Pennzoil Ultra 5w20, 11623 Mi., '09 Fit Sport 1.5l

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This is my mother's car and she does not drive particularly hard; very little serious acceleration and certainly no speeding. The bulk of her driving is to and from work which is ~20 miles of mostly highway cruising each way. I drive the car on occasion and work it harder, but that accounts for a small fraction of total use.

OLM: 5% remaining
Air Filter: OEM Original
Oil Filter: Mobil 1 M1-110
Previous oils (old to new): Factory Fill, Mobil 1 0w20

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Thanks for posting, Gib. As I just posted the FF on our 2011 Accord V6, I am very interested in that comparison plus your progression through two different oils that are on my potential use list. My test was also conducted at Blackstone so presumably the methodology and equipment is the same. You ran your 4cyl FF 10,000 miles while I went 6,300 in the V6.

On wear metals, my results were about double for AL, FE and Si, but over 10x CU (!) at 258ppm. Regarding add-pack, my FF had only 60% of the moly (358 v. 600), 76% of Zinc, 94% of Phos, 83% of Ca, 85% of boron, but double the Magnesium.

Properties were pretty close. My viscosity was tenths lower on both tests. My FP was lower at 350 v. 370. TBNs were close at 2.2 v. 2.0.

I'd be interested in others conclusions of this comparison but it appears to me that since 2009, Honda has weakened it's add pack, perhaps relying on the extra shot of Magnesium to keep thing clean, while lowering expensive wear additives across the board. I don't think there's any question that this VCM V6 is harder on oil that the four, and I'm especially curious as to where all my copper is coming from and if there is anything I can do about it via additives.

I am also interested in everyone's interpretation of the performance of PU v. M1 but it looks to me like both oils handled your extended OCI with ease. Are you sticking with PU?
 
Nice report. Most impressive is zero make-up oil for this interval.

I bet your mom gets tired of the car before it gives up on her.

Thanks for posting.
 
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I've been considering using either Ultra 5W-20 or Mobil 0W-20 and they both did great on this car. Was this Ultra SN?
 
Excellent report. Honda did a good job with this 1.5L engine.

12,000 mile OCIs sound good. Run the OLM to 0% or a bit into the negatives to squeeze out a little more use outta the oil.
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Thanks for posting.
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
Looks very good to me. I would continue with this OCI. Time for a new air filter purely due to mileage, not the UOA.

Yep, I changed the air filter when I did the oil. Somewhere along the line a moth had been sucked in and was stuck on the filter element. Poor bastard. heh

Originally Posted By: sir1900
What oil and filter are you using now?

I'm sticking with Pennzoil Ultra, though I added some LubroMoly MoS2 for kicks. Filter is now a PL14459. Three of the four cars we have use those, so it's convenient to buy a pile of them.

Originally Posted By: Capa
Was this Ultra SN?

Yes, this was SN.

Originally Posted By: Artem
Run the OLM to 0% or a bit into the negatives to squeeze out a little more use outta the oil.
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That's exactly what I plan to do! heh
The oil could probably do 15k without issue, but I want to basically stick to the OLM.
 
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Thanks for posting, Gib.
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Are you sticking with PU?

I saw the UOA you posted for your Accord. The copper is surprising, but everything else looks right. I wouldn't worry about it at this point. Another UOA or two will establish some trending and be more informative.

As for the factory fill oils, the add-pack has definitely changed, but it's possible the base oil changed as well. A superior base oil can reduce the need for fancy additives. It's a possibility, anyway. I don't think Honda would factory fill with junk.

I am indeed sticking with Ultra. I like Mobil 1 oils and have used a variety of them in different cars with great results. In this car, following the OLM, M1 0w20 and PU 5w20 are essentially identical. However, for whatever reason, I just seem to prefer Pennzoil. I like 0w oils very much but I dislike buying oil in individual quarts even more. I'll continue with the 5w20 and hope that, some day, there will be Ultra 0w20 in a jug.
 
Thanks , we have an '11 Fit and drive it fairly light . Now using the new SN 0w-20 from Honda ( CoP ) . Might do an analysis sometime next year . Your report gives confidence with the FIT . Has been a gem so far , compared to the '08 YARIS sedan and previous YARIS .
 
Keep entry of contaminants down, good air/oil filter + other maintenance and this oil/app combo can go 12,000 on PU SN flavor. Do this same setup again and sample at 12,000 but keep it in the sump next time until the results come back.

Thank you for posting!
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^Wow, just caught that, 1 year or 15,000 sounds probably well within reason, just monitor things if the driving conditions were to be more of the short trip variety.
 
Originally Posted By: odie
Thanks , we have an '11 Fit and drive it fairly light . Now using the new SN 0w-20 from Honda ( CoP ) . Might do an analysis sometime next year . Your report gives confidence with the FIT . Has been a gem so far , compared to the '08 YARIS sedan and previous YARIS .

Odie, I for one would be interested in a UOA on this oil as it is what I replaced the FF with in my V6 Accord. Although judging by these excellent results with very extended intervals, I may be changing mine first LOL.
 
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The 5w20 seemed to shear a bit less than the 0w20 as evidenced by the higher cSt. The engine didn't seem to mind either way, though.
 
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Originally Posted By: odie
Thanks , we have an '11 Fit and drive it fairly light . Now using the new SN 0w-20 from Honda ( CoP ) . Might do an analysis sometime next year . Your report gives confidence with the FIT . Has been a gem so far , compared to the '08 YARIS sedan and previous YARIS .

Odie, I for one would be interested in a UOA on this oil as it is what I replaced the FF with in my V6 Accord. Although judging by these excellent results with very extended intervals, I may be changing mine first LOL.
I'm in no hurry to do an oil change ( old
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bones ) . You can have first dibs . Or maybe flip yeh for it using a oil bottle cap
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