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Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A #1693571
12/03/09 08:05 AM
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I'm lucky enough to run one of the new 5L Jaguar V8s which (according to the manual) have only one recommended oil:

Castrol SLX Professional Fuel Saver A1 5W-20 (meeting Ford WSS-M2C925A)

This is extremely difficult to get hold of in the UK, and even the dealer seems to have problems getting top-up sized bottles (in fact any 20 weight oil is unavailable retail here).

I can obtain Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 on ebay, but this meets WSS-M2C930A. Does anyone know the difference between these two specifications? .. and is the Pennzoil suitable for top-ups?

Thanks in advance for any input.

Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: drr] #1693619
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Mobil 1 EP 5W20 meets the M2C925-A spec as well....

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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: 94supraonchrome] #1693637
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I really don't know, unless it has something to do with extended drain intervals.

Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: 94supraonchrome] #1693730
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If I had to guess its probably some spec that makes sure the oil isnt a thin 5w20 at 6cst, with proper additives to hold up better.
also

Originally Posted By: 94supraonchrome
Mobil 1 EP 5W20 meets the M2C925-A spec as well....


is simply not true as far as I can tell.

M1EP 5w20 is SUITABLE for use in vehicles recommending that spec. Mobil doesnt even list it as meets or exceeds.. its listed specifically as "suitable" whatever that means. So in other words this is one of the plays on words that oil companies use.. "recommended for" etc

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_Extended_Performance.asp


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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: Rand] #1693781
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i would just see if you can get mobil 1 5w20 online.


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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: Rand] #1693923
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sorry, it's "suitable" for that application, geeze

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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: 94supraonchrome] #1693934
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Originally Posted By: 94supraonchrome
sorry, it's "suitable" for that application, geeze


I wasnt bashing on you I was bashing the oil companies who do this doubletalk.

suitable is the same as recommended for.

in other words.. they think its good enough it wasnt submitted for testing for that spec.

Its one of my rant topics sorry :)

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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: 94supraonchrome] #1693947
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With a 15k mile recommended interval, I suspect the spec has something to do with long intervals:

http://www.sandyblogs.com/jaguar_sales_training_e-newsletter/

M1 EP should work fine in that scenario. I'm surprised the dealer doesn't have the *one* oil which must be used in this car... according to the manual.


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17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: webfors] #1693971
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Boy, it's hard to find info on Castrol's SLX oil. I suspect it's closely related to Edge.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: webfors] #1694001
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re: the dealer. Yeah, me too. It's been 'temporarily' unavailable for months, and I just feel better with a top-up bottle in the trunk just in case.

The M1 EP doesn't seem to be obtainable here. There are loads of different M1 synthetics available, but none 5w-20.

Oh well, I'd better harass the dealer some more.

Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: drr] #1694031
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Will your warranty be void if you use anything but SLX? If not than there are many oils that would perform similarly or better that could be ordered and delivered right to your door.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: webfors] #1694113
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5W-20 is as common as hen's teeth in the UK. Why Jaguar went ahead and recommended that oil weight is beyond me. The Ford WSS-M2C925-A specification applies to Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and I do not have much info on it, I'm afraid.

However, two years ago I was importing an American Ford (Mercury Grand Marquis) into the UK, and did quite a bit of research on some Ford oil specifications. Ford specification WSS-M2C930-A is basically Ford's brand name for the ILSAC GF-4 specification. ILSAC oils carry the API Service Symbol on their packaging, along with the Energy Conserving mark. However, ILSAC GF-4 is also a difficult oil spec to find in the UK. The most commonly available Ford specification in the UK tends to be WSS-M2C913-B, which is a Ford brand name for the ILSAC GF-3 specification, and again is no good for your Jaguar.

I would write to Jaguar and ask them what they would consider 'alternatives'. That way, if your warranty is at risk, you have an official letter from Jaguar backing up any alternative products you may use. Just make sure it is a letter sent by post, and not an email.

Last edited by Falcon_LS; 12/03/09 05:10 PM.

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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: Falcon_LS] #1694128
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Here is something from the Jaguar Sales Training Newsletter:

Originally Posted By: Newsletter
Jaguar and Castrol - two legendary English companies - have teamed up to develop a new 5W-20 synthetic motor oil which enables the AJ-V8 Gen III 5.0L engine to achieve high horsepower and torque without impacting fuel economy. Previously oil changes were required every 10,000 miles. Now that has been extended to 15,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first. The new oil, Castrol Professional FuelSaver SLX A1 5W-20, is exclusive to and must be used in the new 5.0L AJ V8 engines.

Benefits of this new oil include:

· Stable viscosity for sustainable performance
· Improved engine cleanliness and engine protection
· Better ability to compensate for various driving styles

There are several features your new Jaguar customers should know about:

· The new Castrol oil, SLX Professional 5W-20, is the only oil recommended for the new 5.0L AJ V8 engines
· A service reminder in the Message Center lets the driver know when it's time to change oil
· Service Interval is every 15,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first. It's important that your customers visit your Jaguar dealership yearly for annual service
· The first scheduled maintenance service visit is Complimentary
· Maintenance Interval Message automatically appears when it's time for service
· Checking the oil level is simple using the built-in "digital dipstick" on the car's onboard computer. The new engine does not have a traditional dipstick

The Jaguar/Castrol co-engineered 5.0L engine 5W-20 synthetic motor oil is the only lubricant completely tested to be compatible with Jaguar’s new engine components and other fluids and sealants. No substitutions should be made as the warranty coverage requires the use of the proper Jaguar specified lubricant.


Source


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01 Grand Marquis: XG2
03 Expedition SSV: XG2
05 Envoy: XG9837
06 XJ8L: C2C41611
07 SRX: XG8765
Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: drr] #3013895
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Same problem here. Have 2012 XF Portfolio with 5.0 Jaguar V8 and they are VERY specific about using WSS M2C925-A rated oil.
I'll tell you what I found. ALL the "over the counter" including Mobil 1's "suitable for use in" meet A1/B1
. The ONLY oil I have found to date that meets A1/B1 AND A5/B5 (It's High performance equivalent} is the Castrol SLX Professional OE sold at the dealership meeting WSS M2C925-A.
In my book, I own and drive a "high performance" automobile. To date I have been using the dealer oil changes at 5K intervals despite their 15K recommendation (are you kidding me? 15K)
Only have 15K to date, so as long as I am warranty, for now, I have no choice (the way I see it) but to stick to the dealer recommendation and oil. for now... or until some other brand I can trust actually MEETS WSS M2C925-A which includes A5/B5 which in my book might be a bit more "robust" than a1/B1.
My 2 cents worth.


John
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Re: Difference between Ford M2C925-A and M2C930-A [Re: Falcon_LS] #3014126
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Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Here is something from the Jaguar Sales Training Newsletter:

Originally Posted By: Newsletter
Jaguar and Castrol - The new oil, Castrol Professional FuelSaver SLX A1 5W-20, is exclusive to and must be used in the new 5.0L AJ V8 engines.


Source


So there is a European high performance 5W-20. Why the h-ll wasn't I made aware of this?


It all started when I decided to get my oil analyzed instead of my head examined...
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