When you state that your filters meet or exceed OEM requirements, please ensure they perform for OEM recommended service intervals without tearing and/or falling apart.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted By: AHC
When you state that your filters meet or exceed OEM requirements, please ensure they perform for OEM recommended service intervals without tearing and/or falling apart.
Thank you.
Whom are you expecting to read this?
When you state that your filters meet or exceed OEM requirements, please ensure they perform for OEM recommended service intervals without tearing and/or falling apart.
Thank you.
Whom are you expecting to read this?
Purolator?
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Originally Posted By: salv
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Valid point. However, if the aftermarket product is making a claim that it meets the OEM requirement, it should do just that -- meet the OEM requirement.
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Valid point. However, if the aftermarket product is making a claim that it meets the OEM requirement, it should do just that -- meet the OEM requirement.
Originally Posted By: sir1900
Originally Posted By: salv
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Valid point. However, if the aftermarket product is making a claim that it meets the OEM requirement, it should do just that -- meet the OEM requirement.
I agree completely,which is why its important to read and read very carefully. Manufacturers of any product choose their words very carefully and its mandatory to read the fine print.
The labels say stuff that leads most people to infer something however the fine print tells the real story.
BUYER BEWARE.
And its nice to read a filter bashing thread that isn't directed at fram.
I've never had a fram issue yet some folks just refuse to believe they aren't junk.
Their loss. I'll buy em.
Originally Posted By: salv
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Valid point. However, if the aftermarket product is making a claim that it meets the OEM requirement, it should do just that -- meet the OEM requirement.
I agree completely,which is why its important to read and read very carefully. Manufacturers of any product choose their words very carefully and its mandatory to read the fine print.
The labels say stuff that leads most people to infer something however the fine print tells the real story.
BUYER BEWARE.
And its nice to read a filter bashing thread that isn't directed at fram.
I've never had a fram issue yet some folks just refuse to believe they aren't junk.
Their loss. I'll buy em.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: sir1900
Originally Posted By: salv
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Valid point. However, if the aftermarket product is making a claim that it meets the OEM requirement, it should do just that -- meet the OEM requirement.
I agree completely,which is why its important to read and read very carefully. Manufacturers of any product choose their words very carefully and its mandatory to read the fine print.
The labels say stuff that leads most people to infer something however the fine print tells the real story.
BUYER BEWARE.
And its nice to read a filter bashing thread that isn't directed at fram.
I've never had a fram issue yet some folks just refuse to believe they aren't junk.
Their loss. I'll buy em.
+1 - buy a tough guard next time.
Originally Posted By: sir1900
Originally Posted By: salv
The only filter that you can hold to OEM standards is an OEM filter.
No aftermarket company is going to test their filters for every make, model and available engine on the market. Engines or conditions that lead to high levels of fuel dilution are going to be tougher on filters with cheaper paper media.
Valid point. However, if the aftermarket product is making a claim that it meets the OEM requirement, it should do just that -- meet the OEM requirement.
I agree completely,which is why its important to read and read very carefully. Manufacturers of any product choose their words very carefully and its mandatory to read the fine print.
The labels say stuff that leads most people to infer something however the fine print tells the real story.
BUYER BEWARE.
And its nice to read a filter bashing thread that isn't directed at fram.
I've never had a fram issue yet some folks just refuse to believe they aren't junk.
Their loss. I'll buy em.
+1 - buy a tough guard next time.
Originally Posted By: AHC
When you state that your filters meet or exceed OEM requirements, please ensure they perform for OEM recommended service intervals without tearing and/or falling apart.
Thank you.
Purolator (or any other filter manufacturer) that has a written warranty that guarantees their oil filters to perform to the vehicles maintenance schedule is essentially saying their filters do meet OEM specs. In fact, most aftermarket filters perform better than OEM filters.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/document/Documents/PuroLimitedWarranty.pdf
The torn Purolator filter media issue is mostly likely due to a manufacturing process problem, and/or change in design - ie, less pleats used causing big pleat gaps which cause them to bend over and cause media tears.
When you state that your filters meet or exceed OEM requirements, please ensure they perform for OEM recommended service intervals without tearing and/or falling apart.
Thank you.
Purolator (or any other filter manufacturer) that has a written warranty that guarantees their oil filters to perform to the vehicles maintenance schedule is essentially saying their filters do meet OEM specs. In fact, most aftermarket filters perform better than OEM filters.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/document/Documents/PuroLimitedWarranty.pdf
The torn Purolator filter media issue is mostly likely due to a manufacturing process problem, and/or change in design - ie, less pleats used causing big pleat gaps which cause them to bend over and cause media tears.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The torn Purolator filter media issue is mostly likely due to a manufacturing process problem, and/or change in design - ie, less pleats used causing big pleat gaps which cause them to bend over and cause media tears.
So they're not performing to OEM specs.
The torn Purolator filter media issue is mostly likely due to a manufacturing process problem, and/or change in design - ie, less pleats used causing big pleat gaps which cause them to bend over and cause media tears.
So they're not performing to OEM specs.
Tried FRAM ULTRA once and worked fine. Now back when I had the Tacoma I had a fram with the black grip tar junk on end on it. OUCH, tore half skin from my finger trying to torque the filter off. We should heat that stuff up and start patching pot holes in north america. Looking for a fram acronym ....Filtering Randomly Always Messy lol
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The torn Purolator filter media issue is mostly likely due to a manufacturing process problem, and/or change in design - ie, less pleats used causing big pleat gaps which cause them to bend over and cause media tears.
So they're not performing to OEM specs.
The media tears are not part of the design ... it's an unplanned flaw. The filters are ideally designed to perform to or better than OEM specs. Unforeseen flaws are not part of anyone's ideal design.
Purolator has been made aware of the problem. That's all that can be done ... it's up to the Purolator engineers to find a root cause and fix it.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The torn Purolator filter media issue is mostly likely due to a manufacturing process problem, and/or change in design - ie, less pleats used causing big pleat gaps which cause them to bend over and cause media tears.
So they're not performing to OEM specs.
The media tears are not part of the design ... it's an unplanned flaw. The filters are ideally designed to perform to or better than OEM specs. Unforeseen flaws are not part of anyone's ideal design.
Purolator has been made aware of the problem. That's all that can be done ... it's up to the Purolator engineers to find a root cause and fix it.
Do you know more?
Are any recalls being planned? I have quite a few Bosch Premiums on hand.
Are any recalls being planned? I have quite a few Bosch Premiums on hand.
That should go for any part or fluid that is claimed to meet or exceed OEM specs.
Keep in mind that OEM service offers two intervals, "normal" and "severe". If the claim is made that the filter will last for the duration of an OEM interval, all it has to do is last for the severe service interval, which is usually half the normal service interval.
Originally Posted By: salv
Keep in mind that OEM service offers two intervals, "normal" and "severe". If the claim is made that the filter will last for the duration of an OEM interval, all it has to do is last for the severe service interval, which is usually half the normal service interval.
Negative. All the 'reputable' aftermarket oil filter manufacturers warranty is for the length of the vehicle manufacturer's recommended oci/fci, be it severe or normal. There is no specification for a type of service profile.
And I'd say if one has an issue with a specific manufacturer a much more effective method imo would be to directly contact that manufacturer. Lacking that, either switch brands or use oem only.
Keep in mind that OEM service offers two intervals, "normal" and "severe". If the claim is made that the filter will last for the duration of an OEM interval, all it has to do is last for the severe service interval, which is usually half the normal service interval.
Negative. All the 'reputable' aftermarket oil filter manufacturers warranty is for the length of the vehicle manufacturer's recommended oci/fci, be it severe or normal. There is no specification for a type of service profile.
And I'd say if one has an issue with a specific manufacturer a much more effective method imo would be to directly contact that manufacturer. Lacking that, either switch brands or use oem only.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
BUYER BEWARE.
And its nice to read a filter bashing thread that isn't directed at fram. I've never had a fram issue yet some folks just refuse to believe they aren't junk. Their loss. I'll buy em.
1 - why bring it up at all if no one else was? All you did was encourage the anti Fram folks to respond. I don't like them and have had issues with them but wouldn't have said that if you hadn't thrown the gauntlet down so to speak. Just because you haven't had a problem does not mean other people haven't.
2 - As you said BUYER BEWARE!
BUYER BEWARE.
And its nice to read a filter bashing thread that isn't directed at fram. I've never had a fram issue yet some folks just refuse to believe they aren't junk. Their loss. I'll buy em.
1 - why bring it up at all if no one else was? All you did was encourage the anti Fram folks to respond. I don't like them and have had issues with them but wouldn't have said that if you hadn't thrown the gauntlet down so to speak. Just because you haven't had a problem does not mean other people haven't.
2 - As you said BUYER BEWARE!
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Crazy as it sounds, the aftermarket guys are often the same guys that build the OEM filters.
Champion, Arvin Meteor, etc., etc.
True ... but built to different specs. We could all chip in to have "BITOG brand" filters produced based on our own design specs. Even though they might be built by Purolator, they may not be even remotely like a Purolator brand filter.
Crazy as it sounds, the aftermarket guys are often the same guys that build the OEM filters.
Champion, Arvin Meteor, etc., etc.
True ... but built to different specs. We could all chip in to have "BITOG brand" filters produced based on our own design specs. Even though they might be built by Purolator, they may not be even remotely like a Purolator brand filter.
ahc, its nice not to have to worry about filters falling or tearing apart.
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