Motorsilk- Boron cls technology?

[Tony B]

Came across this products web info and it sounds pretty promising with some evidence to back up its claims. Is this crafty bunk or really some new additives that are a step up from what available in motor oils now? I know current boron adds can form some semi-perminent layers now-so this does (to a layman) sound plausible.
Several tests in the below link seem to pretty convincing! Is Boron the new holy grail of boundary layer lubrication?


http://www.evergreenamerica.com/technology/test.html#oil

 

[buster]

Interesting....this is one for Molekule.

 

[unDummy]

Search for motorbond, motorsilk, or luboron. I believe its discussed here already.

Boron PPM seems to be pretty high in some well performing oils. Search for boron in the UOA/VOA section.

 

[Tony B]

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Originally posted by unDummy:
Search for motorbond, motorsilk, or luboron. I believe its discussed here already.

Boron PPM seems to be pretty high in some well performing oils. Search for boron in the UOA/VOA section.

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I did search for the motorbond and motor silk already- not much info or discussion on them. I did see luboron mentioned in some of those posts but did not know if they were the same adds or different ones. Just because a UOA has high boron does not necessarily mean the boron type is the same. Hence my questions and posting of the informational page for Motorsilk.

T

 

[MolaKule]

Try a search on Boron????:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000177

 

[Tony B]

So from searching thru all these older posts Boron does seem to be the miracle that it is claimed to be if it is in the right form- which the Motorsilk cls claims to be- forming a lattice structure of harder then steel material. This material takes the wear-reducing elemental analysis wear numbers in the process-keeping the engine longer lived. It appears that these Boron adds work best in shearing type situations,such as piston and cylinder walls scenario.

Also the Boron add is alluded to being in the SX-UP additive, although on there website they do not claim fame to that dept of energy labaratory like the motorsilk and Luboron do. So that makes me think that it is a Boron add but not "THE" boron add mentioned in motorsilk and Luboron that is in the SX-UP.

Does this sound all right?

T

 

[MolaKule]

I have no idea what the other's "claim-to-fame" might be but we use Borate Esters (BE's).

The esters disperse the boron better in the host oil and help to bring the boron to the metal better than other boronated addditives, which is why we use it.

Anyone can quote a technical paper, but Specialty Formulation's has done extensive research on real world engines and gear boxes and we know how to apply the technology properly in supplements and gear lubes.

As with any aditive, you must know the proper amount of additive to use so that it doesn't degrade the performance of other additives.

 

[chiks]

Is the Borate Esters used in SX-UP ?

 

[bruce381]

looks like boron nitide to me works well as stated
bruce

 

[Winston]

Is the Boron in Mobil and Chevron oils in the same for as Motorsilk, Luboron, Motorbond, VSOT etc?

The other question, is that those add sites make it sound like it is a one-time treatment that will last many miles. Is that true?

I could envision a scenario where one did one OCI with Mobil 1 EP (to do a boron treatment) then go to 4-5 OCI's with the nice estery, high moly Redline. Then another Mobil 1 EP, and on and on.

 

[obbop]

Keep hearing and reading about MotorSilk and other boron-related additives.

Found this site during a search for info:

http://www.westernlubrication.com/tests.html

Some interesting sources of info, graphs, etc.

Makes me wonder.

Still under warranty so don't wanna' take a chance using it. But, when the extended warranty is over in 5 years, hopefully the "full story" and user experiences will indicate whether the goop is helpful w/o causing any harm. If so, would consider using it then.