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TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF #1298781 12/01/08 09:05 PM
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Does anyone know where to buy this stuff in the Chicago area. I know AV lube sells it, but their price seems real high...

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Re: TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF [Re: Chromer] #1303974 12/07/08 08:03 AM
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The price of TES-295 fluids is going to be high. That is because the ATF must pass extremely difficult tests and be made of very high quality basestocks and contain a special additive package.


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Re: TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF [Re: artificialist] #1304128 12/07/08 12:28 PM
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That's the spec for Allison's "Transynd" fluid. I guess it's some good stuff- Allison will give extended warranty in some very tough applications if their customers use this fluid. It's also among the most expensive ATF's that I've seen... makes Amsoil look cheap.

One thing that I've noticed is that as Transynd ages, it tends to fade from red to yellow. I've got a pretty good stockpile of it, and I'll probably run it in the wife's '01 Lumina. Don't know when I'll get around to it, but I have several gallons of the stuff... I'll probably do one of those bucket flushes (which I've railed against in the past, but people here have convinced me that my concerns were unfounded).

Re: TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF [Re: onion] #1304149 12/07/08 12:48 PM
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Amsoil makes an equivalent to the Transynd that is a lot less expensive.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atd.aspx

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 Originally Posted By: Johnny
Amsoil makes an equivalent to the Transynd that is a lot less expensive.


FWIW, Schaeffer's 204S All Trans is less expensive than Amsoil...


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Re: TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF [Re: BoiseRob] #1304292 12/07/08 03:44 PM
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I don't know about Schaeffer's, but Amsoil's 'torque drive' fluid doesn't meet Allison's TES-295 spec.

Not that that's any surprise. You'd be taking Amsoil's word that it's "equivalent". Just like their regular ATF is "equivalent" to multiple (and contradictory) specifications.

Re: TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF [Re: onion] #1304498 12/07/08 08:19 PM
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...but Amsoil's 'torque drive' fluid doesn't meet Allison's TES-295 spec.


Which part or subparagrapgh of the TES-295 spec doesn't it meet?


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Re: TES-295 Mobil Delvac 1 ATF [Re: MolaKule] #1304533 12/07/08 08:48 PM
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I think a more pertinent question is what proof is there that is DOES meet the spec? In this case, Amsoil's fluid isn't licensed. Others are. So you can buy licensed products that have been proven to meet the spec... or you can take Amsoil's word that their torque-drive fluid is pretty much the same as TES-295.

And considering that Amsoil's ATF can't POSSIBLY meet all the specs that it's 'reccommended' for... I seriously doubt that torque-drive meets TES-295.

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A fair enough question, if you hadn't already declared it to be non-compliant.


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It isn't licensed. Therefore I have no reason to believe that it IS compliant.

But take Amsoil's word for it if you want. Lots of people use the stuff with good results. Same could be said of Super Tech ATF, though.

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"Transynd" is BP's trademarked name for their Castrol-brand TES-295 fluid. ExxonMobil also has a licensed TES-295 product. Others are probably re-labeled BP or ExxonMobil fluid.

Here's a list of licensed fluids:
http://www.allisontransmission.com/service/autoapp/172/viewpage.jsp?ThisPage=3




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TES-295 fluids go through a rigorous and complete testing and approval cycle by Allison; we can all agree upon that. The "need" for TES-295 fluids is debateable. TES-295 fluids are "required" if you're in an extended service contract with Allison. Use of a TES-295 licensed fluid is a requirement to meet the contract obligations.

Short of that, there are other products that offer the performance of TES-295 fluids, but without the added cost associated with the licensing. TorqueDrive, 204S-AT, and AutoTrans-5 all come to mind. For most people that want great performance, but don't "need" to fulfill the "requirement" of a licensed TES-295 fluid, the clones work well and offer a large fiscal savings.

Sure, the clones are not licensed, but that doesn't mean they are inferior; they are just not licensed. Amsoil engine oils are not licensed by the API as far as I know, but their products do very well when used as directed. Licensing is a good thing when you need to be able to prove something under contract. But if not, it's an added expense you can avoid and still get similar, if not the same, performance.

To the OP, Chromer, you have a choice to make. Do you "need" TES-295 fluids, or do you just "want" them? You have some good choices for both licensed and non-licensed fluids. As far as availability, I think you'll find better selection with the clones; TorqueDrive, 204S-AT, are available from supporting vendors here at BITOG. They can be shipped to your door, and for a very fair price.

(BTW - are you the same Chromer from over at DP? Welcome! to BITOG! Assuming this product is for your Dmax/Allison combo, I would suggest the clones over the licensed fluids. Great performance, better price.)

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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
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First, according to Schaeffers specs, the 204s will not work it's only good for the c4 spec. The Amsoil Torque Drive was a complet copy of the Allison chemistry of the Trans Synd.

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 Originally Posted By: jerre310
First, according to Schaeffers specs, the 204s will not work it's only good for the c4 spec. The Amsoil Torque Drive was a complet copy of the Allison chemistry of the Trans Synd.

A copy of tran-synd, but with G-IV basestocks and zero VII instead of G-III basestocks and some VII.


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 Originally Posted By: jerre310
First, according to Schaeffers specs, the 204s will not work it's only good for the c4 spec.


Perhaps you got ahold of the wrong TDS (Technical Data Sheet)? The 204SAT is called out by Schaeffer for TES-295 service. However, the TDS linked directly from their ATF page is not the 204SAT.


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