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Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: dsmith41] #1721969
12/28/09 02:28 AM
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The best thing about LOS is the tackifier elements. It helps it stick to engine surfaces. I'm using GC right now, and the first thing I noticed is how well it clings to the dipstick, unlike most all other oils I've used. I figure this oil has plenty of tackification inherently, so I'm not using LOS right now.


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Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: postjeeprcr] #1721977
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Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr


The test Bob did is not worth anything


Well why do Lucas use that exact same test on my local car parts suppliers bench to prove how good it is ?


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Hethaerto] #1721983
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Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
The best thing about LOS is the tackifier elements. It helps it stick to engine surfaces. I'm using GC right now, and the first thing I noticed is how well it clings to the dipstick, unlike most all other oils I've used. I figure this oil has plenty of tackification inherently, so I'm not using LOS right now.


GC clings because of its Ester content and its natural polar attraction to metal. Any product with a tackifier in it only works while the product is cold (room temp). At operating temps the tackifier is useless.

Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Shannow] #1721986
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr


The test Bob did is not worth anything


Well why do Lucas use that exact same test on my local car parts suppliers bench to prove how good it is ?


they don't spin their test at 3 grand

Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Sunabozu] #1721992
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But your engine, gearbox and diff do.


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Shannow] #1721996
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr


The test Bob did is not worth anything


Well why do Lucas use that exact same test on my local car parts suppliers bench to prove how good it is ?



It is not the exact same "test" but it is because people who do not know any better will believe it works from that little device.


If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: dsmith41] #1721997
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Originally Posted By: dsmith41
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr

The test Bob did is not worth anything


Why do you say that?


It has been discussed many times on this site why that little test is not valid


If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: dsmith41] #1722044
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Their bike oil isn't any good, and I never saw the need to add any disco oils to my crankcase.


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Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Sunabozu] #1722049
12/28/09 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Sunabozu
I've noticed that a lot of people are anti-lucas, why?

I've used the oil stabilizer in my truck religiously and it keeps lifter noise to a minimum. And the fuel additive seems to improve milage.''

So why?


We had a mechanic the used car dept send trades to that prepped them for the line when I worked at a Honda Dealer. This guy swore by the Lucas Oil additive, he threw a qt of it into an engine that had noise. Funny thing was after the customers had the car a while some found the noise came back after an oil change, once the Lucas came out. I heard the synthetic stabilizer is the better of the two. I don't use any of their products by am familiar with them because of this mechanic I knew.


God Bless Our Troops

Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: demarpaint] #1722055
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I used about a pint of the Lucas oil additive as a cam lube when I R+Red the head on a CRV. It worked fine for that purpose, but it was no where near as tacky as STP which I have used in the past on OH cams. It kept flowing off the lobes. I would consider using it to get a few thousand more miles out of a worn out engine. But my BMW I6s dont get that bad before the body rust gets them.


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1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

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Thick oil is better grin2
Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: andyd] #1722140
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The Lucas synthetic oil worked well enough in the LS1 in my 2004 GTO, and according to the onboard computer gave slightly (not significant) better fuel economy than some others.

When I removed the Lucas and put in the revered brand "A" wonder oil, it began to lightly piston slap. It never did that on any other oil.

This is one off anecdotal, of course, but I know which one I would use again, and which one I likely will not.


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09 Solstice 2.4 I4 Fram 5/30
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Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Win] #1722167
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No comment on Lucas additives........,but oil pumps cavitate like crazy. Usually, you never notice it. Once in awhile you run across oddball wear patterns on pump gears, almost like somebody sandblasted the edges of the teeth. If you look inside pump housings you can see small areas where you have the pressure transients that cause the cavitation problems. Any air or water vapor bubbles make the problem worse. Any product that helps to entrain vapor bubbles in the oil is really not a good thing.

Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Sunabozu] #1722281
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Originally Posted By: Sunabozu

my engine is over 300k, so really anything i can do to keep'er goin, i'm gonna try, you know?


Well, if it is at 300K, whatever was done during that 300K must be the right thing. Just keep on doing that!

- Vikas

Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Vikas] #1722465
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This is 2009. Oils are great. No need to spend money on something else to put in your oil. If you must, spend that extra money on getting a higher quality oil to begin with. I've never used an oil additive and I know this is hard to believe, but I've never had any problems. My engines don't just purr, they sing.


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Re: Why do people hate lucas products? [Re: Sunabozu] #1722472
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Originally Posted By: Sunabozu
I've noticed that a lot of people are anti-lucas, why?



I like fuel systems cleaners and use them regularly but believe there are better ones like Techron or Redline versus Lucas. As for oil stabilizers...if you need a stabilizer additive (which is really just a thicker higher viscosity oil) to mask engine noise you either need engine repair or a different oil altogether or the noise is normal. How can one additive be compatible with literally dozens of motor oil formulas? Easy: It is a weak oil that has very few additives that simply increases the viscosity of the oil you dump it in. The same thing can be accomplished by adding a quart of 40w or 50w oil to your current multigrade fill for a fraction of the cost. If I want to really thicken my oil I will add a quart of Pennzoil 40w for $4.


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