I've seen tgmo voa's and it looks like a stout oil. It's on the thinner side but has over a 200 vi. Most 0w20's I see are close to 200. Is tgmo the best? I know this is opinion based. But I was just curious
Is tgmo the best 0w20?
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I guess I'll be 1st, best at what?
If vehicle specs 0/20 & you can get it at $4/qt or less go for it.
If vehicle specs 0/20 & you can get it at $4/qt or less go for it.
Design a procedure to determine the answer to your question and you will be enshrined in the lubrication hall of fame as the guy with all the answers.
Originally Posted By: Kuato
+1 When someone can prove it shoot me a PM in case I missed the post.
+1 When someone can prove it shoot me a PM in case I missed the post.
Yes it's the best.
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
+1 When someone can prove it shoot me a PM in case I missed the post.
They send bad people out at night in Japans forest to find a little unicorn, they abuse it until it cries. They then collect the small vial of tears they send to Mobil for them to add to their product.
Originally Posted By: Kuato
+1 When someone can prove it shoot me a PM in case I missed the post.
They send bad people out at night in Japans forest to find a little unicorn, they abuse it until it cries. They then collect the small vial of tears they send to Mobil for them to add to their product.
Just a guess but I think Mobil 1 EP would be better since it's rated for 15k miles.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Kuato
+1 When someone can prove it shoot me a PM in case I missed the post.
They send bad people out at night in Japans forest to find a little unicorn, they abuse it until it cries. They then collect the small vial of tears they send to Mobil for them to add to their product.
So that's how they do it! I'll pass and stick with Mobil 1. I don't want to see Unicorns abused to make oil.
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
+1 When someone can prove it shoot me a PM in case I missed the post.
They send bad people out at night in Japans forest to find a little unicorn, they abuse it until it cries. They then collect the small vial of tears they send to Mobil for them to add to their product.
So that's how they do it! I'll pass and stick with Mobil 1. I don't want to see Unicorns abused to make oil.
Just curious on a car that specs 5w20. Not a Toyota but I was under the assumption it was a very good oil. In your opinion for a vehicle that specs 5w20 is a 0w an improvement? And if yes what is a good 0w that is easy to find. I have several Toyota dealers around me so that's why I was curious about it.
0w20 may offer a very small fuel economy bonus in all temperatures but where they really shine is in those upstate new York winters when you try to crank your car at negative temperatures, the synthetic 0w20 is going to flow much better than a mineral based 5w20, although 5w20 synthetics flow pretty well the 0w20 will be even better after a certain temperature and new York is certainly capable of extreme temperatures.
I would recommend Quaker State, Pennzoil Platinum or Mobil 1 AFE 0w20 if you want a good 0w20 and shop at Walmart.
Anything legit with an API SN resource conserving seal in the 0w20 grade should be good, I haven't seen a bad one yet, even Autozone carries a good 0w20.
I would recommend Quaker State, Pennzoil Platinum or Mobil 1 AFE 0w20 if you want a good 0w20 and shop at Walmart.
Anything legit with an API SN resource conserving seal in the 0w20 grade should be good, I haven't seen a bad one yet, even Autozone carries a good 0w20.
Any name brand 0w-20 synthetic is probably as good as any other. Anything beyond that is just personal preference. Besides, how would you ever know, even if there was a definition of "best", which there isn't? Marketing hype is not real world performance.
By the time you might figure out that one oil is better than the other in your subjective opinion, your car has been traded for something newer, anyhow.
In simple terms, brand name makes no difference except for the one that I have picked for my vehicles.
What makes a difference is your climate, driving habits and maintenance.
By the time you might figure out that one oil is better than the other in your subjective opinion, your car has been traded for something newer, anyhow.
In simple terms, brand name makes no difference except for the one that I have picked for my vehicles.
What makes a difference is your climate, driving habits and maintenance.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
0w20 may offer a very small fuel economy bonus in all temperatures but where they really shine is in those upstate new York winters when you try to crank your car at negative temperatures, the synthetic 0w20 is going to flow much better than a mineral based 5w20, although 5w20 synthetics flow pretty well the 0w20 will be even better after a certain temperature and new York is certainly capable of extreme temperatures.
I would recommend Quaker State, Pennzoil Platinum or Mobil 1 AFE 0w20 if you want a good 0w20 and shop at Walmart.
Anything legit with an API SN resource conserving seal in the 0w20 grade should be good, I haven't seen a bad one yet, even Autozone carries a good 0w20.
This past winter was our coldest in 100 years. Negative 25-30 for 2 weeks straight! Freaking cold!
0w20 may offer a very small fuel economy bonus in all temperatures but where they really shine is in those upstate new York winters when you try to crank your car at negative temperatures, the synthetic 0w20 is going to flow much better than a mineral based 5w20, although 5w20 synthetics flow pretty well the 0w20 will be even better after a certain temperature and new York is certainly capable of extreme temperatures.
I would recommend Quaker State, Pennzoil Platinum or Mobil 1 AFE 0w20 if you want a good 0w20 and shop at Walmart.
Anything legit with an API SN resource conserving seal in the 0w20 grade should be good, I haven't seen a bad one yet, even Autozone carries a good 0w20.
This past winter was our coldest in 100 years. Negative 25-30 for 2 weeks straight! Freaking cold!
TGMO is a very good oil. I have two vehicles specing 0W-20, a 2011 V6 Accord and a 2012 Sienna V6. The Accord has an OLM that goes to 0% at about 8000 miles and the Toyota just specs 10,000 mile OCI. I compared and tested TGMO vs Honda Genuine Full Synthetic and found the Toyota oil to be superior in these applications. Any Toyota dealer parts manager worth his salt will give a 15% discount on a case upon request.
But, my Costco has started stocking M1 0W-20 so I'm buying it on sale for $4.50/qt. TGMO arguably specs out better than M1 but in practice, especially with lowly stressed engines like I use it in, there will be no practical difference. I will and do use both with confidence.
But, my Costco has started stocking M1 0W-20 so I'm buying it on sale for $4.50/qt. TGMO arguably specs out better than M1 but in practice, especially with lowly stressed engines like I use it in, there will be no practical difference. I will and do use both with confidence.
Its a good oil, obsessing over the VI is not smart might as well obsess over the pour point or additives(of course you can only see/guess some of these)..
A very high VI oil is usually very good at fuel economy. But of course the excess VII's can always break down as deposits or shear.
And not all 0w20 are the same. I've noticed esp house brands made my ashland seem to discolor and shear quickly... even in low performance applications.
A very high VI oil is usually very good at fuel economy. But of course the excess VII's can always break down as deposits or shear.
And not all 0w20 are the same. I've noticed esp house brands made my ashland seem to discolor and shear quickly... even in low performance applications.
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I thought the vi was important as I've seen many people in here use it to say an oil is better than another.
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I thought the vi was important as I've seen many people in here use it to say an oil is better than another.
IMHO thats just wishful thinking by some posters.
Mobil makes it for them in the US market. If VI is so important Mobil surely could or would make a version with the same VI for themselves, after all Toyota does not have a patent on high VI engine oil.
My guess is its not that important once you get get VI number over 150-160 or somewhere in that area, thats the area many top shelf synthetics seem to be in.
which begs another question.. Does the higher quality base stock actually need as high a VI to perform the same?
IMO TGMO is just another thin 0w20 and nothing at all special. The total additive package is what counts.
I thought the vi was important as I've seen many people in here use it to say an oil is better than another.
IMHO thats just wishful thinking by some posters.
Mobil makes it for them in the US market. If VI is so important Mobil surely could or would make a version with the same VI for themselves, after all Toyota does not have a patent on high VI engine oil.
My guess is its not that important once you get get VI number over 150-160 or somewhere in that area, thats the area many top shelf synthetics seem to be in.
which begs another question.. Does the higher quality base stock actually need as high a VI to perform the same?
IMO TGMO is just another thin 0w20 and nothing at all special. The total additive package is what counts.
I'd say that it's reasonably possible that TGMO 0w20 is the best 0w20 oil for Toyotas.
I suspect Toyota engineers, working with Mobil, know what they are doing. I doubt they would go to the trouble of formulating something so different if they didn't have a reason to think that it was the best oil for their vehicles including hybrids. Of course, take into account that they have to formulate an oil for a wide wide range of usage scenarios eg hybrids in stop start service in cold weather to constant desert driving.
And since TGMO 0w20 is only available at dealers, it's also part of the marketing to persuade customers to go to the dealer to get "genuine" service. Just as almost every other brand have genuine lubricants and other official products.
I suspect Toyota engineers, working with Mobil, know what they are doing. I doubt they would go to the trouble of formulating something so different if they didn't have a reason to think that it was the best oil for their vehicles including hybrids. Of course, take into account that they have to formulate an oil for a wide wide range of usage scenarios eg hybrids in stop start service in cold weather to constant desert driving.
And since TGMO 0w20 is only available at dealers, it's also part of the marketing to persuade customers to go to the dealer to get "genuine" service. Just as almost every other brand have genuine lubricants and other official products.
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