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#1336669 - 01/09/09 07:30 PM 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 39891
Loc: New Jersey
Yet another... our 96 MB E300D. Ithas just under 200k at this change. Yes, we skipped a few UOAs in between.

Anyway, a bit disapointing... soot seems up and thus wear is up a bit too. No LC, #132 or similar used here. Apparently there was a fair amount of stop and go traffic driving on this interval... as well as winter driving. It still returns between 32-36 MPG, with a high of 38.

Anyway, here is current (left) as well as older ones to the right:

 Code:

 Sample Date	6/22/08	2/27/05	9/11/04
 Unit Age	199742m	157087m	149127m
 Comp Age	199742m	157087m	149127m
 Time on Oil	12824m	7960m	3867m
 Time on Fltr	12824m	7960m	3867m
 Oil Maint.	Changed	Changed	Changed
 Fltr Maint.	Changed	Changed	Changed
 Fluid	Mobil1 Truck&SUV (Delvac 1) 5w-40	Mobil1 Truck&SUV (Delvac 1) 5w-40	Mobil1 Truck&SUV (Delvac 1) 5w-40

      Fe	45	27	13
      Cr	3.4	1.4	1
      Ni	0.7	0.7	0.1
      Ti	0	0.2	0.1
      Ag	0	0	0
      Al	4.8	3.5	2.6
      Pb	0.5	1.1	0
      Cu	1.5	0.9	0.6
      Sn	0.4	1.2	0
      Si	6.8	6.3	5.8
      Na	1.3	1.1	1.5
       K	0	0	1.4
       B	40	44	36
      Ba	0	0	2.2
      Mo	2.2	2	2.4
      Mg	457	426	347
      Ca	2404	2264	2029
       P	1173	1185	973
      Zn	1308	1228	1073
       S	4158	3651	3417
      Cd	0	0	0
      Mn	0.3	0.3	0.2
       V	0	0	0
      Sb	0	0	1.1
 Soot(%)	0.5	0.3	0.2
 Oxid(PA)	63	80	70
 Nitr(PA)	91	40	25
 Sulf(PA)	56	0	0
 ZDDP	      -0.06	-0.06	0
 TBN	       8.23	10	10.2
 [email protected]°C	13.2	13.6	13.2
 White Metal	NONE	NONE	NONE
 Babbitt	NONE	NONE	NONE
 Precipitate	NONE	NONE	NONE
 Silt	        NONE	NONE	NONE
 Debris         NONE	NONE	NONE
 Dirt	        NONE	NONE	NONE
 Appearance	NORML	NORML	NORML
 Odor	        NORML	NORML	NORML
 H2O(Emul)	NEG	NEG	NEG
 H2O(Free)	NEG	NEG	NEG



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#1336683 - 01/09/09 07:39 PM Re: 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total [Re: JHZR2]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 5102
Loc: Airlie Beach Australia
Hi,
JHZR2 - This is an excellent report. The uptake rate for wear metals is outstanding, the TBN is great and viscosity has been consistent. IMO it is always a good idea to obtain a TAN for diesel engines

This lubricant will handle soot at a much greater level than most lubricants and in any engine family too

Your report is excellent and IMO the lubricant could have remained there much longer


Edited by Doug Hillary (01/09/09 07:40 PM)
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#1336685 - 01/09/09 07:41 PM Re: 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total [Re: Doug Hillary]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 39891
Loc: New Jersey
Thanks!

That is the goal... its more or less only a highway car, so Im hoping to do over a year, maybe 20k miles next...

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#1336710 - 01/09/09 08:07 PM Re: 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total [Re: JHZR2]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 5102
Loc: Airlie Beach Australia
Hi,
JHZR2 - The UOAs from my Porsche 32v V8 (M28 engine) were consistently indicating a two year OCI was quite feasible - almost regardless of the distance

The greatest distance I went in one OC1 (1 year) was around 13k miles - I calculated that the lubricant was capable of another period about the same before changing

This was consistent over many OCIs and is the same with my
Boxster

In my Series 60 Detroits in City work I could only get around 12 months (40kkms) due to soot contamination (4%)



Edited by Doug Hillary (01/09/09 08:17 PM)
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#1336811 - 01/09/09 09:48 PM Re: 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total [Re: Doug Hillary]
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Registered: 09/11/04
Posts: 949
Loc: Hermon, ME
Doug Hillary,

What did you use as a condemnation limit for TAN? I've heard it is a good rule of thumb to change out the oil when the TAN/TBN "equalize", (i.e, approach the same number), but would like to know what you used for limits.

Thanks in advance,

REDDOG
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#1336842 - 01/09/09 10:14 PM Re: 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total [Re: REDDOG]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 5102
Loc: Airlie Beach Australia
Hi,
REDDOG - The highest TAN (one truck) was 7 and it's lowest TBN (D4739) was 2

The average of all TANs was 6 and the lowest TBN was 3

Detroit Diesel's condemnation limits are 1 (D4739) or 1/3rd of new lubricant. No TAN is given. Delvac 1 5W-40 had a TBN of around 11

I used 1 as my "base line" TBN (and 8 for TAN) - however the limits for Soot or Iron were always reached first even when using a centrifuge cleaner

I always found that by getting both TAN and TBN I could detect some "irregularities" perhaps coming from the Labs I used (Mobil and Castrol)


Edited by Doug Hillary (01/09/09 10:16 PM)
Edit Reason: I wish I could spell
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#1336858 - 01/09/09 10:31 PM Re: 1996 MB E300D - M1 T&SUV 5w-40 12824mi; 199k total [Re: Doug Hillary]
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Registered: 09/11/04
Posts: 949
Loc: Hermon, ME
Thanks, Doug, I appreciate the information.


REDDOG
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