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#1686182 - 11/27/09 07:03 AM Leave snows on all year?
db500 Offline


Registered: 09/30/07
Posts: 123
Loc: Upstate NY
My wife only puts 8K miles a year on her car. I wanted to put a set of General Altimax Arctic snows (non studded) on it. I don't really want to buy more wheels and swap them every spring/fall.

should I expect any negative consequences for leaving them on all year?

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#1686190 - 11/27/09 07:10 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: db500]
rcy Offline


Registered: 02/14/04
Posts: 1592
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Yes. The softer tread compound will wear away faster when it's hot out and also lead to 'squishy' handling of the vehicle.

Why don't you consider one of the newer 'all weather' tires, that can be left on all year, but also pass the tests required to get the 'mountain/snowflake' symbol on the sidewall.

The Nokian WRG2, Goodyear TripleTred, Yokohama W drive and Continental ExtremeContact DWS are the ones that I know of.


Edited by rcy (11/27/09 07:11 AM)

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#1686194 - 11/27/09 07:14 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: db500]
Bluestream Offline


Registered: 09/13/03
Posts: 5758
Loc: Waterloo, ON
Originally Posted By: db500
My wife only puts 8K miles a year on her car. I wanted to put a set of General Altimax Arctic snows (non studded) on it. I don't really want to buy more wheels and swap them every spring/fall.

should I expect any negative consequences for leaving them on all year?


They will wear very quickly, and eat up the cost of a second set of rims. You should look for good used rims for winter. Craigslist, or a place that scraps cars is a good place to start...
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#1686213 - 11/27/09 07:39 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: rcy]
db500 Offline


Registered: 09/30/07
Posts: 123
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: rcy
Yes. The softer tread compound will wear away faster when it's hot out and also lead to 'squishy' handling of the vehicle.

Why don't you consider one of the newer 'all weather' tires, that can be left on all year, but also pass the tests required to get the 'mountain/snowflake' symbol on the sidewall.

The Nokian WRG2, Goodyear TripleTred, Yokohama W drive and Continental ExtremeContact DWS are the ones that I know of.


I've actually got goodyear triple treads on there now...they have about 30K on them...still good tread.

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#1686333 - 11/27/09 10:31 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: rcy]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: rcy

The Nokian WRG2, Goodyear TripleTred, Yokohama W drive and Continental ExtremeContact DWS are the ones that I know of.

Another vote for Nokian, if you want a tire that you can run all year long yet do well in winter.
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#1686686 - 11/27/09 04:39 PM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: rcy]
rpn453 Offline


Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 4844
Loc: Saskatchewan
Originally Posted By: rcy
Yes. The softer tread compound will wear away faster when it's hot out and also lead to 'squishy' handling of the vehicle.

Why don't you consider one of the newer 'all weather' tires, that can be left on all year, but also pass the tests required to get the 'mountain/snowflake' symbol on the sidewall.

The Nokian WRG2, Goodyear TripleTred, Yokohama W drive and Continental ExtremeContact DWS are the ones that I know of.


Of those, the Nokians are the only passenger car tires that have both the snowflake symbol and the UTQG rating. The Fortera Tripletread Truck/SUV tire is also dual-rated.

The presence of the snowflake symbol does not automatically mean the tire has a soft tread compound. It is based on a hard-packed snow test only, so it requires an aggressive tread design but not soft rubber. The only way to know how a winter tire will perform and last in warm weather is to try that tire or talk to someone else who has tried it.
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#1686959 - 11/27/09 09:31 PM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: db500]
Finklejag Offline


Registered: 11/23/03
Posts: 1546
Loc: WA
The Vredestein Quatrac 3 would fit your bill. It's a true 4 season tire.

" The Quatrac 3 is Vredestein's ultimate four-season tyre. The tyre is the perfect alternative for motorists who want to drive all year round in a moderate climate on one type of tyre. The striking asymmetrical, non-directional tread with the separate summer and winter sides offers optimal safety and comfort in all weather conditions. The tyre has excellent handling characteristics that are ideal for driving in summer conditions on dry and wet roads. At the same time, the tyre also offers perfect grip and high discharging capacity in winter conditions. The tread contains three longitudinal grooves which not only serve an aesthetic function, but also discharge water efficiently.

The summer side of the Quatrac 3 is located in the outermost part of the tread. The summer side of the Quatrac 3 has a lower air ratio (more rubber, less air) and a small number of straight sipes. In summer conditions this produces extra grip on the outer shoulder, on both dry and wet surfaces. Because of the extra quantity of rubber on the outer shoulder and the rigid tread blocks, the tyre responds alertly to steering reactions.

The inner section of the Quatrac 3 has a very open tread structure with undulating sipes, which provide extra traction on snowy surfaces in winter conditions. This part of
the tread also has a high discharge capacity, preventing mud and snow from getting stuck in the tread and ensuring that the grip remains optimal.The Quatrac 3 bears
the Snowflake and M&S symbols and hence complies with the requirements for a winter tyre."



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#1686984 - 11/27/09 09:58 PM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: Finklejag]
rjundi Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 7256
Loc: USA
Nokian WR G2's are excellent tires. We have 40k and still another 10k-15k left on a V-rated 45 series tire on a 05 Subaru turbo wagon. Pretty much unheard of. They are decent in snow, incredible in wet/slush and okay on ice. Otherwise a decent quiet tire in the dry. The only issue is $$$$ due to limited folks who sell them. Shop around.
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#1687174 - 11/28/09 03:57 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: db500]
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 3372
Loc: Somewhere in the US
One of the issues with using snows all year is the risk of a tire failure.

Winter tires were designed to operate at cold temperatures. Heat is the tire killer.

Regular all season tires are S or T speed rated, while regular winter tires are Q speed rated - the lower speed ratinmg being a reflection of the ability of the tire to withstand the heat being generated.

No, it's not a good idea to use winter tires in the summer. The name ought to be a clue!
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#1687260 - 11/28/09 08:25 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: CapriRacer]
JustinH Offline


Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 5186
Loc: Texas
Here in Buffalo, plenty of people driving beaters leave snows tires on year round.

I see it all the time during the summer.

Also I see 2 snow tires in the front, and bald all seasons in the rear.

A girl at my work had snow tires year round on her escort for 3 years.
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#1687701 - 11/28/09 04:51 PM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: JustinH]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12653
Loc: NE,Ohio
you will have horrid squishy handling. less braking etc.


Just go with tirerack and order some steelie rims for 45$ each.

if you buy a combo they come roadforce balanced with free valve stems also.

also I wouldn't recommend a studdable snow tire unstudded.

they tend to perform poorly on ice.(not much better than all-season)

You would be better off with a studless snow tire, like the new continential extremewinter contact, michelin xice xi2 or the bridgestone Blizzack WS-60

on the plus side you would get 5 years of of them with seperate steel rims.

Another alternative is as mentioned getting a set of factory rims off craigslist


Edited by Rand (11/28/09 04:52 PM)
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#1687724 - 11/28/09 05:16 PM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: db500]
OilGuy2 Offline


Registered: 10/13/09
Posts: 82
Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: db500
Originally Posted By: rcy
Yes. The softer tread compound will wear away faster when it's hot out and also lead to 'squishy' handling of the vehicle.

Why don't you consider one of the newer 'all weather' tires, that can be left on all year, but also pass the tests required to get the 'mountain/snowflake' symbol on the sidewall.

The Nokian WRG2, Goodyear TripleTred, Yokohama W drive and Continental ExtremeContact DWS are the ones that I know of.


I've actually got goodyear triple treads on there now...they have about 30K on them...still good tread.


The Goodyear TripleTred's are a fine tire. If she has to go through the Adirondack's, Mountain and Snowflake rated tires have the edge on practicality but the best all-season's have a lot to offer too.

The Continental Extreme Contact DWS is an improved tire that was already best in its class for wintertime use. Worth a serious read at www.tirerack.com . Check out users comments on the TripleTred and the Extreme Contact DWS and you may find your wife's car model listed there.

The Continental warranty is excellent at 50,000 miles: high for an Ultra High Performance tire. The Conti's are a "true" radial with soft polyester sidewalls at 90 degrees to the direction of travel. Their sidewall compliance results in a very large footprint and contributes to the traction of the tire in snow conditions. You can run them at 50 psi (good to 51 psi) and they will not feel "hard". The two steel belts and two polymide belts keep the tread flat as a pancake. Very nicely designed tire going on Audi, Porsche, M-B.

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#1689237 - 11/30/09 05:47 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: OilGuy2]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 10029
Loc: ROCHESTER, NY
I know at least four people that leave snow tires on all year long with no complaint. These folks are not car nuts. They all want their vehicles to be their slaves, and not be slaves to their vehicles. They fix the vehicles when the vehicle needs repair and only do oil changes and nothing else. They all pile on the miles with few issues and if they get 150,000 plus miles with little maintenance(and money spent changing all other fluids) and then the vehicle dies, they get another vehicle.

My wife and I are good friends with another couple who run snows in the winter and all seasons in the summer but, the wife would rather keep the snows on all year and the husband refuses.

Also, while waiting for my vehicles state inspection, I recently talked to an elderly gentleman at my local Firestone Service Center who, at the sales rep's recomendation, runs snows all year long. Whan I asked him why, he told me that he had been coming to this Firestone Service Center for a long time and has gotten to know the sales rep quite well. The elderly gentleman asked the sales rep...

"If I were your grandfather, what tire would you recomend all year around for my Dodge MiniVan?"

The sales rep recomended Bridgstone Blizzak's. The elderly gentleman loves the tires.
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#1689414 - 11/30/09 11:10 AM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: Char Baby]
LS2JSTS Offline


Registered: 09/05/09
Posts: 3844
Loc: Motor City..What's Left
That Firestone store gets to sell Grandpa a LOT of tires that way.

A soft silica compound tire like the Blizzak wears out on the hot roads in Summer very quickly.


Edited by LS2JSTS (11/30/09 11:11 AM)

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#1689622 - 11/30/09 02:22 PM Re: Leave snows on all year? [Re: LS2JSTS]
rpn453 Offline


Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 4844
Loc: Saskatchewan
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
That Firestone store gets to sell Grandpa a LOT of tires that way.

A soft silica compound tire like the Blizzak wears out on the hot roads in Summer very quickly.


Not only that, but the Blizzak is the one tire that I know I wouldn't want to run in the summer for handling and performance reasons. The tread compound is optimized for cold weather and ice to a greater degree than most other winter tires. But he's probably a conservative driver and wouldn't notice, and they're probably much better than what he drove on in his younger days!
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