Kia Stinger and Genesis G70

[jrcowboys]

Guys:

My daughter is looking at new cars and she liked the Kia Stinger, she also wants to look at the Genesis G70 (when available). She currently has 2012 BMW 335i, which she likes, but has spent a lot of money on repairs. Plus it let her down on a trip (injector stuck open at 70K miles).

What do you folks think about the Stinger and G70?

Also, any advice on injectors on DI cars? 70K seems like low mileage for injector failure (she uses tectron fairly regularly).

JR

 

[maxdustington]

Fast luxury cars are always going to be expensive to repair when they get old. Teutonic or Oriental.

Stinger:
Pros: [censored], fast, good warranty
Cons: Having to fend off men with a twelve foot clown pole for being a girl with a cool car.

 

[Danno]

G70 is getting some great reviews. Can't go wrong with either imo. Post some pictures of whatever car she ends up with.

 

[marine65]

Motor Week T.V. tested the G70 and concluded that "They nailed it"

 

[KalapanaBlack]

The DI injector failure could theoretically happen to any car, and as we all know DI is more trouble-prone than port injection, but given BMW's very checkered past with DI system reliability, I wouldn't bet that a new HK product would have that kind of failure at low mileage.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by jrcowboys
Guys:

My daughter is looking at new cars and she liked the Kia Stinger, she also wants to look at the Genesis G70 (when available). She currently has 2012 BMW 335i, which she likes, but has spent a lot of money on repairs. Plus it let her down on a trip (injector stuck open at 70K miles).

What do you folks think about the Stinger and G70?

Also, any advice on injectors on DI cars? 70K seems like low mileage for injector failure (she uses tectron fairly regularly).

JR


She DID know that BMW had a 10 year 120k mile warranty on injectors for some cars, correct?

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

The saving grace for the Hyundai is the class leading warranty. From my limited experience with the brand the interior bits will not age as well as those found in the German brands, buy IMO that's more of an annoyance. This is simply the place where Hyundai cut costs whereas BMW does with the quality of plastic components in the engine bay.

 

[Danno]

Good video review of the G70.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWUguhsyfUY

 

[Gixxer8989]

Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
The saving grace for the Hyundai is the class leading warranty. From my limited experience with the brand the interior bits will not age as well as those found in the German brands, buy IMO that's more of an annoyance. This is simply the place where Hyundai cut costs whereas BMW does with the quality of plastic components in the engine bay.


In my experience owning both Hyundai and BMW , Hyundai is almost impossible to get warranty work done.

 

[Danno]

Having owned a Hyundai, same with my golfing friend, no issues with warranty, and yes, used warranty a few times. Tank fuel pump replaced, high pressure fuel pump replaced, and one headlight due to manufacturing defect.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by jrcowboys
Guys:

My daughter is looking at new cars and she liked the Kia Stinger, she also wants to look at the Genesis G70 (when available). She currently has 2012 BMW 335i, which she likes, but has spent a lot of money on repairs. Plus it let her down on a trip (injector stuck open at 70K miles).

What do you folks think about the Stinger and G70?

Also, any advice on injectors on DI cars? 70K seems like low mileage for injector failure (she uses tectron fairly regularly).

JR

Stinger and G70 engineered by BMW engineers, that is why they are getting good review.
Injector can fail in any car.
BMW's are much more complex and at forefront of technology innovation. That usually means more issues, but you get what you pay. Stinger and G70 are not going to drive like BMW. If she just wants fast car, they will do job. However, they are far from being balanced as BMW, etc. But, might be more forgiving. So, question is: why she bought BMW and why she wants G70 and Stinger.

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by jrcowboys
Guys:

My daughter is looking at new cars and she liked the Kia Stinger, she also wants to look at the Genesis G70 (when available). She currently has 2012 BMW 335i, which she likes, but has spent a lot of money on repairs. Plus it let her down on a trip (injector stuck open at 70K miles).

What do you folks think about the Stinger and G70?

Also, any advice on injectors on DI cars? 70K seems like low mileage for injector failure (she uses tectron fairly regularly).

JR

Stinger and G70 engineered by BMW engineers, that is why they are getting good review.
Injector can fail in any car.
BMW's are much more complex and at forefront of technology innovation. That usually means more issues, but you get what you pay. Stinger and G70 are not going to drive like BMW. If she just wants fast car, they will do job. However, they are far from being balanced as BMW, etc. But, might be more forgiving. So, question is: why she bought BMW and why she wants G70 and Stinger.


Have you driven both the Stinger and the G70? Or is this the blind fanboy in you talking?

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by jrcowboys
Guys:

My daughter is looking at new cars and she liked the Kia Stinger, she also wants to look at the Genesis G70 (when available). She currently has 2012 BMW 335i, which she likes, but has spent a lot of money on repairs. Plus it let her down on a trip (injector stuck open at 70K miles).

What do you folks think about the Stinger and G70?

Also, any advice on injectors on DI cars? 70K seems like low mileage for injector failure (she uses tectron fairly regularly).

JR

Stinger and G70 engineered by BMW engineers, that is why they are getting good review.
Injector can fail in any car.
BMW's are much more complex and at forefront of technology innovation. That usually means more issues, but you get what you pay. Stinger and G70 are not going to drive like BMW. If she just wants fast car, they will do job. However, they are far from being balanced as BMW, etc. But, might be more forgiving. So, question is: why she bought BMW and why she wants G70 and Stinger.


Have you driven both the Stinger and the G70? Or is this the blind fanboy in you talking?



In all honesty it probably doesn't matter as to whether the HK is balanced because the overwhelming majority of BMW owners don't drive their cars to the extent where balance matters anyways. I doubt the OP's daughter cares about balance. She just wants a nice riding reliable entry level luxury car.

True story: About 10 yrs ago allegedly BMW did a survey of its sedan owners which found that the majority didn't know their vehicle was RWD. That tells me owners didn't consider balance to be a deciding factor.

 

[MCompact]

Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.

 

[PimTac]

Have you checked insurance premiums for each car?

 

[Andrew1972]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


BMW sells M cars and overpriced packages for the enthusiasts. And makes tons off the leases of cars/CUV's to the rest.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by jrcowboys
Guys:

My daughter is looking at new cars and she liked the Kia Stinger, she also wants to look at the Genesis G70 (when available). She currently has 2012 BMW 335i, which she likes, but has spent a lot of money on repairs. Plus it let her down on a trip (injector stuck open at 70K miles).

What do you folks think about the Stinger and G70?

Also, any advice on injectors on DI cars? 70K seems like low mileage for injector failure (she uses tectron fairly regularly).

JR

Stinger and G70 engineered by BMW engineers, that is why they are getting good review.
Injector can fail in any car.
BMW's are much more complex and at forefront of technology innovation. That usually means more issues, but you get what you pay. Stinger and G70 are not going to drive like BMW. If she just wants fast car, they will do job. However, they are far from being balanced as BMW, etc. But, might be more forgiving. So, question is: why she bought BMW and why she wants G70 and Stinger.


Have you driven both the Stinger and the G70? Or is this the blind fanboy in you talking?

I actually did drive Stinger.
Do not get me wrong, it is good car. No, it cannot match BMW in ANY aspect, or Audi, or Mercedes etc.
Reason is that you cannot transfer institutional knowledge. Also, Hyundai is making too many compromises as their targeted audience is different. When I want to see how good car will perform in curves (forget 0-60, that is for XBOX generation, Lada can make car that is fast 0-60) first thing I want to see is where engine sits, what is weight distribution etc.
Making engine strong on paper and having 0-60 good time is easy to make. Heck, there are minivan that go 0-60 in 6 or 7 second range. My Sienna actually is probably as fast 0-60 as was my BMW X5 35d. But, there is huge difference between those two vehicles how they drive and feel.
I applaud Hyundai's attempt and I hope people will actually choose those cars over some Camry or Accord or whatever blend thing is out there.
Question for OP is why she bought BMW? If she bought it for looks etc. forget it. BMW requires to be on top of it with preventive maintenance. Hyundai will not drive as BMW, it will age inside much faster, but it might be more forgiving.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by madRiver
Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.


BMW sells M cars and overpriced packages for the enthusiasts. And makes tons off the leases of cars/CUV's to the rest.

Targeted audience for M cars are young professionals who made a lot of money and before that drove in Uber.
Most owners of M vehicles I saw do not know how to drive stick, they all buy dual clutch. If owner of M car is proud to have turbo in it, that is not enthusiast.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Sad to say, most BMW drivers are no longer enthusiasts; instead they are "wearers" who consider their car to be a fashion accessory- the folks who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.

Absolutely. The reason why BMW went to electromagnetic steering are those people. Reason why they put ceramic brakes is dust, which was by far largest complaint among owners. Forget lightning fast brake response, it is more important what neighbor might think of dirty wheels.
As for survey you mentioned, yes, I think 87% of BMW 1 series thought that their car is FWD. That is why BMW brough X1 from China, bcs. it could sell those people transverse engine and FWD platform. They do not know difference.

 

[MCompact]

The only newer BMW cars that I will consider are the M cars and the M Performance cars; long gone are the days when every new BMW actually drove like a BMW.