CAFE Standards in the US and Oil Grades

My limited information is that NASCAR Sprint Cup engines use an oil with an 8.5 to 9.5 cSt@100C kinematic viscosity
while NASCAR Pro Stock uses an oil with a 4.5 cSt@100C viscosity.

Nascar Pro Stock engine oil cooling systems keep the oil temps to down around 45C while NASCAR Sprint Cup engines run at about 105C.
 
Yes I seem to remember something along those lines. Gotta be something like a 0w8 for qualifying and then like you mentioned something thicker for the actual race.

Qualifying engines are sacrificial. As long as it makes it a few qualifying laps it's done it's job.
 
My limited information is that NASCAR Sprint Cup engines use an oil with an 8.5 to 9.5 cSt@100C kinematic viscosity
while NASCAR Pro Stock uses an oil with a 4.5 cSt@100C viscosity.

Nascar Pro Stock engine oil cooling systems keep the oil temps to down around 45C while NASCAR Sprint Cup engines run at about 105C.
Nascar Pro stocks are street stock type cars. Wet sump with an oil cooler if wanted. They run oil temps ALOT hotter than 113*F.
The 602 crate is an approved engine and GM wants 15w-50 in it. Oil temp in that engine usually runs 20*-30* hotter than water temp.
The open engines are about the same.
 
Funny, the 5w30 I use is a RC pcmo A5/B5= 3.3 hths.

A PCMO 5W-30 that is not either a GF-5/GF-6 type (2.9 minimum and usually 3.05-3.20 ) or an A3 type (3.5 minimum) is extremely rare in the USA.

Some exceptions exist but they are not mainstream products here and usually only available from a vehicle manufacturer or specialist.

Not many vehicles that specify an oil in that middle ground in our market.
 
Ask the Pro Stock guys why they run 0W-3 if it adds no meaningful power. I would say it's been pretty well proven it's faster than the 20W-50 they ran years ago.
Adds power? Perhaps the better explanation is less parasitic drag, hence a wee bit more power to the wheels?
 
Adds power? Perhaps the better explanation is less parasitic drag, hence a wee bit more power to the wheels?

Doesn't really matter whether you measure at the wheels or flywheel as per SAE, more is more. I don't know of a practical way to measure power prior to all the losses an internal combustion engine experiences if that's what you are alluding to.
 
The United States is a far harsher climate than Europe so it is kind of silly to compare their choice of oil. Temperatures here range from 115F to -45F. It is a huge country. Many parts are extremely arid and dusty, while others are wet. Cherry picking an owners manual to claim that some other country's oil recommendation is right and your own country's is wrong, is unconvincing.
Wuuut?

EU stretches from Nordkapp to ""European"" part of Turkey or Malta down on deep south...

And it has roads like Autobahn in Germany to dusty roads on deep south or everywhere in between...

Go back to elementary school and participate at geography this time!
 
5W-30 IS CAFE!! In the 1980's, there were blurbs in many (mainly GM) manuals that said "5W-30 is not recommended for sustained highway operation" yet today it's a "thick" oil. And whether your bearing clearances statement is true or not, many engines starting in the 1990's relied more on OHC and DOHC for efficiency and to balance the incremental increases in horsepower with the demands for greater fuel economy, and I am pretty sure OEM's wanted oils that "flowed faster to the top of the motor", or so we were told in quickie lube training, irregardless of whatever the standard statement of "there is a coating of oil left in the upper parts of a motor anyways" or not...



I agree more or less. But slightly thicker oils in Europe also comes into play in regards to extended OCIs, no one wants a 20W when the 30W may well sheer down after 10K and the 20W may get close to a 15W in an extended interval, all hypothetical of course...
You are mixing "yours" API /ILSAC 5w30 with "our" ACEA 5w30..... Dont you?
 
"One also needs to look at how temperatures are being measured. Official NOAA values are excellent. There is no European NOAA i'm aware of. Every country has its own weather agency. And they do not share their data for free like NOAA does. So these weather apps often will take unofficial readings from ill-situated private weather stations. So if you look at weather data on the internet from abroad you will need to take those with more than a grain of salt."
 
Wuuut?

EU stretches from Nordkapp to ""European"" part of Turkey or Malta down on deep south...

And it has roads like Autobahn in Germany to dusty roads on deep south or everywhere in between...

Go back to elementary school and participate at geography this time!


It’s been a long time since I’ve been in school but is Nordkapp a country? Never heard of it.

I hear the roads in East Germany are not very good.
 
Nordkapp is the northernmost point of Europe....it is in Norway

Yes East Germany....you can definitely feel the difference when you "cross" the border...although border doesnt exist! :)

But we have harsher roads....to the east!

Was once in Mandok-Hungary (i wont forget that to the rest of my life) :D
 
A PCMO 5W-30 that is not either a GF-5/GF-6 type (2.9 minimum and usually 3.05-3.20 ) or an A3 type (3.5 minimum) is extremely rare in the USA.

Some exceptions exist but they are not mainstream products here and usually only available from a vehicle manufacturer or specialist.

Not many vehicles that specify an oil in that middle ground in our market.
Gene, the oil I am referring to has the API starburst so it's not a specialty oil. I believe Valvoline, QSUD and Mobil all produce mainstream engine oils with higher hths that still fall into the RC category. Amsoil OE 5w30 is 3.3 hths API starburst labeled and Resource Conserving, A5/B5. Cheers.
 
Gene, the oil I am referring to has the API starburst so it's not a specialty oil. I believe Valvoline, QSUD and Mobil all produce mainstream engine oils with higher hths that still fall into the RC category. Amsoil OE 5w30 is 3.3 hths API starburst labeled and Resource Conserving, A5/B5. Cheers.

The oils I'm familiar with are rarely above 3.2 HTHS. The only one that came to mind was Castrol Professional. Perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. What would be the M1 that is 3.3 HTHS? EP 5W-30 HM perhaps?
 
The oils I'm familiar with are rarely above 3.2 HTHS. The only one that came to mind was Castrol Professional. Perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. What would be the M1 that is 3.3 HTHS? EP 5W-30 HM perhaps?
I'd have to look it up Gene. I'll try to get that to you though.
 
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