Is there a summary of them anywhere? I was in Waldo Mart today and saw I think Motorcraft Syn blend for like $2.96 a quart- should I be using that in a 5000k mile oil change on an 04 Highlander? versus dino oil?
How can syn blend be so cheap?
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Blends can be low cost because most OTC blends contain very little if any Group IV or V base oil.
That oil would do OK in 5K in a Highlander, but may be fairly spent at that point. Look for UOA's.
That oil would do OK in 5K in a Highlander, but may be fairly spent at that point. Look for UOA's.
All of the Conoco_phillips syn blends: motorcraft, trop arctic, kendall, 76 are blended using ~50% group III syntheic base oils. Group III is a highly refined dino oil, that is hydroprocessed to a higher degree than regular grp II base oils. They have a supplier from Korea that produces the Grp III base oils for them very inexpensively. The CP syn blends have better cold flow and oxidation properties, but contain a standard additive package. They are a great value, but here is them kicker: CP is jointly controlled by the Venezuelan gov't...
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HAlf the world hates us - (now)
The Venezuelan people do not hate us.
You're thinking of Citgo=Venezula, not Conoco Phillips.
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That Motorcraft used to be under $2 not long ago.
It is very good oil, and I use it myself.
It is very good oil, and I use it myself.
BTW, buying a 5 qt jug is more economical than single qts.
50% Grp III!!! That would be news to me (and probably many others). What is your source of the 50% figure? My guess is that it's more like a splash of Grp III (thus the negligible cost increase) vs "conventional" oil marketed by other companies that also contain severely hydroprocessed dino oil.
most are correct, the blend usually has 10% synth oil, very few have any more than that. schaeffers is the only oil that is a blend that uses 25% synth oil. the blends are a good alternative to a full synth as far as I'm concerned.
that is one reason they are cheap as you say. as for political reasons, I wouldn't even consider it as a factor. most oils are made here in the states.
that is one reason they are cheap as you say. as for political reasons, I wouldn't even consider it as a factor. most oils are made here in the states.
I just picked up a few quarts of Kendall GT-1 for 1.49 per quart.
Its a no brainer at that pricepoint. They had a 30 cent off per quart rebate making it 1.19 per quart.
Its a no brainer at that pricepoint. They had a 30 cent off per quart rebate making it 1.19 per quart.
hey man, i see it says your in Buffalo... please tell me where you bought that Kendall oil. i like to buy my oil in Buffalo, since its nice and close for me across the Canadian border. i'm in Florida now, but i'll be flying back to Buffalo on Sunday and driving back across the border. please let me know where to pick up some Kendall oil before then. thanks!
I work in the industry, and I do have access to most of the larger oil companies recipes for blending, including base oils and additive packages. CP gets grp III at or below the cost of locally blended grp II bases from their Korea enterprise. Their blends are at a minimum of 50% grp III, to a max of 70%.They are free with this info. Call the CP tech line, and specifically ask for Rex. He is a fluids engineer that I have business contacts with and he will verify. But I wouldn't get too excited about the grp III component, because the additive pack is a standard SM/GF4 add pack. So their ant-wear and friction reduction, and other characteristics is equivalent to any other quality conventional oil. Unlike Durablend or Syntec, which have advanced packages for additional protection, the CP line is made to primarily pass spec. The grp III component does aid in cold flow, so that PP depressants can be minimized and in oxidation properties.
If Conoco products are 50% Group III than they are a great buy indeed. I don't know anything about Korean Group III. I wouldn't doubt it. If Conoco is using Korean oil I bet some others are too. I remember hearing something about Pennzoil and Conoco having a joint hydrocracking facility somewhere in the South.
WPP supertech synthetic uses the CP stuff for their formulation also. I cant say that they use it exclusively though because they have a long term contract with Motiva. The joint facility you are referring to is the Excels plant in Louisiana. I dont know the exact details,, but prior to GF4, pennzoil and CP were contracting this plant for grp II base oils. I dont know if they still are. By the way, the lead formulation consultant for CP was instrumental in developing the processes for PAO. As a side note, IMHO, I like the performance of Grp III sythetics over PAO sythetics. From what I have seen, the grp III syns of the major blenders seem to have stronger add packs, thus lower wear. The PAO's only shine in extremes, and most passenger cars and light trucks rarely see this type of service.
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