Using FF engine filter for trans.

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What if i´ve put a engine oilfilter in the cooler lines for my TF-46re?
The filter adaptors are easiy to find and accepts all kind´s
of connections to make a neat installation.
Just dont like the look of the flimsy filter inside the torqueflite, how efficient are these ones?
 
Lots do it that way. Some use hydraulic mounts since you can get finer media. Your internal filter is probably in the 100um range ..if that fine.

O ring art, if you will
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Think i´ll do it- wants an easy to change filter
and this one could easily be changed every OCI for the engine.
 
I don't think you would need to do it that often. It should last a long time. If you can get them cheap enough or your engine OCI is long enough, then I guess it wouldn't be too often.



How did this get in this thread?

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O ring art, if you will
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That was supposed to be in the used filter gasket thread..
 
I am also planning to do this with a remote mount for the standard Ford FL-1A filter size. Depending on size constraints I may use the larger can version.
 
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Also a nice place for a temperature sender.
God connection for a "driveway flush" also.
Next question is will it do any good??
How fine is a engine filter, 30um or?
How much flow is there compared to an engine?
 
The flow, although I've never measured it, is higher than an engine ..or most engines, anyway. At idle I'm probably doing 3+ gallons a minute ..while many engines may be doing 5 gpm at maximum (Euro's and some others will do more).

As far as benefit, YMMV.
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Good points about the ease of flush and other trans add ons.

I personally think any filtration has to be better than the in trans "filters". I'm pretty sure I can find an FL-1A/PH8 equivalent that will filter below 30um (Wix is 19 nominal). No idea about the flow rate or line pressure though.
 
I have thought that an Amsoil BP 80-A mount with the restrictor taken out....using the Cummins fullflow Amsoil Eao full flow filter will get you 30-50K with the transmission service.

Same idea as yours......better application for extended transmission vs. Engine oil filter specs. I have two set up in the garage, but have not installed them yet.
 
If you look into the big oil filter catalog at a Baldwin, or WIX, or NAPA seller, you will see some listed as hydraulic filters or hydraulic/lube filters. These will do a better job for the transmission. The thread, o-ring diameter, length, and can diameter will be listed, so you can find one that fits your needs.
 
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I have thought that an Amsoil BP 80-A mount with the restrictor taken out....using the Cummins fullflow Amsoil Eao full flow filter will get you 30-50K with the transmission service.


The only hole in that idea is that the 80-A only has 1/8npt threads. If you're willing to tap it out to something like 3/8" ..then I'd say it's not a bad idea. Otherwise, the BP80A, w/the restrictor, plumbed across the cooler circuit, works well.


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If you look into the big oil filter catalog at a Baldwin, or WIX, or NAPA seller, you will see some listed as hydraulic filters or hydraulic/lube filters. These will do a better job for the transmission. The thread, o-ring diameter, length, and can diameter will be listed, so you can find one that fits your needs.


Yes, hydraulic filters are finer, but we don't know his availability of the preferred mounts. We get them cheap here. There is a trans/hydraulic filter that does come in 3/4-16 thread.

Part Number: 51410
UPC Number: 765809514102
Principal Application: Ariens, Bolen, IHC, John Deere, Kohler, Toro
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Hydraulic Filter
Service: Hydraulic
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.790
Outer Diameter Top: 3.660
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: None
Beta Ratio: 2/20=17/41
Burst Pressure-PSI: 325
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 25

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.729 2.415 0.200

Part Number: 51622
UPC Number: 765809516229
Principal Application: Allison Transmissions, Cat, Clark, Ford Trucks, Other
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Transmission Filter
Service: Transmission
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 5.216
Outer Diameter Top: 3.691
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 7-9
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 500
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 28

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
15314 2.834 2.462 0.175

Part Number: 51269
UPC Number: 765809512696
Principal Application: Zinga Hydraulic Systems
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Hydraulic Filter
Service: Hydraulic
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.530
Outer Diameter Top: 2.966
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8
Beta Ratio: 2/20=5/17
Burst Pressure-PSI: 340
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 10

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.740 2.370 0.275

Xref'd from Donaldson's hydraulic applications

Part Number: 57181
UPC Number: 765809571815
Principal Application: Toyota, Komatsu Forklifts, Cummins 4B3.3 Diesel
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.529
Outer Diameter Top: 2.996
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 7-9
Nominal Micron Rating: 28

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.740 2.370 0.275

Part Number: 57691
Principal Application: Hyster Forklifts
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Transmission Filter
Service: Transmission
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 5.375
Outer Diameter: 3.670
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 20
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.825 2.480 0.250

Part Number: 51624
UPC Number: 765809516243
Principal Application: Hyster Equipment w/Mazda M4 121 Eng.
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Hydraulic Filter
Service: Transmission
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.354
Outer Diameter Top: 3.701
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 13-19
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 500
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 16

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

Qty Item Number Item Description Attribute Description Attribute Value


P171604

HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON

A - OD (Inches) 3.78
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4
C - Length (Inches) 5.86
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application EPPENSTEINER 7SL45K25


P550210

HYD/LUBE SPIN-ON MIN/12

A - OD (Inches) 3.88
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4-16
C - Length (Inches) 3.8
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.81
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.42
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC/LUBE SPIN-ON
Primary Application JOHN DEERE AM39653
Media Type Cellulose
Efficiency Beta 2 (Micron) 10
Efficiency Beta 20 (Micron) 25
Efficiency Beta 75 (Micron) 40


P550222

SPIN-ON HYDRAULIC FILTER/MEX

A - OD (Inches) 3.66
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4-16
C - Length (Inches) 5.37
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.81
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.42
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application GMC 25010543
Media Type Cellulose
Efficiency Beta 2 (Micron) 20
Efficiency Beta 20 (Micron) 35
Relief Valve Setting (PSI) 7-10
Anti Drain Valve (Y/N) Yes


P550426

HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON

A - OD (Inches) 2.99
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4-16
C - Length (Inches) 3.39
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.75
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.37
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application ZINGA BE10-18
Substitution similar to P550335 except
Substitution 2 .153 media, 18 psi byp., no
Substitution 3 anti drain valve


P550464

HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON

B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4-16
C - Length (Inches) 3.39
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.75
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.37
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application ZINGA BE10-0, GALBREATH 1674
Substitution SAME AS P550426 EXCEPT NO
Substitution 2 BYPASS VALVE


P550589

HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON

A - OD (Inches) 3.00
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4-16
C - Length (Inches) 3.53
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.74
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.37


P551327

HYD SPIN ON

A - OD (Inches) 3.82
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4-16
C - Length (Inches) 5.56
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.42
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.82
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application HYSTER
Media Type Cellulose
Efficiency Beta 2 (Micron) 20
Efficiency Beta 20 (Micron) 35
Efficiency Beta 75 (Micron) 40
Relief Valve Setting (PSI) 23
Anti Drain Valve (Y/N) Yes


P551758X

HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON

B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4 - 16
C - Length (Inches) 4.35
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.83
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.46
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application HYSTER 309112


P551758

HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON

A - OD (Inches) 3.70
B - Thread Size (Inches) 3/4 - 16
C - Length (mm) 4.35
D - Gasket OD (Inches) 2.83
E - Gasket ID (Inches) 2.46
Product Type Description HYDRAULIC SPIN-ON
Primary Application HYSTER 309112
 
Well part of the idea is to use the same type of filter that my Mopar 5.9 (360 magnum) uses and just by 2 ofém and change every OCI. Better filtration is also part of the plan but not going into the extreme. If just a engine filter would make things lets 50% better-fine, its cheap and easily done. Filter mounts of various types for the "Big Fram" (FL-1 maybe?) are cheap and i think the purolators i buy for my engine fits em.
 
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I have thought that an Amsoil BP 80-A mount with the restrictor taken out....using the Cummins fullflow Amsoil Eao full flow filter will get you 30-50K with the transmission service.

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The only hole in that idea is that the 80-A only has 1/8npt threads. If you're willing to tap it out to something like 3/8" ..then I'd say it's not a bad idea. Otherwise, the BP80A, w/the restrictor, plumbed across the cooler circuit, works well.
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Wondering what the flow difference would be? the oil going to the cooler is just a partial flow line. All this line does is go to the cooler?
 
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Wondering what the flow difference would be? the oil going to the cooler is just a partial flow line. All this line does is go to the cooler?


It's the most dynamic flow in the trans ..other than perhaps the relief circuit at higher speeds.

You're not going to move much through a .030 restrictor anyway ..the differential across the cooler is enough to drive the bypass.
 
He's in Sweden. Here you can get a hydraulic mount for $13+S&H. That and two hose barbs and some trans line from any autoparts store and you're in business.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Wondering what the flow difference would be? the oil going to the cooler is just a partial flow line. All this line does is go to the cooler?


It's the most dynamic flow in the trans ..other than perhaps the relief circuit at higher speeds.

You're not going to move much through a .030 restrictor anyway ..the differential across the cooler is enough to drive the bypass.


It would be without the restrictor. Pablo thinks the in and out to the filter head should be enlarged? I don't think the small difference would matter.
 
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Pablo thinks the in and out to the filter head should be enlarged?


I'm unsure of Pablo's opinion on it. I won't rig it as a full flow without tapping those ports a touch.
 
Your right...it was you:

The only hole in that idea is that the 80-A only has 1/8npt threads. If you're willing to tap it out to something like 3/8" ..then I'd say it's not a bad idea. Otherwise, the BP80A, w/the restrictor, plumbed across the cooler circuit, works well.

Just looked at the Amsoil Site Sponsor icon. MeBad.
 
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