Biobased Synthetic Motor Oil Using High-Oleic Soybean Oil

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The biobased alternative is well suited for high-temperature automotive and industrial applications. USB introduced the product to multiple Washington, D.C. region fleets, including DC Water that field tested the motor oil. DC Water concluded the test to be successful with the biobased motor oil, demonstrating strong performance, improved fuel efficiency, and cleaner engines when compared to the petroleum-based oil they had previously used. The Smithsonian Institution, Arlington County, Va., and Prince George's County, Md. also reported success with the biobased motor oil after participating in a trial.....

The Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) Aviation in coordination with the Air Force and the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Sustainment conducted an 18-month limited field demonstration project to evaluate synthetic biobased motor oil in non-tactical Department of Defense and federal agency vehicles with gasoline-powered engines. The effort included analysis of oil samples. It concluded: "The demonstrated biobased full synthetic motor oils were found to meet or exceed the DoD and federal agencies performance requirements."

Participants In the demonstration Included:

Air Force Bases: Fairchild; Luke; Malstrom, and Seymour Johnson
Army: Fort Irwin
Navy: Naval Air Station Lemoore
Department of Homeland Security: Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
National Aeronautics and Space Administration: Kennedy Space Center; Langley Research Center; Armstrong Flight Research Center, and White Sands Test Facility
United States Postal Service
The USAF 441st Vehicle Support Chain Operations Squadron provided access to Air Force Vehicles in various climates.
 
How is this substantively different than the Renewable Lubes products I was using in the fleet a decade ago? Many US federal agency offices were using their product at that time (don't know anything about the count these days).
 
Wow! Back to the Castor oil days of two stoke racing bikes in the 60's. Loved the smell of the exhaust but hated the tear down after each race to clean all the oil gum from the engine.
 
It's the future regardless, at some point ground oil will run out. If the base oil survives the atsm's, I don't care of it is bio based, some bio based are the highest performing base oils made. Ester / Bio oil mixes will be the future and higher quality then we have now, and the only reason it isn't fact now is cost and effort to make, and that's it. I don't prefer the politics of the doomsayers, but this just makes good sense all the way around. I would like production of these oil sources continuing to expand exponentially. I hate ethanol as well, but no doubt that is coming too, instead of 10/90 it's going to be 85/15 and that will be fact, it is simply a matter of time.
 
Originally Posted by burla
It's the future regardless, at some point ground oil will run out. If the base oil survives the atsm's, I don't care of it is bio based, some bio based are the highest performing base oils made. Ester / Bio oil mixes will be the future and higher quality then we have now, and the only reason it isn't fact now is cost and effort to make, and that's it. I don't prefer the politics of the doomsayers, but this just makes good sense all the way around. I would like production of these oil sources continuing to expand exponentially. I hate ethanol as well, but no doubt that is coming too, instead of 10/90 it's going to be 85/15 and that will be fact, it is simply a matter of time.


Agreed
 
like corn thats mostly GMO and very unhealthy, soy products should NOT be consumed by men wanting to stay manly!! gotta use poor foods somewhere!!
 
Strip-mining the surface of the Earth for oil is one of the stupidest things we've come up with. This is not 'coming' until or unless demand (usage?) drops to a small fraction of what it is today. There is neither sufficient acceptable land (the 'easy' food-producing land is always used first) nor sufficient water to replace crude oil, coal, and natural gas.
 
I wonder if longer term testing is underway?

How many acres of these soybeans would it take to produce a meaningful percentage of our oil needs? Would these soybean crops supplant current food crops?

Lots of questions.
 
It is 26% bean oil. (Insert standard "strange back-firing noises caused by the bean oil" joke here.)
https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3Aeac200a9-0fe4-4bac-aedd-0b543ce6e99d
OK SN-RC approval.
Clean engine porn pictures.
 
By the way, the world has now surpassed 100 million bbls of oil consumption per day. The official number for 2019 is 101 million bbls per day. Making lubricating oils from food is pretty silly but power on!
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Originally Posted by burla
It's the future regardless, at some point ground oil will run out.


Not in your lifetime or mine and perhaps never. I predict that the move away from oil will be driven not by lack of oil resource but by lack of acceptance of it as an energy source. When the last oil rig switches out the lights there will still be billions of gallons of oil left in the ground. No, it is not an infinite resource but it is way bigger than most people realise - the main constraint is the effort and cost of getting to it.

Someone has pointed out above - where will we grow all the plants needed to fuel society? And feed it? I'm not against bio-based oil, far from it, but let's use a little reality check. Advance the technology and see where we get to, but in the mean time remember that the planet has over 7 billion people and is growing fast - they all want food, energy, comfort, medicines etc - it has to come from somewhere so let's focus on doing what we can with renewables resources whilst keeping the lights and heaters and life support machines turned on as efficiently as possible using what we have.

The answer to all this is going to be a mix of sources and it's going to blend in and out over time. But I predict we will not run out of oil.
 
Originally Posted by burla
It's the future regardless, at some point ground oil will run out.


This is not true. Earth produces oil constantly via its abiotic process. This has even been seen as they go back to analyze "empty" oil fields and find they have been replenished with oil. The oil will not run out as long as we can keep consumption under the planet's production rate.

I'm all for alternative energy research but lets not perpetuate falsehoods with regards to the current state of affairs.
 
Originally Posted by badtlc
This is not true. Earth produces oil constantly via its abiotic process. This has even been seen as they go back to analyze "empty" oil fields and find they have been replenished with oil. The oil will not run out as long as we can keep consumption under the planet's production rate.

I'm all for alternative energy research but lets not perpetuate falsehoods with regards to the current state of affairs.


Abiotic oil has been largely debunked, or at best if it does occur it is likely to be in small amounts in places currently unreachable.

Oil fields are dynamic - when oil is extracted from a reservoir most of it is left behind, even with water flooding and other enhanced recovery techniques. Production is generally stopped when the cost and effort of recovery exceeds the value of the oil extracted. When left alone the remaining oil will redistribute itself. Also, if a well is shut down as uneconomic it sometimes becomes worth reopening it if, for example, the oil price rises to a point that it becomes worth the effort.
 
Originally Posted by weasley


Abiotic oil has been largely debunked, or at best if it does occur it is likely to be in small amounts in places currently unreachable.



All the current studies support abiotic oil. There is currently no evidence to support the limited fossil based theory. Even NASA's findings throughout the solar system over the last decade support the abiotic theory.

Giora at the University of Washington has much more research on the subject. There is no smoking gun at this point to discredit abiotic theory, only mountains of evidence supporting it.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
I wonder if longer term testing is underway?

How many acres of these soybeans would it take to produce a meaningful percentage of our oil needs? Would these soybean crops supplant current food crops?

Lots of questions.

How true! I remember when the first corn products were converted to ethanol. People were screaming that we were converting food to fuel. BTW: we are the only mammals that consume soy beans.
 
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
BTW: we are the only mammals that consume soy beans.
The mammals 64 million years ago (post KT Boundary) ate legumes out of pods that looked about like soybeans. Its an old mammal food. https://www.5280.com/2019/10/ground...to-mammals-after-dinosaurs-went-extinct/

Maybe true 64 million years ago but where I lived I was surrounded by thousands of acres of corn and soy bean fields. Lots of wildlife but none of them touched the soy beans.
 
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