Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by lowon
Originally Posted by Marco620
Call Dave at Redline Oil on monday. He can tell you what would be best.
Redline is not LL01 as aforementioned so I would prefer not to run that, otherwise I would be running their euro 5w40.
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by lowon
Hey guys I am a new member here and I just had a question about oils appropriate for track usage.
I have a 2017 bmw m2 and I was looking at some LL01 oils that was useable on the street and track, I know that these engines get extremely hot at times and can see oil temps close to 270ºF. So my question is what would be a good HTHS rating to keep the engine safe at these conditions? I was looking at penzzoil platnium euro 5w40 which apparently has an HTHS of 3.6 according to sources on here, and I was wondering if this was enough or if I should go for an oil with higher HTHS ratings.
Thanks
Motul X-Cess GEN2 5W40 has HTHS 3.9. X-Cess 5W40 previous generation has HTHS 3.7.
Are you looking approved LL01 or oil that is in that category? Castrol 0W40 has HTHS 3.7
Yes I am looking for an LL01 approved oil so the motul x-cess gen 2 would not work for me.
I have also looked through the entire BMW TIS of approved oils and was just mainly looking for an LL01 oil that was capable of hard track use under extremely high oil temps of 270ºF.
So I guess if I had to rephrase my question is would be:
1) What would the minimum HTHS that could handle 270ºF oil temps on hard track use without shearing? - This is probably a crappy question but I was just curious what range of HTHS I should be looking at.
2) How does penzzoil platnium euro 5w40 stack up against castrol edge 0w40 on the track or valvoline 0w40 full synthetic advanced? Because penzoil platnium euro is really easy for me to obtain and really cheap so I would like to use it, but if the specs are not good enough to handle my intended operating conditions then I will happily search for another oil.
3) What would be the best out of these 3: Valvoline full synthetic advanced 0w40 (LL01 and has an HTHS of 3.7), penzzoil platinum euro 5w40 (LL01 and has an HTHS of 3.6 according to BITOG), castrol 0w40
4) is the 5w40 verison of castrol edge any good I cannot remember if I read something about that version being bad on BITOG.
5) If you guys have any other LL01 approved oils with a high HTHS that is not too difficult to obtain please let me know I am all ears.
Thanks again for helping a nooby like me out.
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Marco620
Call Dave at Redline Oil on monday. He can tell you what would be best.
Redline is not approved oil for LL01, if he is looking for oils approved for LL01.
+1
1. I would agree with other that if you are tracking vehicle maybe you should consider running oil just for track? However, if you plan to keep same oil, and just play on track, than stay with regular oils.
2. Here is the thing.
270f is around 132c. Let's say 135c for the sake of argument.
ASTM D4683 measures HTHS at 150c. At that temperature HTHS of Pennzoil is between 3.6 to 3.7.
3. Next, Motul X-Cess Gen2 is approved for LL01:
https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/news/products-innovation/motul-difference-xclean-xcess-gen2
4. Valvoline 0W40 is not approved, but only recommended for LL01, at least here in the US. Valvoline 5W40 European Vehicle is approved for LL01. However, I personally would go with Pennzoil over Valvoline as Pennzoil is GTL based oil.
5. You can always run this too:
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-fs-x2-5w-50/
It has MB229.3, Porsche A40 approvals, it is 5W oil, and HTHS is 4.4. It would be my choice over 15W50 M1.
1. I also have to ask this, is a full track oil suitable for street use with short oil change intervals? Does it have the proper additives to ensure my car doesn't see issues?
I am not too worried about oil change intervals as a I normally do oil changes a 5000km every fall before winter storage. So will a track oil be able to sit through the winter? The whole reason why I do oil changes before storage and not after is to make sure no acidic dirty oil stays in the engine.
2. Do you reckon the HTHS rating of penzoil platnium euro is enough for track use?
3. I always refer to the bmw data base for LL01 approvals not the manufacture because some oil companies like ams oil and redline always have super misleading recommendations:
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f87-m2-cou/repair-manuals/11-engine/11-00-engine/1VnYpiUbyG
So GEN 2 is still not on the data base yet, but keeping in mind it does lag behind I would assume it is approved since motul doesn't make LL01 claims unless it is LL01.
4. Yes valvoline 0w40 is approved. Yeah I also prefer penzzoil
5. Too thick. But thank you for your insight.
But if LL01 is not that important than something like redline 5w40 would be really good. Just curious how it would fair for long term useage on the street and winter storage. As long as it has the additives to keep my engine and turbo happy I will switch over.
But I still do prefer a one size fits all oil for track and street if possible, so I do not have to keep flushing my oil loop when I switch oils.