2 yr XG7317/ 20K /3 OCI's/ HPL engine cleaner

[UncleDave]

Filter is 24 months old and approx 20K miles over 3 OCI's a 10K, an 8K, and a 2K.
The last 2K was fresh for the HPL to clean into.

Filter has ZERO issues, one ugly pleat, no separation, wiggling, tears, ADBV was intact, and the bypass was sealed.

Surprisingly despite a 58K diet of very high quality SN and SP there is a bit of carbonaceous residue in the bottom of the can.

Not as much as what overkill had, but some.
HPL cleaned out something, where it came from who knows my guess would be ring packs.
Ive never seen anything like this before in the Honda, the lexus yes, but not the honda.

Filtermag caught a visible but minor amount amount particles.

 

[53' Stude]

Looks very good. I Thank You for great photos. I’m guessing another Fram ultra went on?

 

[fantastic]

Filter held up well over 20k & there was some visible debris as you mentioned. Good exercise! Is this the longest filter run you've had on your Honda?

 

[UncleDave]

Filter held up well over 20k & there was some visible debris as you mentioned. Good exercise! Is this the longest filter run you've had on your Honda?

Ive run 20K on all them (except the very first factory filter) as per the direction of the maintenance minder

 

[UncleDave]

Looks very good. I Thank You for great photos. I’m guessing another Fram ultra went on?

Yes sir - out of my stash of old school FRU XG7317's.

 

[fantastic]

Ive run 20K on all them (except the very first factory filter) as per the direction of the maintenance minder

Thanks! Did you cut the others open & was there more debris in this filter this round?

 

[UncleDave]

Thanks! Did you cut the others open & was there more debris in this filter this round?

Yes sir.

I've never seen hard agglomerated material in the can like this last run from this vehicle. Even towing 5K in blazing 100+ temps.

There isnt much but whats there is pretty nasty.

I'm guessing this came from the ring lands built up during periods of VCM 3 cylinder running which I often get on long downhills, I live in the mountains so every run gets a full warmup on the way up and basically coasts back home.

 

[ZZman]

I love seeing what my Filtermags catch. obviously it catches small particles the filter can't catch.

 

[LazyDog]

You going or thinking about disabling the VCM???

 

[UncleDave]

You going or thinking about disabling the VCM???

Nope. Im going to gamble I can keep it trouble free vs an aftermarket override.

What I am going to do is make sure I keep the rings clean which is the largest of the base problem VCM causes.
While Im at it I'll try to keep the intake track as free from carbon buildup as I can.

I'm switching to premium products as the non premium but properly spec'd products allowed build up (from somewhere) to occur inside the factory maintenance specs.

Ill look at the intake tract at belt change time.

 

[UncleDave]

After some draining time....

 

[Shel_B]

Filter has ZERO issues, one ugly pleat, no separation, wiggling, tears, ADBV was intact, and the bypass was sealed.

No tears? What am I missing?

 

[UncleDave]

No tears? What am I missing?

View attachment 149630

Thats pooled oil.

 

[Shel_B]

Thats pooled oil.

Please explain how pooled oil is blue and matches the background material and seems to run vertically along a seam. I'm really curious about what I'm seeing here, and since no one else has mentioned it I can accept that what I appear to be seeing is not what's actually taking place. I just need a clear explanation. Pooled oil isn't quite doing it for me.

 

[UncleDave]

Solid as a rock if ugly. Id gleefully report a failure. No brand is sacred to me.

Im struggling to find any material in the medium but well see when it dries a bit more.

 

[UncleDave]

Please explain how pooled oil is blue and matches the background material and seems to run vertically along a seam. I'm really curious about what I'm seeing here, and since no one else has mentioned it I can accept that what I appear to be seeing is not what's actually taking place. I just need a clear explanation. Pooled oil isn't quite doing it for me.

That bright spot is reflecting the window in front of it.

At first I thought it was my garage light but its the window.

You can see the outline of the window frame and the center of the window where it latches. I went back to the camera original because I was curious myself.

That was taken immediately as I pulled the element inside on the bench.

 

[Shel_B]

That bright spot is reflecting the light above it.

That was taken immediately as I pulled the element inside on the bench.

Yes, I magnified the images quite a bit and noticed a slight blue line in that area in the last image you posted. I was thinking it might just be reflected light. Thanks!

 

[xgmad]

Nope. Im going to gamble I can keep it trouble free vs an aftermarket override.

You are still going to have to change the torque convertor at one point, the lockup clutch in the torque convertor slips when vcm activates to smoothen out the 6 to 3 cylinder deactivation process.

 

[UncleDave]

You are still going to have to change the torque convertor at one point, the lockup clutch in the torque convertor slips when vcm activates to smoothen out the 6 to 3 cylinder deactivation process.

Best I can do is keep the trans clean I change 100% every 30K.

As an aside - I also service the IVTM4 overdrive differential using the mountain schedule its 3% overdriven and that comes out of the packs.

 

[UncleDave]

You are still going to have to change the torque convertor at one point, the lockup clutch in the torque convertor slips when vcm activates to smoothen out the 6 to 3 cylinder deactivation process.

On this - how is the temporary unlocking for the VCM enable disable harder on it than pulling from a hard 1,2 up or down shift?

It's under far less load at than say if you are towing something and upshifting under load.