AM
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I'm sure FIAT and the Italians know it all and can save Chrysler from the dumb, lazy Americans just like Mercedes did.


It's the Germans that effed the company up and over.

Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: Norse] #1774990 02/09/10 09:41 AM
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Building the 500 in Mexico is fine, will be a good source for South America. But why not also build them here for the North American market, someplace like Kenosha or something. I really might be wrong, but I think the little 500's will sell like hot cakes when they arrive. Kind of like the beetle did when it hit North America.

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Chrysler should have gone through a proper bankruptcy. If they had they may well have been able to build a plant in a right to work state.


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Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: Johnny] #1775011 02/09/10 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
Building the 500 in Mexico is fine, will be a good source for South America. But why not also build them here for the North American market, someplace like Kenosha or something. I really might be wrong, but I think the little 500's will sell like hot cakes when they arrive. Kind of like the beetle did when it hit North America.


Mexico is part of North America.

Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: Johnny] #1775045 02/09/10 10:13 AM
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But why not also build them here for the North American market, someplace like Kenosha or something.


Is that plant still there? I thought it was torn down some years ago. You might be thinking of Belvedere.

Heck Belvedere could probably absorb another car line with no trouble. All they make there is, what, the Caliber and Patriot I believe?

Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: css9450] #1775142 02/09/10 11:08 AM
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Chrysler should have gone through a proper bankruptcy. If they had they may well have been able to build a plant in a right to work state.


Correct you are.

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Originally Posted By: Johnny
Building the 500 in Mexico is fine, will be a good source for South America. But why not also build them here for the North American market, someplace like Kenosha or something. I really might be wrong, but I think the little 500's will sell like hot cakes when they arrive. Kind of like the beetle did when it hit North America.


Mexico is part of North America.


duh

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But why not also build them here for the North American market, someplace like Kenosha or something.


Is that plant still there? I thought it was torn down some years ago. You might be thinking of Belvedere.

Heck Belvedere could probably absorb another car line with no trouble. All they make there is, what, the Caliber and Patriot I believe?


I'm batting a thousand. You're right, I was thinking of the Belvedere plant.

Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: VNTS] #1775146 02/09/10 11:14 AM
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Or the corporate welfare where the US Taxpayer got to subsidize Prius's because they were Hybrids to the tune of 3600$/car for the first 60,000 of em made????? 220 million to gready Toyota. I dont want my tax money wasted on imported vehichles?

What your saying just is not true. The tax credit for hybrid vehicles did not go solely to Toyota...it actually was an incentive for the consumer much like the one for the Chevy Volt or electric golf carts that get the same thing. So your logic here is totally flawed. You really need to search out the facts on this issue. The whole point of this post is about money being spent to create jobs in Mexico. Not a hybrid vehicle tax credit.

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I had 5 in a row that were absolutely perfect..the wife & kids even mowed down a 14 point buck with a Durango and it didn't even stall out and she drove it to the body shop.


I've always had good luck with Chryslers. I had a ~1987 LeBaron (w/mitsu engine) and a 1992 Plymouth Acclaim. Both were very reliable, good in the snow, comfortable, and decent mileage for their time. Before that, I had an '84 (I think) Dodge Omni -- it was the cheapest econobox (uncomfortable, poor handling, etc.) of the day but it was reliable and got good mileage.

I now own a Jeep Compass which has about 60k miles and hasn't had any problems. It's a great little car; I just can't imagine paying anywhere close to MSRP for it.

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And other than the Honda Insight which was very small in #'s sold, the Prius was the only game in town and over 90% of the Hybrid Tax Credit money went to Prius owners.

So toyota was not inclined to cut prices, jacked em up way above MSRP and took their customers to cleaners since they were getting the 3600$ rebate from you and me! So basically it was welfare for Toyota.

Also lets not forget all the incentives Japan gave Toyota for development of the Batteries and Hyrbid drive systems for the Prius but guess the Japanese taxpayer was on the hook for that one, maybe they ought to ask for that money back since it is a lousey one with [censored] brakes ehh??

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Or the corporate welfare where the US Taxpayer got to subsidize Prius's because they were Hybrids to the tune of 3600$/car for the first 60,000 of em made????? 220 million to gready Toyota. I dont want my tax money wasted on imported vehichles?



What your saying just is not true. The tax credit for hybrid vehicles did not go solely to Toyota...it actually was an incentive for the consumer much like the one for the Chevy Volt or electric golf carts that get the same thing. So your logic here is totally flawed. You really need to search out the facts on this issue. The whole point of this post is about money being spent to create jobs in Mexico. Not a hybrid vehicle tax credit.

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Re: Chrysler to build plant in Mexico... [Re: VNTS] #1775212 02/09/10 11:57 AM
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And other than the Honda Insight which was very small in #'s sold, the Prius was the only game in town and over 90% of the Hybrid Tax Credit money went to Prius owners.

So toyota was not inclined to cut prices, jacked em up way above MSRP and took their customers to cleaners since they were getting the 3600$ rebate from you and me! So basically it was welfare for Toyota.

Also lets not forget all the incentives Japan gave Toyota for development of the Batteries and Hyrbid drive systems for the Prius but guess the Japanese taxpayer was on the hook for that one, maybe they ought to ask for that money back since it is a lousey one with [censored] brakes ehh??

point of this post is about money being spent to create jobs in Mexico. Not a hybrid vehicle tax credit.


Sorry your facts are wrong again. The prius was the only car out there because GM cancelled their EV program and crushed all the cars. Sorry the tax credit is for consumers to buy NON-IC powered vehicles. It is not corporate welfare. Too bad for your opinion but it is just not factual. Electric golf cart owners get the same credit...John Stossel just did a report on his electric golf cart paid for with tax money. The brakes on a Prius are fine. They just need a software upgrade. No parts need be replaced. Just a re-flash.

Get used to it....the Toyota Prius is now and will be the premier electric/gas hybrid vehicle for the next 10 years...because the Volt will fall flat on it's face....I'll be laughing....

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Really, it makes me want to puke to think about the Chrysler sale to Daimler that totally wrecked the product line and quality of the vehicles which in turn pushed me to buying GM garbage which in turn moved me forward ( LOL ) to Toyota. If they would have just left Chrysler alone I would still be driving them...no problem.
I had 5 in a row that were absolutely perfect..the wife & kids even mowed down a 14 point buck with a Durango and it didn't even stall out and she drove it to the body shop.

Now look at this mess.



Wow it's like the tumblers in the vault just clicked, the light bulb is on now.......Your a Chrysler guy, that explains a lot to me.....Carry on.....lol.

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Originally Posted By: PT1
Really, it makes me want to puke to think about the Chrysler sale to Daimler that totally wrecked the product line and quality of the vehicles which in turn pushed me to buying GM garbage which in turn moved me forward ( LOL ) to Toyota. If they would have just left Chrysler alone I would still be driving them...no problem.
I had 5 in a row that were absolutely perfect..the wife & kids even mowed down a 14 point buck with a Durango and it didn't even stall out and she drove it to the body shop.

Now look at this mess.



Wow it's like the tumblers in the vault just clicked, the light bulb is on now.......Your a Chrysler guy, that explains a lot to me.....Carry on.....lol.


That is 100% correct...I am a MOPAR guy done wrong by the Germans and Fix IT Again Tony....if the DCX deal never occured there would NOT ba a Toyota 4Runner in my garage...but honestly...it is the closest thing to the old Durango with the bulletproof 4.7L V8 which by far was my absolutely favorite SUV. The 4 Runner is a pretty good truck though....built as good as the old Durango. I could go on fro about 2 hours about how easy it was to work on the old Durango but that is another story. If Toyota made the wheelbase on the 4R just a bit wider it would have the same exact feel. But the 4.88 gears make it run like the Durango with 4.11's

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