2019 Tundra ATF.... Burned?
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They don’t but Mobil does
That is incorrect. TRANSMAX full synthetic states it is certified by Ford, GM and Toyota. It says so right on the bottle. You seem to be starting with an unshakeable belief that is not supported by the reality of the product labeling.
My 2019 has one.
Yep that's what it says, a good case of obfuscation and weasel-wording by Castrol.
But of course what does "certified" mean anyway? Certified by Castrol perhaps, which means exactly the same as "recommended for" by Aisin or Valvoline.
But of course what does "certified" mean anyway? Certified by Castrol perhaps, which means exactly the same as "recommended for" by Aisin or Valvoline.
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20th of January 2020 PDS:
I don't see a single fluid that's approved by Toyota in that whole MSDS/PDS repository? It's recommended for WS applications however.
This is the product on their website:
PRODUCT FINDER | HOME
applications.castrol.com
This is the PDS:
Note this language from the first link:
Castrol said:
Which is likely the basis for what you see on the back of the bottle.
From the PDS:
So clearly, because it is JASO-1A approved, it is "recommended for" the Toyota application, which that approval makes it appropriate for.
Not that I wouldn't use either the Castrol or the Valvoline product, I have used and continue to use both in all my vehicles except the ECHO and the VW.
2021 and some late 20' do not
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I could be completely wrong, but I think of JASO like ACEA, where the OEM's are all involved and agree on what determines the approvals, however, on top of that, they are able to have their own approvals and most do. It appears the difference is that while the Euro OEM's for engine oils readily approve products that pass their protocols, that's not the case with transmission fluids pretty much across the board. It's really only the domestic marques that license aftermarket fluids, the rest appear to be "recommended for" beyond JASO, including for the European vehicles, just going by what I see on the Mobil website.
That's my impression too, only NA market uses that term. Licensing means $$$.
Not necessarily. We do not know that and that is constantly pushed by companies that do not license or approve any fluid.
Same goes for approval of European engine fluids. There is always someone who claims how it is expensive, when opposite is true.
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Actually if you read the product sheet it is perfectly clear and concise. I have personally used the Vavloline multi ATF for years with no issues in many vehicles. I have every reason to believe Castrol Multi ATF is no different. Both products can be used on any Japanese vehicle that require the JASO 1A specification.
I only mention this because it will save the end user a lot of money when compared to vehicle specific fluid and meet all the warranty requirements. Also the multi ATF products are so much nicer to keep in the garage. 1 bottle for everything you own that has an automatic transmission (except CVT).
I was referring to the label not the PDS. Yes the PDS is clear.
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I'm going to wait and see what Blackstone has to say about the health of my ATF.
I've gathered adding the ATF cooler shouldn't void the warranty since it's built from genuine Toyota parts but IF I have an issue and had swapped ATF to another brand which I'm still confused about Toyota could conceivably refuse to honor the warranty without a bunch of rigamarole.....
IF I decided to use the highly touted Amsoil how do I confirm it's an exact replacement spec wise? I gather ATF has a WS designation but are there other more concise numbers that match up? Looks like there's various flavors of WS....
Thanks!
I'm going to wait and see what Blackstone has to say about the health of my ATF.
I've gathered adding the ATF cooler shouldn't void the warranty since it's built from genuine Toyota parts but IF I have an issue and had swapped ATF to another brand which I'm still confused about Toyota could conceivably refuse to honor the warranty without a bunch of rigamarole.....
IF I decided to use the highly touted Amsoil how do I confirm it's an exact replacement spec wise? I gather ATF has a WS designation but are there other more concise numbers that match up? Looks like there's various flavors of WS....
Thanks!