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I have learned more about oil over the past month than I ever have before...I ave always been an oil fanatic but I finally took the time to join & read the BITOG oil forums.

Some of what I previously believed to be true is confirmed, and some of it is having to be re-learned.

Anyway, I am not sure if you have me confused with someone else, but I have never used Amsoil. I know people who have, and it is a good oil, but harder to obtain and pricey; pus, Amsoil buys the base oil from Exxon/Mobil anyway. I have 2 Jeeps, a ZJ & WJ...

In my ZJ, I have used Mobil-1 (silver cap) since it had 65k on it and changed it every 3-4k. At 150k, I began using the Mobil-1 HM formula. The Jeep has 178k on it now and still runs strong. However, it is not a DD anymore and will probably not see more than 2k per year. I do not like the fact that the Mobil-1 has always burned off more than it should between oil change intervals. That fact combined with the fact it will be sitting and I will be changing the oil every 6 months, plus ALL THE INFO I have gotten from my own research has compelled me to switch it to Castrol GTX HM formula. I have learned so much and it is hard to take it all in or accept some of it even though there is scientific proof.

Basically, in an engine with no defects, you get no gain from synthetic oil unless you live where it is super cold all the time, operate in extreme use (like cabs do), have a turbo charged, super-charged, racing motor, are required to run synthetic for warranty (like porsche, corvette, etc.), or finally, (& MAIN REASON), IF YOU WISH TO GO AN EXTENDED OCI (oil change interval).

Apparently, 5k OCI is the new 3k OCI since conventional oils have gotten better and cars & trucks are designed better. My definition of an "extended OCI" has always been 5k, but apparently anything over 7500k is the real definition in today's market. I have seen scientific proof that name-brand "dino" oils can last 8k intervals as well as a decent oil filter. Now that doesn't mean I am gonna run out on my 178k vehicle and up the interval because it is a non-DD and has high miles. But I am at least going to try a dino oil in it for price and because it has always used a little oil with Mobil-1 and many others on low mileage cars have reported the same problem with ONLY Mobil-1.

You can switch to synthetic anytime or any mileage as long as you have no existing leaks. In my ZJ it currently has Mobil-1 HM formula 10w30 in the crankcase (bt will be trying another oil soon), and my WJ (73k on the odometer) has Trop-artic 10w30 syn-blend and I have been changing it every 4k.

I plan to go ahead and up my OCI interval on my WJ to 5k but will leave my ZJ to 3k, or 1-2 times per year (which ever comes 1st).

I have learned that the best synthetic oil for the money at Wal-Mart is the 5-gallon jug of Pennzoil Platinum!!! It is supposed to be better than Castrol Syntec and as good or better than Mobil-1.

If I was gonna stick to full-synthetic oil in the WJ you buy, I'd run PP (Pennzoil Platinum) every 5-6k as long as it doesn't use oil or have super high miles.

The guys on Bob IS The Oil Guy (BITOG) say that really there is no need to run synthetic in the average DD car unless you want to go 8-12k intervals and there are used oil analysis that prove it.

It is not in my genetic makeup to go that long so I will stick to 3-6k depending on the vehicle, oil, etc...but as outlined above, there are reasons to run synthetic in some cars; if nothing else, it gives you piece of mind which is why I ran it in my ZJ all these years.

In my g/f new car I am gonna run PP every 6k...it is a high-performance engine. If you stick to Amsoil or MOBIL-1, you can't go wrong, but I have my reasons why I am not.

I hope this helps you but if you are a synthetic guy, then if it wee me, I'd try PP (if nothing else for the money), and do it at whatever interval gives you piece of mind. Just be sure to use a Mobil-1 or WIX filter because they seem to be some of the best easy-to-find brands.
 
The only comment I have is this... Just because another oil company like Amsoil uses a Base-Stock from Mobil doesn't mean that the oils are the same or close to the same... Base oils aren't even close to being everything in an oil. It's the additive pack that counts...

Good Learning...
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
The only comment I have is this... Just because another oil company like Amsoil uses a Base-Stock from Mobil doesn't mean that the oils are the same or close to the same... Base oils aren't even close to being everything in an oil. It's the additive pack that counts...

Good Learning...
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Yeah I know, but seeing that Mobil-1 is a good oil, I can't say Amsoil is sooooo much better that it justifies the price or availability unless you really are gonna run it 20k or whatever Amsoil says it can go. I have no doubt that the additive pkg is better. I just did not want to write a paper on oil and threw that in for him to know.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Cliff notes please.
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LOL...I know I tend to get wordy...but have been talking oil on the Jeep forums forever...I figured the first person to so much as mention it to me would get the low down...

The guy was asking me about a used Jeep he was going to buy and switching it form dino to Amsoil or Mobil-1 and if it was safe. He thought for some reason that I used Amsoil in my vehicles so he sent me a PM
 
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
No mention of UOAs?


Naaaahhh I have yet to do that myself and I did not want to get too technical on him. I hinted at them though as part of my scinetific evidence
 
What does your gf drive? I am running PP 5w20 out to 6000 in my 08 Focus then I am gonna use Amsoil XL 5w20 ang run out to 7500! I think the longest oci I have ever done was 5000. Oh, and I like long posts. No problem being windy here!
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One of the great things about this site is the ability to clear up many misconceptions about motor oil. BITOGERS as a whole tend to get their money's worth and this is also better for the environment.
 
In my personal opinion the Pennzoil Platinum and others including the Amsoil XL's are not true synthetics.
 
Originally Posted By: jerre310
In my personal opinion the Pennzoil Platinum and others including the Amsoil XL's are not true synthetics.


That's an opinion of course. All depends on how you define synthetics I suppose. That being said, GroupIII oils like PP and XL are great oils. Maybe not for extended drains (past 10k miles) but under 10K they are simply great oils for the price. The *only* reason to use more expensive synthetics is for extended oci's.
 
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The *only* reason to use more expensive synthetics is for extended oci's.


...or for true severity of service on either end of the spectrum. I guess that you could also call that (somewhat) extended service, since many oils will endure stress over shorter durations.
 
Originally Posted By: Camu Mahubah
What does your gf drive? I am running PP 5w20 out to 6000 in my 08 Focus then I am gonna use Amsoil XL 5w20 ang run out to 7500! I think the longest oci I have ever done was 5000. Oh, and I like long posts. No problem being windy here!
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One of the great things about this site is the ability to clear up many misconceptions about motor oil. BITOGERS as a whole tend to get their money's worth and this is also better for the environment.


She has an '08 G6 GXP 3.6VVT
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I hope you clearly wrote this is your opinion and you really aren't basing this on hard proven facts. Or truth and data that you actually possess.


If this is in reference to my post, yes, statement based on *my* only reason for my car type/use. I'm sure there are many severe service situations where a better synthetic would be the right choice as Gary stated.
 
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I hope you clearly wrote this is your opinion and you really aren't basing this on hard proven facts. Or truth and data that you actually possess.


If this is in reference to my post, yes, statement based on *my* only reason for my car type/use. I'm sure there are many severe service situations where a better synthetic would be the right choice as Gary stated.


I was not replying to you. Look at the Re:
 
Anything over 7500 is considered synthetic territory? Wow, I didn't know that.

I've always considered conventional to be just fine for intervals up to 10k.

Plus, I've found 7500 to be a relatively short interval.
 
yeah the guy knows it is opinion...but I really dig this site because although I have known about it since 2003, I finanlly joined and started reading it. On the other forum, oil comes up quite often and of course turns into a debate. there are some over there who also belong to here, but the information you get is not as good as here since this forum is totally dedicated to lubricants.

Since I have a history of being one to start or chime into many of the oil threads over there, I get a alot of questions. It is a given that my answers are opinions since I am not an engineer for a petroleum company; but I am college educated and have the power of reason and a thirst for knowledge.

I have been a synthetic fanatic but I LOVE the fact that this site can be honest with me that a quality dino changed more often is just as good...I have used synthetic for piece of mind but it is nice to have a sense of relief that I do not HAVE to use it; it is more of a piece of mind thing...until I found this site, I felt guilty for not using Mobil-1 in everything I have ever owned LOL.

Cost & value for the dollar are a HUGE factor for me now whereas when I was younger (and had less debt)it did not matter as much; I was willing to use synthetic everything LOL. But now, I am chaep and I like deals...

It is refreshing to see so many people on here who take cost into account as a MAJOR factor and try to get the best oil for the money & not just the best oil...If I was rich, I'd have Amsoil in everything and chnage it half as often as recommended...but in the real world, I am seeing that others who deeply care about their cars still use Wal-mart dino and are fine with it. I love the fact that PP is cheaper than its competitors and apparently a better oil. If I was gonna stick to synthetic, I'd probably run PP in both my cars...but since dino or blend is so much better than I thought it was, I might not be able to justify the price unless I was willing to push the envelope of OCI...I get Trop-artic blend for 2 bucks a QT and if I can push it to 5k easily then that is pretty acceptable to me...

And my non-DD, since I am gonna change the oil before it even gets close to 3k...I may as well use dino or blend over Mobil-1 since Mobil-1 burns off anyway more than other oils seem to....

I have always been obsessed with oil to the point where I had to just pick the best readily available synthetic and be done with it; otherwise I'd be in a mental institution...So for the last 8 yrs I figured Mobil-1 every 3k was fine for my level of sickness...It has treated the Jeep well...I just wish I had not used a K&N for so many years until I saw the light on that. But I have switched to paper and I am finally okay with experimenting again with oil rather than being scared into using only Mobil-1 every 3k for piece of mind...

I am going to experiment and have fun with it (choosing an oil) now rather than worry & obsess over it like I have always done in the past...Some of the best mechanics I know do whatever dino is on sale with a WIX filter every 5-6k in their own cars...they said if you use Wal-mart dino & even a Fram filter and do it every 3k the motor would outlast the car 2-3 times over...maintenance is the key...

Not saying I'd run supertech dino every 7500k in a brand new Vette LOL...then my analness would definitely kick back in...but I am cheap now and happy that cheap doesn't have to be bad based on so many on here who have UOA on dino and many of the smart guys on here that use freaking house-brand supertech and are okay with it....

I just need to decide on what concrete intervals I want to go after I do some experimentation, and if I do want to switch to PP in mt DD after I use up the 2 cases of Trop-artic blend I have or continue using "cheap" oil and feeling good about the deal I got and comfortable with an interval to use.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Anything over 7500 is considered synthetic territory? Wow, I didn't know that.

I've always considered conventional to be just fine for intervals up to 10k.

Plus, I've found 7500 to be a relatively short interval.


Errr....isn't that kinda a loaded disposition?

Outside of a Honda ..or a few using GM OLM ..just what engines/chassis spec over 7500 ..how many over 5000 ..conventional or otherwise
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You must be doing morning calisthenics ..lots of stretching involved.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Anything over 7500 is considered synthetic territory? Wow, I didn't know that.

I've always considered conventional to be just fine for intervals up to 10k.

Plus, I've found 7500 to be a relatively short interval.


Errr....isn't that kinda a loaded disposition?

Outside of a Honda ..or a few using GM OLM ..just what engines/chassis spec over 7500 ..how many over 5000 ..conventional or otherwise
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You must be doing morning calisthenics ..lots of stretching involved.
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Ford is at 7500 miles.

If you take, Honda, GM and Ford vehicles and combine them together, that's a large portion of the market.
 
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