Walmart has switched to carrying the Motorcraft FL-1995W oil filter, rather than the normal model of FL-1995. Does anyone know if it's a cheaper version, build quality wise? It sees a bit suspect. Why would they get a special version, if it's not a differently built product? I can't find ANY mention of it on here or in Google. other than Google trying to drive me to questionable sites selling unrelated crap.
Motorcraft FL-1995W different than than non-W?
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It is specific to Wal-Mart. They are from Ford, but they do not have a warranty that a dealer can honor.
If its a special for walmart.... Its be "value engineered"
Originally Posted by danez_yoda
If its a special for walmart.... Its be "value engineered"
All of 50 cents vs O'Reilly?
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
It is specific to Wal-Mart. They are from Ford, but they do not have a warranty that a dealer can honor.
Are the O'Reilly Motorcraft FL-1995 ones questionable too?
If its a special for walmart.... Its be "value engineered"
All of 50 cents vs O'Reilly?
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
It is specific to Wal-Mart. They are from Ford, but they do not have a warranty that a dealer can honor.
Are the O'Reilly Motorcraft FL-1995 ones questionable too?
Confused by this one, a little-since when does a Ford dealer have ANYTHING to do with a Motorcraft filter (that they didn't install)-shouldn't that be a Purolator/Mann & Hummel problem to deal with?
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Confused by this one, a little-since when does a Ford dealer have ANYTHING to do with a Motorcraft filter (that they didn't install)-shouldn't that be a Purolator/Mann & Hummel problem to deal with?
Maybe if used on an engine under warranty? I'm running these filters on a 34 year old IDI engine, so there's no warranty concerns.
Confused by this one, a little-since when does a Ford dealer have ANYTHING to do with a Motorcraft filter (that they didn't install)-shouldn't that be a Purolator/Mann & Hummel problem to deal with?
Maybe if used on an engine under warranty? I'm running these filters on a 34 year old IDI engine, so there's no warranty concerns.
People will buy Motorcraft parts from say a parts house or online. A dealer is not required to honor the warranty because the proof of purchase is not from a dealer and we run the risk of not being reimbursed from the Company.
Originally Posted by Cubey
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Confused by this one, a little-since when does a Ford dealer have ANYTHING to do with a Motorcraft filter (that they didn't install)-shouldn't that be a Purolator/Mann & Hummel problem to deal with?
Maybe if used on an engine under warranty? I'm running these filters on a 34 year old IDI engine, so there's no warranty concerns.
Also, considering that's technically a Power Stroke filter (it fits, but it's oversize for an IDI)-there's likely no warranty at all. The recommended MC filter is the shorter FL-784.
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Confused by this one, a little-since when does a Ford dealer have ANYTHING to do with a Motorcraft filter (that they didn't install)-shouldn't that be a Purolator/Mann & Hummel problem to deal with?
Maybe if used on an engine under warranty? I'm running these filters on a 34 year old IDI engine, so there's no warranty concerns.
Also, considering that's technically a Power Stroke filter (it fits, but it's oversize for an IDI)-there's likely no warranty at all. The recommended MC filter is the shorter FL-784.
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A dealer would not honor warranty anyway ... A dealer might act as an agent, but the dealership itself is not the implied warrant-or.
Should a problem arise, it would be a question of which product(s) was/were still under warranty (the engine and/or the filter). Then it would be a conversation between those entities as to where the failure originates from. Even if it were a Fram filter and not a MC filter, the same concept would apply. If the engine is under warranty and the filter product is properly selected for the specific application, the burden of proof falls upon the engine maker. If the engine is not under warranty, or the filter product is suspect, then the burden of proof falls to the filter maker. It has zilch to do with the dealer, other than the input from the dealer as to what was found present on the car.
Learn how the M/M Act works ... Warranty coverage is about burden of proof.
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/businesspersons-guide-federal-warranty-law
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title15-chapter50&edition=prelim
Assuming that Walmart is selling their own branded version of the MC filter, it certainly would be doing so under license from Motorcraft, as WM is not so stupid as to violate copyright and trademark laws by marketing an unlicensed product. So the WM version of the MC filter is likely an approved MC filter. It would be worth emailing both WM and MC and asking as to the specific warranty statements.
Should a problem arise, it would be a question of which product(s) was/were still under warranty (the engine and/or the filter). Then it would be a conversation between those entities as to where the failure originates from. Even if it were a Fram filter and not a MC filter, the same concept would apply. If the engine is under warranty and the filter product is properly selected for the specific application, the burden of proof falls upon the engine maker. If the engine is not under warranty, or the filter product is suspect, then the burden of proof falls to the filter maker. It has zilch to do with the dealer, other than the input from the dealer as to what was found present on the car.
Learn how the M/M Act works ... Warranty coverage is about burden of proof.
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/businesspersons-guide-federal-warranty-law
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title15-chapter50&edition=prelim
Assuming that Walmart is selling their own branded version of the MC filter, it certainly would be doing so under license from Motorcraft, as WM is not so stupid as to violate copyright and trademark laws by marketing an unlicensed product. So the WM version of the MC filter is likely an approved MC filter. It would be worth emailing both WM and MC and asking as to the specific warranty statements.
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dnewton covered the MM factor/aspect with this MC labeled filter with W suffix very well. It would be no different a non MC aftermarket OF as far filter warranty coverage goes. In short a dealer or manufacturer can not say a specific brand ie., oem "must" be used or they would have to pay for that specific filter.
Preface by saying, I have not seen the W suffix MC filters, will look next time I'm in WM. I'd be curious to see a comparison c&p of the W suffix vs dealer sold MC filter. My "speculation" is the W suffix is still identical to the MC sold at the dealer. With this development if across all applications, it seems as though dealers got tired of WM selling identical MC filters for less than the dealer and pressured MC (or powers that be) to add some kind marking to identify non dealer sold MCs. And reading an explanation above, perhaps as an excuse, lame as it is, to deny warranty service. Again, that just my speculation based on known information and what posted in this thread. My .02
Preface by saying, I have not seen the W suffix MC filters, will look next time I'm in WM. I'd be curious to see a comparison c&p of the W suffix vs dealer sold MC filter. My "speculation" is the W suffix is still identical to the MC sold at the dealer. With this development if across all applications, it seems as though dealers got tired of WM selling identical MC filters for less than the dealer and pressured MC (or powers that be) to add some kind marking to identify non dealer sold MCs. And reading an explanation above, perhaps as an excuse, lame as it is, to deny warranty service. Again, that just my speculation based on known information and what posted in this thread. My .02
Maybe the w doesn't mean Walmart, no one knows. Dealer parts including oil filters carry a warranty on the part itself, usually 12 months. This would be unrelated to factory warranty on the vehicle. WM sells Toyota and Delco and Mopar, don't think those have the dealer part warranty, but that's my speculation. Don't think you can take a defective Toyota oil filter to a Toyota dealer with your WM receipt.
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Maybe the w doesn't mean Walmart, no one knows. Dealer parts including oil filters carry a warranty on the part itself, usually 12 months. This would be unrelated to factory warranty on the vehicle. WM sells Toyota and Delco and Mopar, don't think those have the dealer part warranty, but that's my speculation. Don't think you can take a defective Toyota oil filter to a Toyota dealer with your WM receipt.
The W literally means WalMart as they are the only ones that sell the FL-1995W and FL-2016W.
Maybe the w doesn't mean Walmart, no one knows. Dealer parts including oil filters carry a warranty on the part itself, usually 12 months. This would be unrelated to factory warranty on the vehicle. WM sells Toyota and Delco and Mopar, don't think those have the dealer part warranty, but that's my speculation. Don't think you can take a defective Toyota oil filter to a Toyota dealer with your WM receipt.
The W literally means WalMart as they are the only ones that sell the FL-1995W and FL-2016W.
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Also, considering that's technically a Power Stroke filter (it fits, but it's oversize for an IDI)-there's likely no warranty at all. The recommended MC filter is the shorter FL-784.
Yep it's oversized meaning more filtration media, the media is better (PSD needs it), and it adds an extra quart of oil. They also cost $2 less, based on O'Reilly pricing. The lower price offsets the extra quart of oil and you're still left with a larger, better filter. There is very little reason for me to use the FL-784. The FL-1995 doesn't fit every truck due to clearance issues with other parts, but it fits both my 87 F250 and 85 E350.
Also, considering that's technically a Power Stroke filter (it fits, but it's oversize for an IDI)-there's likely no warranty at all. The recommended MC filter is the shorter FL-784.
Yep it's oversized meaning more filtration media, the media is better (PSD needs it), and it adds an extra quart of oil. They also cost $2 less, based on O'Reilly pricing. The lower price offsets the extra quart of oil and you're still left with a larger, better filter. There is very little reason for me to use the FL-784. The FL-1995 doesn't fit every truck due to clearance issues with other parts, but it fits both my 87 F250 and 85 E350.
Originally Posted by Sayjac
identical MC filters for less than the dealer
But the Fl-1995W is only 55 cents cheaper than the non-W at O'Reilly. That seems like a lot of hassle for MC to produce different boxes and outer shells for filters over 55 cent price difference, unless the W filters are somehow inferior to justify the separate model. Unless it has to do with tracking how many people buy filters from WM. Or rather, how many filters WM buys from MC.
Something like the FL-400S does have a big price difference, $4 at WM vs $7 at O'Reilly. I happen to be aware of the price difference on that filter because I run it on my Onan BGE 4kw generator (2cyl, 3.5qts oil).
identical MC filters for less than the dealer
But the Fl-1995W is only 55 cents cheaper than the non-W at O'Reilly. That seems like a lot of hassle for MC to produce different boxes and outer shells for filters over 55 cent price difference, unless the W filters are somehow inferior to justify the separate model. Unless it has to do with tracking how many people buy filters from WM. Or rather, how many filters WM buys from MC.
Something like the FL-400S does have a big price difference, $4 at WM vs $7 at O'Reilly. I happen to be aware of the price difference on that filter because I run it on my Onan BGE 4kw generator (2cyl, 3.5qts oil).
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Maybe the w doesn't mean Walmart, no one knows. Dealer parts including oil filters carry a warranty on the part itself, usually 12 months. This would be unrelated to factory warranty on the vehicle. WM sells Toyota and Delco and Mopar, don't think those have the dealer part warranty, but that's my speculation. Don't think you can take a defective Toyota oil filter to a Toyota dealer with your WM receipt.
The W literally means WalMart as they are the only ones that sell the FL-1995W and FL-2016W.
Seems like it would be, Knowing takes more. Putting two facts together, walmart starts with w and the filter has a w at the end is all there is. Have to know more to connect the two or it's speculation.
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Maybe the w doesn't mean Walmart, no one knows. Dealer parts including oil filters carry a warranty on the part itself, usually 12 months. This would be unrelated to factory warranty on the vehicle. WM sells Toyota and Delco and Mopar, don't think those have the dealer part warranty, but that's my speculation. Don't think you can take a defective Toyota oil filter to a Toyota dealer with your WM receipt.
The W literally means WalMart as they are the only ones that sell the FL-1995W and FL-2016W.
Seems like it would be, Knowing takes more. Putting two facts together, walmart starts with w and the filter has a w at the end is all there is. Have to know more to connect the two or it's speculation.
Well, with information provided to this point really it's only a matter of putting/printing an extra letter on the box and can, I'd think not huge deal. That, and I'd 'imagine' WM is the largest retailer (volume wise) by far of non dealer sold MC filters. And the one FoMoCo dealers would see the most as such. And thus an easy target. And 55 cents is 55 cents, especially if identical to dealer sold MC filter.
Without more information and verification I'm unwilling to make the leap that they are different beyond the letter than the non W MC filter. And thus being inferior also a leap I couldn't make. You will note and not quoted that I said, my 'speculation'. That based on previous WM MC identical to dealer sold.
I will say, 'based on one response' here perhaps for some dealers at least, it 'seems' there may/could be a Ford tech bolo for the W filters. One can draw their own conclusion based on that response as for the reason for that.
However most important point, the W filter would still be covered by a filter warranty same as other non MC aftermarket filters.
Without more information and verification I'm unwilling to make the leap that they are different beyond the letter than the non W MC filter. And thus being inferior also a leap I couldn't make. You will note and not quoted that I said, my 'speculation'. That based on previous WM MC identical to dealer sold.
I will say, 'based on one response' here perhaps for some dealers at least, it 'seems' there may/could be a Ford tech bolo for the W filters. One can draw their own conclusion based on that response as for the reason for that.
However most important point, the W filter would still be covered by a filter warranty same as other non MC aftermarket filters.
Originally Posted by Cubey
Originally Posted by Sayjac
identical MC filters for less than the dealer
But the Fl-1995W is only 55 cents cheaper than the non-W at O'Reilly. That seems like a lot of hassle for MC to produce different boxes and outer shells for filters over 55 cent price difference, unless the W filters are somehow inferior to justify the separate model. Unless it has to do with tracking how many people buy filters from WM. Or rather, how many filters WM buys from MC.
Something like the FL-400S does have a big price difference, $4 at WM vs $7 at O'Reilly. I happen to be aware of the price difference on that filter because I run it on my Onan BGE 4kw generator (2cyl, 3.5qts oil).
There is a reason that O'Really's stock is $389 + a share.
Originally Posted by Sayjac
identical MC filters for less than the dealer
But the Fl-1995W is only 55 cents cheaper than the non-W at O'Reilly. That seems like a lot of hassle for MC to produce different boxes and outer shells for filters over 55 cent price difference, unless the W filters are somehow inferior to justify the separate model. Unless it has to do with tracking how many people buy filters from WM. Or rather, how many filters WM buys from MC.
Something like the FL-400S does have a big price difference, $4 at WM vs $7 at O'Reilly. I happen to be aware of the price difference on that filter because I run it on my Onan BGE 4kw generator (2cyl, 3.5qts oil).
There is a reason that O'Really's stock is $389 + a share.
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Originally Posted by Farnsworth
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
The W literally means WalMart as they are the only ones that sell the FL-1995W and FL-2016W.
Seems like it would be, Knowing takes more. Putting two facts together, walmart starts with w and the filter has a w at the end is all there is. Have to know more to connect the two or it's speculation.
Name brand electronics and computers sold at WM often get "W" or "WM" at the end of their model numbers to differentiate them from ones sold by other stores of the same exact kind, so it's highly probable that the oil filter is getting the same model number treatment. It may very well be the same filter build as you would get at O'Reilly or a dealer, but for whatever reason the WM one gets "W" tacked on.
WM's site/app still shows the non-W filter but the title says FL-1995W. I've seen the FL-1995W in stores, but I never took a picture. I'll try to remember to the next time I'm in one this weekend, if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
The W literally means WalMart as they are the only ones that sell the FL-1995W and FL-2016W.
Seems like it would be, Knowing takes more. Putting two facts together, walmart starts with w and the filter has a w at the end is all there is. Have to know more to connect the two or it's speculation.
Name brand electronics and computers sold at WM often get "W" or "WM" at the end of their model numbers to differentiate them from ones sold by other stores of the same exact kind, so it's highly probable that the oil filter is getting the same model number treatment. It may very well be the same filter build as you would get at O'Reilly or a dealer, but for whatever reason the WM one gets "W" tacked on.
WM's site/app still shows the non-W filter but the title says FL-1995W. I've seen the FL-1995W in stores, but I never took a picture. I'll try to remember to the next time I'm in one this weekend, if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
Originally Posted by Cubey
Name brand electronics and computers sold at WM often get "W" or "WM" at the end of their model numbers to differentiate them from ones sold by other stores of the same exact kind, so it's highly probable that the oil filter is getting the same model number treatment. It may very well be the same filter build as you would get at O'Reilly or a dealer, but for whatever reason the WM one gets "W" tacked on.
WM's site/app still shows the non-W filter but the title says FL-1995W. I've seen the FL-1995W in stores, but I never took a picture. I'll try to remember to the next time I'm in one this weekend, if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
Look closely at all the print on the box to see if there is any mention of "Distributed by Walmart" or "Manufactured for Walmart" or something similar.
Name brand electronics and computers sold at WM often get "W" or "WM" at the end of their model numbers to differentiate them from ones sold by other stores of the same exact kind, so it's highly probable that the oil filter is getting the same model number treatment. It may very well be the same filter build as you would get at O'Reilly or a dealer, but for whatever reason the WM one gets "W" tacked on.
WM's site/app still shows the non-W filter but the title says FL-1995W. I've seen the FL-1995W in stores, but I never took a picture. I'll try to remember to the next time I'm in one this weekend, if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
Look closely at all the print on the box to see if there is any mention of "Distributed by Walmart" or "Manufactured for Walmart" or something similar.
Originally Posted by Cubey
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Also, considering that's technically a Power Stroke filter (it fits, but it's oversize for an IDI)-there's likely no warranty at all. The recommended MC filter is the shorter FL-784.
Yep it's oversized meaning more filtration media, the media is better (PSD needs it), and it adds an extra quart of oil. They also cost $2 less, based on O'Reilly pricing. The lower price offsets the extra quart of oil and you're still left with a larger, better filter. There is very little reason for me to use the FL-784. The FL-1995 doesn't fit every truck due to clearance issues with other parts, but it fits both my 87 F250 and 85 E350.
Yes, and I've used them on the F-450 7.3 IDI in my sig with zero issues-but Mann & Hummel is going to use any excuse it can find to weasel out of repairing an engine if an oversized filter is used. If they respond to any issues at all...
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Also, considering that's technically a Power Stroke filter (it fits, but it's oversize for an IDI)-there's likely no warranty at all. The recommended MC filter is the shorter FL-784.
Yep it's oversized meaning more filtration media, the media is better (PSD needs it), and it adds an extra quart of oil. They also cost $2 less, based on O'Reilly pricing. The lower price offsets the extra quart of oil and you're still left with a larger, better filter. There is very little reason for me to use the FL-784. The FL-1995 doesn't fit every truck due to clearance issues with other parts, but it fits both my 87 F250 and 85 E350.
Yes, and I've used them on the F-450 7.3 IDI in my sig with zero issues-but Mann & Hummel is going to use any excuse it can find to weasel out of repairing an engine if an oversized filter is used. If they respond to any issues at all...
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