the future..... Black boxes in every car.

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This has me so [censored] I can't even comment about this....

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-roads-black-boxes-20131027,0,6090226.story#axzz2j0Ea0kYr

Flame away....
 
Won't read MSM.

But I'm looking for a dash camera to protect myself against roving MC gangs. Remind me again how many you're allowed to run over in self-defense?
 
WOW...I'm speechless, probably not even Iran or North Korea have such laws so this makes you wonder what did the flagship country of freedom and democracy came to...
 
Frankly I'd prefer it. I should not be penalized in road taxes just because I choose to drive a vehicle that drinks a lot of fuel. In the same way, people who drive Priuses are not paying their fair share. Electric cars are just plain thieves unless they pay their road taxes separate. There is already a pilot program here in Oregon for this...

I'm sure people will freak out about being "watched", but your car is already watching you. My 04 will record things like speed, brakes, throttle position, seat belts, etc, which can be retrieved in the event of a crash. I imagine a '14 model is even more advanced.
 
Well, you know, a vehicle that needs more fuel to push more wind aside pushes more torque through its heavier tires and does more damage to the road.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Well, you know, a vehicle that needs more fuel to push more wind aside pushes more torque through its heavier tires and does more damage to the road.


Yes, but it is in no way proportional. If my truck had a gas motor it would get 10mpg. It could get over 20mpg with it's diesel motor. Does the same amount of road damage either way. See the problem?

And what about electric cars and plug in hybrids? Isn't that cheating the current system?
 
Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Well, you know, a vehicle that needs more fuel to push more wind aside pushes more torque through its heavier tires and does more damage to the road.


Yes, but it is in no way proportional. If my truck had a gas motor it would get 10mpg. It could get over 20mpg with it's diesel motor. Does the same amount of road damage either way. See the problem?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AASHO_Road_Test

Check out the part about the axle damage to the 4th power of their weight.

Prius: 3000 lb curb weight
F250: 6000 lb curb weight

Since the F250 does the damage of 16 priusses but uses the fuel of three or four, there is indeed a problem. Maybe this black box isn't so bad...
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino

Check out the part about the axle damage to the 4th power of their weight.

Prius: 3000 lb curb weight
F250: 6000 lb curb weight

Since the F250 does the damage of 16 priusses but uses the fuel of three or four, there is indeed a problem. Maybe this black box isn't so bad...


Except the numbers for both are probably within the noise when it comes to damage to the road compared to an 80,000 lb truck.

I'm sure when it comes to road damage, that done by an F250 or a Prius is just about nil, whether the F250 does 16x more damage or not.
 
Good point. But don't those tractors pay extra already in extra taxes/registration?

Costs money to keep roads open and paved, and to add more pavement when congestion rises.
 
If they want to tax on miles driven, that's fine. However, there's no way in [censored] they should be doing it via black box. For states with emissions and/or safety inspections, they can check mileage when a vehicle comes in for inspection, and maybe have service shops report mileage, etc.
 
And how will we socialize this??? A vary large, uppwards of 40%+ of the populus receive some sort of "entitlement." Certainly they can't be expected to pay in this manner.
 
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
If they want to tax on miles driven, that's fine. However, there's no way in [censored] they should be doing it via black box. For states with emissions and/or safety inspections, they can check mileage when a vehicle comes in for inspection, and maybe have service shops report mileage, etc.


Problem is, that is worse than the gas tax. What if you drive most of your miles not in your home state? I'm guessing each state has different needs in terms of road upkeep costs.

I agree, this is a simple answer to the problem--just pull from the odometer. I'm just not sure it's actually better than a gas tax.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: eljefino

Check out the part about the axle damage to the 4th power of their weight.

Prius: 3000 lb curb weight
F250: 6000 lb curb weight

Since the F250 does the damage of 16 priusses but uses the fuel of three or four, there is indeed a problem. Maybe this black box isn't so bad...


Except the numbers for both are probably within the noise when it comes to damage to the road compared to an 80,000 lb truck.

I'm sure when it comes to road damage, that done by an F250 or a Prius is just about nil, whether the F250 does 16x more damage or not.


Righto, which is why the transport lobby never brings up scientific numbers on road damage when they moan about their $5k/ year registrations.

Maine and Vermont had a "pilot program" a couple years back about letting 100k lb trucks on interstates instead of 80k. The results of that program were buried or "inconclusive", so IMO it was just a free pass to overload for a couple years from a couple well-connected senators.
 
Originally Posted By: Number21
I should not be penalized in road taxes just because I choose to drive a vehicle that drinks a lot of fuel. In the same way, people who drive Priuses are not paying their fair share.


Agreed (though I hate black box proposal). I'm praying for the day that we apply this logic applied to schools and other government services.
 
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And to think years ago tax revolts in Europe were started because citizens had to pay 20% of their entire income to a government. As to the whole black box thing, motorized bicycles will start to look very appealing.
 
Originally Posted By: double vanos
I don't believe for one second that all that money will go to road repairs. It'll go everywhere but there!


Bingo. Just like here in California where we have the highest gas tax and the worst roads.
 
Originally Posted By: double vanos
I don't believe for one second that all that money will go to road repairs. It'll go everywhere but there!


Exactly , it will just be another cash grab to be used in any way they want .
 
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