Hy-Per lube oil additive
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Originally Posted By: bbhero
Well roll with it then
Nothing wrong at all with running a monograde oil. I may well do that this summer in the lady's Camry. I did it last summer and it did very good on it.
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Runs well in my beater smooth and quiet oil consumption is down but i did add 1 bottle of schaeffer's #132 moly ep.
Fuel economy is a little better maybe .2-.4 mpg BUT that might be because the fuel stations have switched back to summer blend.
Well roll with it then
Nothing wrong at all with running a monograde oil. I may well do that this summer in the lady's Camry. I did it last summer and it did very good on it.
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Runs well in my beater smooth and quiet oil consumption is down but i did add 1 bottle of schaeffer's #132 moly ep.
Fuel economy is a little better maybe .2-.4 mpg BUT that might be because the fuel stations have switched back to summer blend.
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Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
MolaKule: thoughts on timing chain protection?
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
MolaKule: thoughts on timing chain protection?
MolaKule
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Originally Posted By: mbacfp
Interested as well Molakule. Is there a paper I can read on this tech? Thanks for your expertise.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pola.22994
Interested as well Molakule. Is there a paper I can read on this tech? Thanks for your expertise.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pola.22994
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
MolaKule: thoughts on timing chain protection?
No more or no less effective than ZDDP.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
MolaKule: thoughts on timing chain protection?
No more or no less effective than ZDDP.
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Thanks …
Polymer esters lower the activation temperature of ZDDP. Check out the link I posted above to read more about these esters.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
MolaKule: thoughts on timing chain protection?
No more or no less effective than ZDDP.
Are there any negative ramifications to the life expectancy of catalytic converters (and/or oxygen sensors and other emission system components) like there are with ZDDP?
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive.
At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
MolaKule: thoughts on timing chain protection?
No more or no less effective than ZDDP.
Are there any negative ramifications to the life expectancy of catalytic converters (and/or oxygen sensors and other emission system components) like there are with ZDDP?
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Originally Posted By: wag123
Are there any negative ramifications to the life expectancy of catalytic converters (and/or oxygen sensors and other emission system components) like there are with ZDDP?
Nope. It's the phosphorus in ZDDP that fouls catalysts, and polymer esters don't have any.
Are there any negative ramifications to the life expectancy of catalytic converters (and/or oxygen sensors and other emission system components) like there are with ZDDP?
Nope. It's the phosphorus in ZDDP that fouls catalysts, and polymer esters don't have any.
Originally Posted By: mbacfp
Generally speaking, is this product better used in oils with Zinc and Phosphorous levels less than 1,000 ppm? Don't want to compete with Zinc if the host oil has "adequate" amounts. Appreciate the discussion and advice.
Hyper Lube ZRA is still effective in high-ZDDP oils. Its due to the lowered temperature of activation of the protective tribofilm, reported by:
http://vento.com.vn/docs/en/Surfactants/Lubricant additive/Lubricant Additive.pdf
... and in JAG's reference:
Originally Posted By: JAG
I use it too. Polymer esters are fascinating.
https://books.google.com/books?id=9YXRBQ...ear&f=false
Basically, ZDDP alone in oil needs a lot of heat and pressure to activate, and polymer esters help out by starting to work at colder temperatures, like during the important engine start-up phase.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive. At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
Generally speaking, is this product better used in oils with Zinc and Phosphorous levels less than 1,000 ppm? Don't want to compete with Zinc if the host oil has "adequate" amounts. Appreciate the discussion and advice.
Hyper Lube ZRA is still effective in high-ZDDP oils. Its due to the lowered temperature of activation of the protective tribofilm, reported by:
http://vento.com.vn/docs/en/Surfactants/Lubricant additive/Lubricant Additive.pdf
... and in JAG's reference:
Originally Posted By: JAG
I use it too. Polymer esters are fascinating.
https://books.google.com/books?id=9YXRBQ...ear&f=false
Basically, ZDDP alone in oil needs a lot of heat and pressure to activate, and polymer esters help out by starting to work at colder temperatures, like during the important engine start-up phase.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: jakewells
any problem using the whole bottle with 5 qts of oil?
One has to not overtreat as it could compete with the ZDDP AW additive. At 1 oz per quart, it is synergistic with ZDDP.
Thank you oil_film_movies. I was just about to post the link you did. It shows benefit with an API SH additive package (rich in ZDDP) and with an oil with only 500 PPM of phosphorus from ZDDP. In my earlier link that you also posted, the oil had 1% ZDDP. My opinion is if you don’t mind the cost of this additive, use it, regardless of how much ZDDP is in your motor oil.
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Basically, ZDDP alone in oil needs a lot of heat and pressure to activate, and polymer esters help out by starting to work at colder temperatures, like during the important engine start-up phase.
Yes, but a ferrous-phosphate surface film had formed during the previous engine operation.
Take a cold engine on start-up. There are localized surface pressures high enough to heat the oil film instantaneously.
Basically, ZDDP alone in oil needs a lot of heat and pressure to activate, and polymer esters help out by starting to work at colder temperatures, like during the important engine start-up phase.
Yes, but a ferrous-phosphate surface film had formed during the previous engine operation.
Take a cold engine on start-up. There are localized surface pressures high enough to heat the oil film instantaneously.
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Take a cold engine on start-up. There are localized surface pressures high enough to heat the oil film instantaneously when the engine starts rotating AND when the oil film starts to shear.
I.e., both radial pressures and film shear give rise to localized oil heating.
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Take a cold engine on start-up. There are localized surface pressures high enough to heat the oil film instantaneously when the engine starts rotating AND when the oil film starts to shear.
I.e., both radial pressures and film shear give rise to localized oil heating.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, this particular product doesn't actually contain Zinc?
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