Oil catch can consideration for direct injection

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I am thinking about adding a catch can by splicing the PCV hose to capture oil/fuel/water vapor to reduce / eliminate the intake valve deposits that causes engine problem (stalling, stumbling when starting, etc), after the extended warranty expires at 10 years 100k miles.

If I understand correctly, the fuel vapor has a lower boiling and flash points than water vapor, and water vapor has a lower boiling and flash points than oil vapor. So in order to condense fuel vapor inside the catch can I will have to keep the catch can temperature cool enough that water would condense along with fuel, potentially collect a lot of water if I do not want it in my intake.

I am thinking about having some check valve in the can so when there is no vacuum, the collected water would drain outside the car via a hose to a container outside, or keep the temperature high enough so the water vapor and fuel vapor would be sucked back into the intake and drain only the oil back to the sump.

The setup would be a hose coming from the valve cover that split into 2 paths, 1 toward the input of the catch can, 1 to a check valve (i.e. a PCV in reverse direction) that would drain oil back into the engine. The output of the catch can would just go into the intake as it would be in a normal PCV setup. If I can do this I do not need to ever dump the fluid between oil change again; it would be perfect.

So how do I control the temperature of the catch can to "distill" the right fluid? and how do I keep it cool under the hood? I can think of some elaborate cooling mechanism, like putting the catch can inside another container with air feeding into the crankcase (from air before throttle body). This air should be cool enough to shield the catch can from under hood heat. However this would dramatically increase the size of the catch can and vacuum plumbing complexity.

Am I over engineering this for a non turbo car just to get rid of intake valve deposit?
 
Yes, also I would recommend checking with your insurance company as engine mods that involve a potential fire risk can be classed as negligence. If you finish up causing a lot of smoke one day and some rubber necker has an accident, the legal situation could be interesting. All you need do is write to your insurance company and get a reply saying it is OK, or pay the extra premium.
Increasing the power or mods involving the fuel system are always of interest to the insurance folks and it might be better to use an approved spray in cleaner.
 
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Originally Posted By: skyship
Increasing the power or mods involving the fuel system are always of interest to the insurance folks and it might be better to use an approved spray in cleaner.


It is emission system, vacuum based ventilation, not turbo.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
I thought your motor has the hybrid direct-inject and port-inject?


Not picking on you, but Toyota says they use the hybrid port/di system to cure part throttle issues, not for cleaning.
 
Didn't know that, Steve. Interesting.

That being said, the Audi 4.2 FSI motors (RS4, RS5, R8, etc) did not show any improvements in carbon deposits when putting a catch can on.
 
Regular italian tuneups are recommended. As dparm said, catch cans haven't been proven to fix the problem, yet. They might, but no evidence of it yet.
 
catch cans are greatly over rated as to their supposed benefits.

Sheer numbers tell you they are not really needed.

And I love an Italian tune up!
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Didn't know that, Steve. Interesting.

That being said, the Audi 4.2 FSI motors (RS4, RS5, R8, etc) did not show any improvements in carbon deposits when putting a catch can on.


Yes, the remark was quoted in Car and Driver when they were reviewing the BRZ/FRS clones. The 2.0 flat 4 built by Subaru uses Toyota's hybrid di/port injection setup.

It may be that this engine (and others sharing it's setup) will keep its intake valves clean as a side effect even if unintended.
 
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Regular italian tuneups are recommended. As dparm said, catch cans haven't been proven to fix the problem, yet. They might, but no evidence of it yet.



An Italian tuneup doesn't help either. There needs to be physical cleaning of the valves. Some oils can lessen this but there is no simple cure.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Regular italian tuneups are recommended. As dparm said, catch cans haven't been proven to fix the problem, yet. They might, but no evidence of it yet.



An Italian tuneup doesn't help either. There needs to be physical cleaning of the valves. Some oils can lessen this but there is no simple cure.


actually it does. VW even recommends it.

Here are before and after pics of an italian tuneup:
Deposit reduction from italian tuneup
 
^^^Despite the anecdotal evidence above, this problem would seem a bit amplified by the Internet.

One example or even a dozen still does not account for the thousands and thousands of DI cars on the road with more coming every day.

If they were all dropping like flies it would be easier to believe, but i think this strictly applies to the easy around town short hoppers and such.
 
Pandabear: Why not start off with a 'normal' oil catch can, and then monitor how much fluid accumulates to see if it really is a problem?
 
Originally Posted By: Tosh
Pandabear: Why not start off with a 'normal' oil catch can, and then monitor how much fluid accumulates to see if it really is a problem?


That'll be likely what I want to do, just trying to see if there is a better way to do it first and for all, and maintenance free with no dumping fluid later.
 
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