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#167052 - 12/15/05 04:48 PM What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
automated1 Offline


Registered: 02/21/05
Posts: 45
Loc: Houston,Pa
What Synthetic 5w-20 & 5w-30 has the highest moly content Im thinking of going to syn. in my new civic and I want a high moly oil. I am running exxon superflo 5w-20 right now but I would go to a 5w-30 syn. if i could find a high moly content oil.

Thanks alot in advance

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#167053 - 12/15/05 05:08 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
crew219 Offline


Registered: 09/28/05
Posts: 144
Loc: ITH NY
I'd say redline which I was considering for the same exact thing.

Dave

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#167054 - 12/15/05 05:45 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
boxcartommie22 Offline


Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 3073
Loc: moutain country
torco,motul,maxima and of course redline

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#167055 - 12/15/05 07:30 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
surfstar Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 5998
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
If you go with redline, run the 5w20 as their HTHS values are comparable to a 5w30 from other companies. I would feel comfortable going the extended OCI distance of new hondas on Redline. Plus with such a small sump and extended OCIs, it won't cost that much money for an oil change with great oil.

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#167056 - 12/15/05 07:48 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
crew219 Offline


Registered: 09/28/05
Posts: 144
Loc: ITH NY
quote:
torco,motul,maxima and of course redline
correct me if i'm wrong but i don't believe Motul has much moly at all as shown from UOAs.

Dave

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#167057 - 12/15/05 09:17 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
gogozy Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 711
Loc: GTA, Ontario, Canada
and there is always VSOT!!

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#167058 - 12/15/05 10:19 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
Ken2 Offline


Registered: 12/02/02
Posts: 6382
Loc: Washington St.
Don't worry about it. It is like asking which cake recipe has the most eggs. The total combination of base oil and additive package determines the quality of the oil. No one ingredient determines the quality nor the engine protection.

Buy the oil with the best results in used oil analyses and actual operating reports, the oil that suits your needs, and suits your budget.


Ken

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#167059 - 12/15/05 10:52 PM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
boxcartommie22 Offline


Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 3073
Loc: moutain country
motul has 9hundred plus

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#167060 - 12/16/05 12:34 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
crew219 Offline


Registered: 09/28/05
Posts: 144
Loc: ITH NY
quote:
motul has 9hundred plus
Looks like it's the 300v only . . . . the E-tech and etc don't have any moly or very low levels of moly.

Dave

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#167061 - 12/16/05 12:48 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
salesrep Offline


Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: lllinois
Ken2
quote:
Don't worry about it. It is like asking which cake recipe has the most eggs. The total combination of base oil and additive package determines the quality of the oil. No one ingredient determines the quality nor the engine protection.


Do not discount the quality of moly as well.

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#167062 - 12/16/05 01:02 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47280
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Moly is OK but mostly it's over hyped, over talked and over here.

Moly can be important, but more is NOT better.

There have been no solid statistical studies that say one motor oil is far superior than another oil, and certainly a block of oils considered contenders for this mythical prize contain no or very low amounts of moly.

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#167063 - 12/16/05 01:16 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
salesrep Offline


Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: lllinois
Pablo
quote:
Moly is OK but mostly it's over hyped, over talked and over here.

A quick review of the uoa section has moly in Schaeffers(of course), Mobil one, Chevron Delo,Mobil 5000, Havoline and Castrol. Over hyped? I think not.

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#167064 - 12/16/05 01:45 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47280
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Yes, over hyped Salesrep. Look at the original poster's request if you need an example. Please do a search for newbies jumping in here looking for oil with "lots of moly". On the street fringe, moly is over hyped, no doubt about it. Look at the name moly (in any form) on a whole bunch of lubrication products for further proof of the hype. Some don't even contain molybdenum!!

This is NOT a swipe at any of the fine products you list, but I very much think moly is over hyped as a cure all, end all in lubricants by certain individuals. (and I think it's pretty cool that Mobil, Chevron, Havoline contain Mo and don't hype it)

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#167065 - 12/16/05 02:03 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
Bryanccfshr Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 5727
Loc: Texas, Mentone for work, Galve...
I have to agreee that the formulation of the Moly that is added is more important than the volume. I think we are seeing more of it in oils now that the ZDP hase been cut back.
Once plated and there is enough in solution in the oil to maintain the plating what does this extra Moly do? Does it have significant anti-oxidant properties? What are the benefits of super high volumes of moly(above 300-400ppm)?? There are blenders doing this but at what point does the friction modification peak out? I look at the SM Dino oils using it and see it must help in passing the sequence test but what all is going on?

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#167066 - 12/16/05 02:51 AM Re: What Synt. Has the Highest Moly Content
Warstud Offline


Registered: 09/02/05
Posts: 5507
Loc: MIchigan
I agree with Pablo it is overhyped. More is not better and people using more VSOT than required are probably doing more harm to there engine than if they didn't use any at all. I think you must know how much additives are in your oil before you start adding more.

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