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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: rustypigeon] #1645599 10/25/09 06:18 PM
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ill look it up tomorrow to make sure, but it should be mazda long life green 0000-77-501E-02, which is a generic green coolant.


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: bdcardinal] #1645607 10/25/09 06:23 PM
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I am learning about this also, but at this point I wouldn't consider Mazda green coolant "generic" or traditional green coolant. I suspect is is non silicate and traditional green isn't.

Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: ledslinger] #1646738 10/26/09 03:21 PM
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according to the bottle of 0000-77-201E-02 "Genuine Mazda Long Life Coolant: it contains "Ethylene Glycol (107-21-1), Diethylene Glycol (111-46-6), Water (7732-18-5), Sodium Benozoate (532-32-1), Potassium Hydroxide (1310-58-3)"


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: bdcardinal] #1647064 10/26/09 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
ill look it up tomorrow to make sure, but it should be mazda long life green 0000-77-501E-02, which is a generic green coolant.


501E?

Is that a typo, or did you mean 507E?


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: rustypigeon] #1647197 10/26/09 08:40 PM
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no thats not a typo. 501e. i noticed i had a typo on my post above this one, it should be 501e as well.


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: bdcardinal] #1648902 10/27/09 11:39 PM
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Mazda automotive coolants are green but they have almost NOTHING in common with conventional North American green coolant. Prior to the 2005 model year, Mazdas were equipped with a first generation P-OAT (phosphated organic acid technology) coolant developed and manufactured by CCI, the leading Japanese coolant company. P-OAT coolants rely on a combination of phosphates and organic acids to prevent corrosion; they contain no silicates or borates. In the 2005 model year, Mazda started using a second generation P-OAT coolant which has a lower concentration of phosphates and an improved organic acid additive package. The other major Japanese auto manufacturers, namely Toyota, Honda, and Nissan all use essentially the same coolant technology.

The only aftermarket P-OAT coolants are Japanese OEM coolants from Mazda, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan, Zerex Asian Vehicle coolant, and Motorcraft Specialty Green Engine Coolant (which reportedly is identical to the second generation Mazda FL22 OEM P-OAT coolant). For the record, Ford started using Japanese P-OAT coolant technology in many of its 2009 models (those sharing engine technology with Mazda) instead of G-05. Ford evidently found the performance of Japanese P-OAT coolants was superior to G-05 in Mazda engineered engines.

Using conventional North American green coolant in a Mazda is a bad idea. Even German (BASF) coolant technology as embodied in G-05, which contains silicates and no phosphates, is a much better choice than conventional North American green for vehicles with aluminum blocks and aluminum radiators. But a genuine P-OAT coolant, particularly a second generation P-OAT coolant like Mazda FL22 or Motorcraft Specialty Green, is the best choice.

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I've never messed around with anything else but Mazda OEM FL22 for my RX8. It's not like you have to replace it often anyways.


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: hpichris] #1657451 11/04/09 01:23 AM
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What drain intervals are you doing/seeing of the FL22?

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My 04' Mazda6s seems to use a pink colored coolant, which I believe might be a Dexcool clone.


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: EricZoom] #1657745 11/04/09 11:40 AM
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that pink coolant is replaced by orange. i called mazda tech support about the pink coolant issue and he said it was originally orange from the factory but turned pink somehow, i didn't get it either.


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: bdcardinal] #1660213 11/06/09 01:33 AM
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I was surprised to learn that prior to the 2006 model year, North American Mazda6 vehicles were not equipped with a P-OAT coolant developed by CCI, the dominant Japanese coolant company. So I did some research. Unlike the Mazda3, Mazda MPV/5, Mazda MX-5 (Miata) Mazda RX-8, CX-7, and CX-9, the North American edition of the Mazda6 is built in Flat Rock MI by AutoAlliance International, a joint venture between Ford and Mazda that is operated by Ford.

Prior to 2009, Ford used G-05 coolant in Ford vehicles equipped with engines jointly developed with Mazda. On the other hand, Ford equipped Mazda6 vehicles prior to the 2006 model year with Motorcraft Specialty Orange Coolant (Dex-Cool). Since Mazda explicitly recommends against coolants containing silicates, Mazda North America evidently chose the only silicate-free coolant in the Motorcraft stable, Dex-Cool, in preference to G-05.

Meanwhile, Mazdas manufactured in Japan were equipped with Mazda-branded P-OAT coolants developed by CCI, Mazda Long Life Coolant (a first-generation P-OAT coolant) prior to 2005 and Mazda FL22 after 2005. FL22 is very similar to extended life coolants used in other Japanese vehicles. In 2006, Ford started equipping Mazda6 vehicles manufactured in North America with FL22, just like Mazdas manufactured in Japan. In 2009, Ford finally recognized the superiority of P-OAT coolants for Ford vehicles with Japanese engineered engines and introduced Motorcraft Specialty Green Coolant (reportedly identical to Mazda FL22) as factory fill in the Ford Edge, Flex, Fusion, Taurus, Mercury Milan, and Lincoln MKS, MKT and MKX vehicles.

It now looks like Ford Specialty Green Coolant may be the cost-effective alternative to Mazda FL22. Zerex Asian Vehicle Coolant is another option.

Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: ponderosaTX] #1660232 11/06/09 01:53 AM
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the ford stuff is FL-22, actually comes in a Mazda bottle. just like the Mazda parts that come in a motorcraft box with a mazda sticker over it. at least it did when we got a case when it first came out and tossed it in with the pallet of Mazda FL-22.


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: ponderosaTX] #1661266 11/06/09 06:41 PM
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I bought my 2005 Mazda 3 in early November 2004 it came with the Green coolant. In 2006 I went to the dealer to buy a jug for top offs and it looked red, I insisted on the green coolant because that is what the car came with. Here's a list of Mazda's that came with FL 22 http://www.finishlineperformance.com/pdf/miata/bulletin/01-033-07-1830b.pdf


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Re: Mazda green coolant? [Re: Dan55] #1663564 11/08/09 05:57 PM
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Both FL22 and Mazda Genuine Long Life Coolant (made by CCI) are green. My 2003 Mazda MPV came with green Long Life (non FL22) Coolant. I don't think it is easy to distinguish FL22 and Mazda Long Life Coolant on the basis of appearance; that is why Mazda mandates that dealers mark radiator caps with FL22 stickers when they change the coolant to FL22.

Mazda evidently distributes some Motorcraft coolants as well. Prior to the 2006 model year, Mazda6 vehicles manufactured in Michigan (at a plant jointly owned by Ford and operated by Ford) were reportedly filled with Dex-Cool (Motorcraft Specialty Orange Engine Coolant). On the other hand, Mazda vehicles manufactured in Japan have been filled with P-OAT coolants (Mazda Long Life and Mazda FL22) developed by CCI since the mid 90's.

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