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#785623 - 12/10/06 10:59 PM New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69
damanwitdaplan Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 107
Loc: DC
Thats right! I have no clue what the mysterious "Deposit Shield" phrase means...but its apparently worth an extra buck per quart to the Chevron/Texaco guys...

Anyone know how it compares with the tried and true Havoline? Is it worth stocking up on the current stuff or wait and pay more for the "new and improved" version? I hope whats inside the bottle is as cool as its new look!

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#785624 - 12/10/06 11:03 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
Back up the tractor trailer for the current stuff priced at $1.55 at Advance Auto.

Sounds like ChevronTexaco just hired a bunch of fresh out of college marketing grads.

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#785625 - 12/10/06 11:11 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
damanwitdaplan Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 107
Loc: DC
I like the plan Drew. Everyone check this link out:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:wuNm...t=clnk&cd=8

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#785626 - 12/10/06 11:18 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
AndyH Offline


Registered: 11/07/04
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Loc: MSP 'burbs, MN


Edited by AndyH (12/10/06 11:29 PM)
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#785627 - 12/10/06 11:26 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: AndyH]
damanwitdaplan Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 107
Loc: DC
Notice the article states that "it represents a significant change in the chemistry of the product".

I hate ambiguities but the Chevron guys are no nonsense people as their products have proven. I wonder what this "significant change" translates to in terms of real engine protection. I am almost inclined to wait for the new product rather than stock up on old Havoline based on nothing but faith in the brand...

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#785628 - 12/10/06 11:39 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Yeah, yeah, they probably took all the moly out..

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#785629 - 12/10/06 11:40 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
m2200b Offline


Registered: 08/28/05
Posts: 1574
Loc: Alamo, CA
If you can buy Chevron supreme where you live now
I don't see any reason to stockpile old school Havo
unless clearance priced. Those with Chevron Supreme oil will just get another choice for more dollars.

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#785630 - 12/10/06 11:43 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Old product? This is a BTW..

Check out the VOA on Havoline, Damen. The flashpoints rivals that of the synthetics. Lots of moly, it's probably a synthetic blend to hit the pour points and flashpoints it carries not to mention SPI SM and ILSAC GF4.. For 2.00 a quart.

Faith in the brand doesn't make it blind. The golden age of DINO has passed..

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#785631 - 12/10/06 11:56 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
damanwitdaplan Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 107
Loc: DC
Long live DINO! But you're right toocrazy. I can see the writing on the wall...there will come a day when synthetic oil becomes the only oil you can buy...as soon as dino supplies drop and prices go up...just probably not in our lifetime...

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#785632 - 12/11/06 12:03 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
m2200b Offline


Registered: 08/28/05
Posts: 1574
Loc: Alamo, CA
I'd guess the additives are targeting beating GTX and marketing is hoping to get a price closer to GTX for it.
Hopefully Chevron throws in Pennzoil type rebates to buy market share and give me a lower price than 2.69 to try their new chemistry.

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#785633 - 12/11/06 12:25 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Marketing yada-yada.. The only unvarnished (pardon the pun) truth in the article is the last sentence..

Quote:

"Havoline with Deposit Shield simply helps prevent deposits from building up in the first place; as if your shoe had a nonstick coating."
Her simple analogy is consistent with consumer testing that she says reveals that the non-technical customer understands the objective even if they don't know, or don't care, about the technology behind it.
The technology is based on detergent technology that provides improved oil stability the creates a protective coating that shields against deposit formation.
Havoline will be offering its new Deposit Shield formula in conventional, high-mileage and synthetic-blend formulas, which are available in quarts and a new gallon size. Townley did say that the introduction will be accompanied by a price increase.



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#785634 - 12/11/06 01:37 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
Lonnie Offline


Registered: 10/17/06
Posts: 2304
Loc: Los Angles, CA
Could it be that they are telling the truth?

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#785635 - 12/11/06 01:50 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Lonnie]
forcedtalon Offline


Registered: 12/24/03
Posts: 301
Loc: cary, IL
Ha Ha they must have put some little umbrelllas in there oil. What a joke.
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#785636 - 12/11/06 01:51 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Lonnie]
Hermann Offline


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 2321
Loc: Kansas City
They probably are. But if you can take it to the next level for only 50 cents more or so, lets do it. I'll bet it is probably a Grp2+, Grp3 blend. Should be good oil.
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#785637 - 12/11/06 03:12 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Hermann]
flux Offline


Registered: 05/04/05
Posts: 164
Loc: Oregon
Quote:

They probably are. But if you can take it to the next level for only 50 cents more or so, lets do it. I'll bet it is probably a Grp2+, Grp3 blend. Should be good oil.





I hope, but like anything, time will tell.

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#785638 - 12/11/06 03:20 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: flux]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29114
Loc: NJ
I agree with toocrazy. The SM GF-4 spec should have addressed the deposit issue. Using a high quality synthetic from the start would be the best choice if you're willing to spend the $$.
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#785639 - 12/11/06 05:06 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: buster]
Ray H Offline


Registered: 01/16/03
Posts: 4478
Loc: Southern California
I agree with your and TC2Y's comments that current API certification probably require better detergent/dispersants than any previous certification, buster. But, anything can be improved. Kudos to BP and Chevron at not waiting until the next service category to release even better cleaning chemistry. Maybe think "SM½"?

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#785640 - 12/11/06 05:12 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: buster]
damanwitdaplan Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 107
Loc: DC
Guys, I just bit the bullet and loaded-up on Havoline at 1.55/quart at AAP. Bought enough to last me 2 years.

That should be enough time for us to decide whether the "Deposit shield" is a hoax to justify the increase in price or not. They'll eventually get me, but 2 years is a mighty long time!

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#785641 - 12/11/06 05:43 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
Hermann Offline


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 2321
Loc: Kansas City
Quote:

Guys, I just bit the bullet and loaded-up on Havoline at 1.55/quart at AAP. Bought enough to last me 2 years.




I still have 19 qts of "Old SM" Havoline. I'll bet by the time I run out the new Havoline will be a promotion item for $1.99 or less. BOGO's are nice too. It not like it is a bad oil.
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#785642 - 12/11/06 05:51 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Hermann]
-Clayton- Offline


Registered: 10/27/05
Posts: 1261
Loc: KY
I'm all worried now, Havoline is my favorite dino. Watch it end up looking like Valvoline AC on paper. Why can't they leave well enough alone! I guess I'm going back to pennzoil for now.
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#785643 - 12/11/06 06:03 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: -Clayton-]
Mokanic Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1563
Loc: North Carolina, USA
Havoline Deposit Shield= 2.69qt.
Schaeffer 7000 Blend = 3.25qt.
difference = 0.56qt.

I think the new Havoline will be at a disadvantage to other oils that are marketed as blends. The plain old black bottle was hard to beat for the price.

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#785644 - 12/11/06 06:06 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Hermann]
gonesurfing Offline


Registered: 10/22/06
Posts: 203
Loc: Eastern North Carolina
Quote:

They probably are. But if you can take it to the next level for only 50 cents more or so, lets do it. I'll bet it is probably a Grp2+, Grp3 blend. Should be good oil.




I ran the term "Havoline Deposit Shield" through Google, and the first result gave this info. Kind of a strange place for this info to appear.

http://www.chick-fil-abowl.com/dnn/Volun...74/Default.aspx

Quote: "The new Havoline with Deposit Shield is formulated with Group II Base Oil technology and a superior detergent package that will shield a car’s engine against the enemy - carbon deposits – with its protective coating."

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#785645 - 12/11/06 06:35 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: gonesurfing]
mshu7 Offline


Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1028
Loc: Brownsburg, IN 46112
Glad I just bought 48 qts. of Havoline at AAP over the weekend for $1.55/qt.
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#785646 - 12/11/06 07:24 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: -Clayton-]
LT4 Vette Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 12246
Loc: USA
Hopefully when the 'new' Havoline bottle comes out , they closeout the bottles with the old design.

I was lucky to get 73 quarts of Havoline Synthetic and 20 quarts of Havoline HM when AAP got rid of both oils.

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#785647 - 12/11/06 07:46 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: LT4 Vette]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Quote:

"The new Havoline with Deposit Shield is formulated with Group II Base Oil technology and a superior detergent package that will shield a car’s engine against the enemy - carbon deposits – with its protective coating."




Protective coating? Pull-LEEZE...

They're kidding, right? Reminds me of Hellman's Mayonaise with it's New! Improved! on the label.

Think I'm gonna go grab a couple of cases of the old before it's all gone IN SPITE of my monster stash of PP. Just on principle.. Give a case to each of the locals for Xmas, hehe

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#785648 - 12/11/06 08:25 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
It's probally as good as Mobil 1 EP. (not joking)
Is this Havoline's shot at HT-06?


Edited by Auto-Union (12/11/06 08:27 AM)

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#785649 - 12/11/06 08:26 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
damanwitdaplan Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 107
Loc: DC
Well...u gotta give em credit for being as cheap as they were for so long while similar and even inferior competition was busy increasing profit margins... They're really just catching up with the pricing of GTX, Valvoline, etc...just not at my expense yet

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#785650 - 12/11/06 08:42 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: damanwitdaplan]
Mokanic Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1563
Loc: North Carolina, USA
I don't currently use Havoline but I think I too will go get a few qts. The old black bottle was one of the few that the product inside was better than the graphics and b.s. slogans on the outside.
Kinda feels like a faithful mixed breed dog is about to die. Nothing fancy about it's looks but always faithful to get the job done.
I'm not condemning the new oil before it gets here but it is obvious Havoline is going in a new direction that will consist of silly catch phrases that can be insulting if you know anything about oil.

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#785651 - 12/11/06 08:45 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Mokanic]
Mokanic Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1563
Loc: North Carolina, USA
Would'nt it be nice if you knew how much of the price increase went to actual product improvement and how much went to a fancy bottle plus the ad campain to sell it.

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#785652 - 12/11/06 11:15 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Mokanic]
Cutehumor Offline


Registered: 12/10/02
Posts: 8943
Loc: USA
havoline was great around $1/qt. the price will almost tripled in five years. I'm still rolling in SL oil. My engines haven't blown up yet. LOL
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#785653 - 12/11/06 04:42 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Cutehumor]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29114
Loc: NJ
Wow, this makes Amsoil's advertising look good. LOL. I still think Mobil 1's advertising is excellent. Nothing about "Sheilds and Space Age Molecules" found in their product descriptions.
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#785654 - 12/11/06 06:02 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: -Clayton-]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12782
Loc: UT
I'm sure happy that I don't get mixed up with "deposit shield" , "anti sludge", "super syn" and all this other MARKETING stuff.

If I can get 200-300k out of yesterdays engines using yesterdays oils, ANY SM is going to cover my needs.

I'll just have to be happy with my 49 cent a quart Chevron or my well under a buck a quart Pennzoil, Castrol, and QS oils in the stash...

I would not pay $2.69 for the "new" Havoline.

The old Havoline is very good oil.

Take care, Bill

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#785655 - 12/11/06 09:13 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Bill in Utah]
Triple_Se7en Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 6335
Loc: 1/2 hr. north of Detroit
Mobil Clean dino sales dropped drastically in 2005 and beyond when Mobil-Exxon tried "upgrading' the product" - then gave it an upgraded price.

Is Havoline going to be the 2007 version of 2005 Mobil Clean dino??... sure sounds like it.

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#785656 - 12/11/06 09:34 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Triple_Se7en]
addyguy Offline


Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 13426
Loc: Canada
Sounds like they are going after Castrol's target audience w/ their version of 'superior sludge protection'.....
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#785657 - 12/11/06 10:15 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
Quote:

Back up the tractor trailer for the current stuff priced at $1.55 at Advance Auto.

Sounds like ChevronTexaco just hired a bunch of fresh out of college marketing grads.




I'm glad you said something. I really didn't need to make any more deposits to the oil vault (right next to the filter shrine) ..but seeing that Havoline is pulling a "New Coke" marketing ploy (sorta like Audi did when Porsche bought them - they just doubled the price) I decided to almost clean my local AA out of their current stock of 5w-20 (not sold @ WM in that weight).

Now since we know that Havoline wasn't broken ..they didn't need to fix it ..this indeed must be simple marketing to produce more yield from their current market share.

It's no longer a sleeper
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#785658 - 12/12/06 01:17 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gary Allan]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
Porsche bought Audi? Ummm, no.

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#785659 - 12/12/06 03:29 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
There was a merger back in the 70's. Just look when Audi turned from junk to expensive junk ..that's when it happened. I think that not long after ..it was found that the entire enterprise (IIRC AUDI/VW/Porsche) made dog dirt in NA for the entire year. You may not have been born yet (well, maybe you weren't). It may have just been for marketing. The basic operative part of the whole statement was that one day NA AUDI was junk and the next it doubled in price and became a fancy high tech invoative Euro Alloy.

Now as my memory is exploring the way I understood it ...perhaps it was more correctly stated that "A Porsche" took over the company. Wasn't one of the management (at the time of the price doubling) a "Porsche"??
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#785660 - 12/12/06 05:51 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gary Allan]
ewetho Offline


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Posts: 1304
Loc: Kankakee, IL
Can't wait for a VOA and UOA on the new stuff. We shall see what we get.
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#785661 - 12/12/06 07:07 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: ewetho]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
More or less, VW bought Audi from Mercedes a LONG time ago and VW collaborated with Porsche on several products and dealer distribution. Porsche+Audi is just marketing, there is no corporate ownership connection. Porsche is 100% independant.

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#785662 - 12/13/06 05:36 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
Vilan Offline


Registered: 12/01/05
Posts: 1577
Loc: Surrey, BC
Quote:

"Havoline with Deposit Shield simply helps prevent deposits from building up in the first place; as if your shoe had a nonstick coating."




Aren't nonstick coatings usually made out of... Teflon?

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#785663 - 12/13/06 06:29 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Vilan]
gonesurfing Offline


Registered: 10/22/06
Posts: 203
Loc: Eastern North Carolina
I checked one AAP and they had lots of Havoline at $1.98/qt. I went by a different store on my way home tonight, and they were sold out of all Havoline at $1.53. One guy told me they'd be getting the "new formula" in a week or two.

I'm thinking of stocking up at $1.98 before it's too late!

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#785664 - 12/13/06 06:34 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: gonesurfing]
Greggy_D Offline


Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 1531
Loc: Near Ann Arbor, Michigan
Quote:


I'm thinking of stocking up at $1.98 before it's too late!




That's the normal price at WalMart when you buy it in 5qt jugs. I'd call around at other AAP's for the $1.55 price.
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#785665 - 12/13/06 06:50 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
ewetho Offline


Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 1304
Loc: Kankakee, IL


VW and Porsche are tied at the HIP. Remember the Bug designed by Porsche himself. THen you have the 356 with a chassis so similar you have to look twice.


Then there are the parts which have all 3 logos on them. Hmmmm ....

They now share chassis/platforms for all kinds of stuff across their lines.

Sure the true sports cars are reserved for Porsche and not much has been used in the Dub line for a long time but the heritage is very much their. Sure they came back together from being separate goals of the founder but the true heritage is one and the same except I guess Audi but VW and Porsche grew from the same guy. One was just used to gain the means to start the other.

Heck remember the 914 which is a Type IV engine (Vanagon motor).

The goals are very different. Porsche is about performance and Racing. VW moving people.
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#785666 - 12/13/06 07:05 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: ewetho]
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Porsche has no financial connection to VW Corporate aside from specific projects like the Toureq/Cayenne. Audi was owned by Mercedes-Benz.

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#785667 - 12/14/06 06:52 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gary Allan]
Win Offline


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Quote:


It's no longer a sleeper




We have only ourselves to blame. After reading this thread, I went to AAP and bought some more while it's still available.
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#785668 - 12/14/06 08:42 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
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Quote:

Porsche has no financial connection to VW Corporate aside from specific projects like the Toureq/Cayenne. Audi was owned by Mercedes-Benz.




I'll repeat this part of it as to compensate for my poor memory that obviously is mistaken on the principles and further attempt to get the conceptual basis on why in the heck it was even said in the first place. I do, however, recommend an application to the nitpickers guide to the universe and other distractions from the thrust of the conversation.

Quote:

The basic operative part of the whole statement was that one day NA AUDI was junk and the next it doubled in price and became a fancy high tech invoative Euro Alloy.




As we were taught, hopefully WAY BACK ...cheap box is to EXPENSIVE BOX as old havoline is to NEW HAVOLINE ...old audi is to NEW AUDI


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#785669 - 12/14/06 08:57 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Ray H Offline


Registered: 01/16/03
Posts: 4478
Loc: Southern California
Quote:

Audi was owned by Mercedes-Benz.


I did not know that. How long ago? (When I was a kid, our neighbor across the street drove a butt-ugly little FWD two door sedan with a three-cylinder, 2-cycle motor - the Auto Union "DKW" [roughly the size of the rear engined VW beetle]. Their oldest son rolled it three times during a camping trip to Washington state. [walked away without a scratch]. Was the "Deek" a presursor to the eventual modern Audi?)

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#785670 - 12/14/06 09:06 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Win]
JeepCreep Offline


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I just did the same. Bought the last 12 quarts. Won't last me that long but it's better than nothing.
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#785671 - 12/14/06 10:20 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: JeepCreep]
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I just did the same. Bought the last 12 quarts. Won't last me that long but it's better than nothing.




Yep, me too, this morning. Two jugs. Considering the amount of driving I do and the fact that I use 1 qt. with bypass filter change, this should hold me for the next 20K mi. or so.

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#785672 - 12/17/06 10:54 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: johnd]
wgtoys Offline


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Auto-union said: "Porsche has no financial connection to VW Corporate "

This is off-topic, but the fact is that Porsche already owns over 20% of VW's stock and has noted it's intention to take a controlling interest in the company. See:

http://www.gear6.net/2006/07/porsche_control.html

VW has owned over 99% of Audi since 1964 when they bought it from Daimler-Benz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi




Edited by wgtoys (12/17/06 10:59 AM)

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#785673 - 12/17/06 04:33 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: wgtoys]
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The ADV AUTO's in my neck of the woods have the 1 gallon jugs for $5.95($1.49 per qt). 5/30, 10/30 and 10/40 only. A very good buy for anyone looking for a good oil at an every day low price. The indivual qts are still $1.55 per qt. 5/20, 5/30, 10/30 and 10/40. Probably some other weights as well but I didn't pay attention after that.
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#785674 - 12/17/06 05:45 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Porsche bought Audi? Ummm, no.




Actually, Porsche recently increased their stake in Audi/VAG to something like 25%. That SUV of theirs has them rolling in the cash.
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#785675 - 12/17/06 06:55 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: q2bruiser]
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Audi came from a conglomeration of DKW/Horscht/NSU/Auto-Union/Wanderer. I'll say it again for clarity, There is/was no corporate connection between Porsche and VW/Audi. Porsche owning stock does not mean there is control/connection on a corporate decision-making level.

"Audi turned from junk to expensive junk"

- You've really shored-up your position there! Obvious lack of knowledge/experience in this area mitigates your drool opinon.

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#785676 - 12/17/06 07:02 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: wgtoys]
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I'll take credit for that being a misstatment of degree.

"Porsche has no financial connection to VW Corporate"

By qualifying it saying, "VW Corporate", I meant Porsche's financial connection was not sufficient do drive the "Corporate" decision-making process. It would take a majority share ownership to do that, a "hostile" takeover. That is a slim possibility in the future, but would probally be more of a "welcomed" take-over.

Sorry for the confusion- VW does not own Porsche and Porsche does not own VW. They do indeed collaborate.

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#785677 - 12/18/06 04:00 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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I just saw 10w30 Deposit Shield at AutoZone at their old Havoline price of $2.29. Not sure what the price will be when 5w20 & 5w30 are on the shelf.
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#785678 - 12/18/06 05:08 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Audi came from a conglomeration of DKW/Horscht/NSU/Auto-Union/Wanderer. I'll say it again for clarity, There is/was no corporate connection between Porsche and VW/Audi. Porsche owning stock does not mean there is control/connection on a corporate decision-making level.

"Audi turned from junk to expensive junk"

- You've really shored-up your position there! Obvious lack of knowledge/experience in this area mitigates your drool opinon.




Well, I'll surely admit that the Audi line has produced some fine performance vehicles for some time now. Now I still have the impression that you're very young and have never even seen a 100LS ..nor a 5000 except in the junkyard or in pictures. I could surely be wrong about that (your age) ...but the fact that you don't have the knowledge that in one mere evolution the price of the Audi offerings in NA virtualy doubled in price with very minor tweeking ..gives me that impression. I believe that the Audi 5000 was on the vanguard of that evolution.

..but ...let us not degrade ourselves into depicting graphic images of my salavary emissions. That's just rude ..regardless of how personally insulted one can get at the name of a car being defiled ..and the interpretation that it's a crime.

You can, if it will make you feel better, insult my minivan. It's tough enough to take it ..as am I


Edited by Gary Allan (12/18/06 05:21 AM)
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#785679 - 12/18/06 05:41 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gary Allan]
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Auto-Union said: "Porsche owning stock does not mean there is control/connection on a corporate decision-making level. "

I believe that you are still mistaken. Porsche has two seats on the VW Board of Directors and is seeking a third. First you said there is no connection, then attempted to clarify your remarks by saying that you mean no connection at the decision making level. In fact there is a strong connection and strong influence on decision making. Have a look at this recent news article:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9067-2489812,00.html

... where you will find these quotes and more:

"Wendelin Wiedeking, Porsche's chief executive, told a press conference in Germany that he would not rule out heading VW's supervisory board next year."

"VW chairman Ferdinand Piech, whose family owns Porsche... "

The two companies are in fact very tightly tied together both by ownership stakes and top management. 50% of Porsche's stock is owned by the Porsche and Piech familys. It isn't clear how much of that Ferdinand Piech ownes personally. You can read about Porsche's ownership structure here:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/investorrelations/shareholderstructure/

With that said, I'm done with this thread. It has nothing to do with motor oil and isn't even a topic I care about very much. This is simply a case where I saw a post which seems to have gotten the facts wrong, so I chose to respond with facts and documentation. I don't have a problem with VW and Porsche being tightly coupled today just as they were in their infancy. In fact, I can't imagine why anyone would want to argue the point ???? After all, the marriage gave us the 356, 914, 924, the Toureg/Cayenne and more.

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#785680 - 12/18/06 06:13 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: ProfPS]
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I was at Sam's Club today. They had some of the old Havoline 5W30 for $21.xx for case of 12. The new Deposit Shield Havoline 10W30 was $25.xx for case of 12. There was no old 10W30, nor new 5W30. This leads me to believe that, once the old stock is gone, the new stock will be a higher price across the board, 5W30, 10W30, etc.

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#785681 - 12/18/06 06:33 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: wgtoys]
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An expert Porsche+Audi corporate structure, I am not. On the cars, I may well be. Can we agree that Porsche and VW are not the same company? To whatever degree they are "connected" they simply are not the "same" company. Trying to show how ~closely~ related they are, really just emphasizes the fact they are indeed seperate. However you want to slice it, that's just how it is. If I failed to explain their complicated and ever-changing relationship in a scentence or two, I apologize.
Gary, I am far from young. My experience with Porsches and VWs began when I started tweaking my Dad's cars at the age of 14. Since then I have owned 15 Audis personally and 5-6 Volkswagens. Right now I maintain 4 or more of the gruppe. Mom's 1996 Passat, never needed more than a odo display in 11 years. Rides as solid as a cinderblock. I maintain on a regular basis my old 1987 Coupe GT w/ 230k. That car is on it's original TB/WP/Rad/Clutch. Paint and interior are excellent. It got struts, exhaust and a starter. Little stuff like hood release, etc. Is that car "expensive junk?" At $14k new, it was the same price as Mom's 1987 Accord. It's sedan version, the 4000S is simply one of the best cars ever made. Few with valid experience would disagree. I also maintain my MiL's 1995 A6, which is the pinicale of glitchyness, but never dissapoints in the areas of performance, comfort and overall driver satisfaction. I also maintain my Cousin's 1992 Cabrio. It needs a Hall Sender and shocks at 10 years and 160k. Can we agree on a 1992 vehicle that is as durable? There are some other makes of cars from 1991-92 that are quite comical, if you think about it. So, that runs the gambit, excepting the 5000 that you loathe, I have a set of opinions on that car too, but I can simplify it by saying if you see any f/s 5000 wagons in quattro, let me know.
So, can we finalize by saying VW and Audi are the same company, Porsche is not. I'll assert they are not the worst cars on the planet either.

This thread is worthless without pics.

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#785682 - 12/18/06 06:45 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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"like Audi did when Porsche bought them"

All I said was no, that never happened. All I did was make the correction. Had wgtoys seen your post first, he should have done the same rather than seeking to undo my point. I don't expect Gary to be an expert on the subject and did not realize I had to be an expert on it to make the commonly-known assertion.
A comment on the quality of the product followed, which was equally unfounded. That's it, since everyone wants to set the record strait.


My car:


Not my car:


Edited by Auto-Union (12/18/06 06:50 AM)

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#785683 - 12/18/06 07:02 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Does this mean you're not going to take a swipe at my minivan
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#785684 - 12/18/06 07:15 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gary Allan]
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I'll SEE YOU on the TRACK!!!

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#785685 - 12/18/06 07:17 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Gary, as far as Minivans go, I'm CERTIANLY not going to sit here and praise the Eurovan/Vanagon.

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#785686 - 12/18/06 11:19 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Oh lord.................pictures of Audis again................the same pictures.....................AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The car that can beat the space shuttle.

Wasn't this thread about freakin Havoline?

I bet it will turn into how Hyundai sucks at some point

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#785687 - 12/18/06 02:52 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Hey!

MY Hyundai is WONDERFUL!

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#785688 - 12/18/06 02:57 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
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ya, I don't want to see the audi vs hyundai thread again.
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#785689 - 12/18/06 07:20 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Cutehumor]
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Hundai vs KIA.

Can we get some pics?


Edited by Auto-Union (12/18/06 07:22 PM)

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#785690 - 12/18/06 07:28 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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PS I welcome direct comparison to any make/model for the given eras, 1986, 1992, 1996...etc. Asians and especially Domestics are downright comical in the late '80s / early '90s. Sorry, even Gary Allen can't change facts and history.


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#785691 - 12/18/06 08:39 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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A ZR-1 Corvette of 1992 would #@$%! up any showroom Audi of the same year. A 1996 Grand Sport Vette would do the same.

A 1996 Toyota Supra 2JZGTE along with an RB26DETT Nissan Skyline would do the same. Can your beloved dead stock long blocked Audi put out 1000 hp without blowing up? NOPE


Edited by Drew99GT (12/18/06 08:40 PM)

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#785692 - 12/18/06 08:42 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
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Oh, in 1986, A BUICK..............lets say that again, A BUICK of all cars........Grand National would be throwing rubber chunks at the windshield of your beloved Audi of the same year.

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#785693 - 12/18/06 08:50 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
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Oh, I forgot Americans consider strait-line to be the ultimate "race". Funny how new 'Vettes achieve such lame track results. As far as street cars, how me some 250k miles Vettes. lol. Plastic car...that's a well-concieved vehicle. It offers so much in the arena of...strait-line performance. lol @ plastic. I'd invite you to challenge a Sport Quattro in a road rallye...but the 'Vette would not make it past the parking lot. Ha!

700hp out of 2.3l 5-cyl...do the math.

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#785694 - 12/18/06 08:52 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Grand National? That's hilarious! Be shure to slow WAY down for the turns. Drew, get a clue.

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#785695 - 12/18/06 08:52 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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My friend's Buick hit 200k. 5 trannys and 3 engines.

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#785696 - 12/18/06 09:03 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Oh, I forgot Americans consider strait-line to be the ultimate "race". Funny how new 'Vettes achieve such lame track results.





Not true. The new Z06 Corvette outhandles just about any production car on the planet. It outhandles many exotic cars costing 4-5 times it's price. There is certainly no production made Audi that can come even close to it on the racetrack.
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#785697 - 12/18/06 09:05 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Patman]
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Nice job, Patman. You beat me to the punch.

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#785698 - 12/18/06 09:13 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Quote:

As far as street cars, how me some 250k miles Vettes. lol.





There are quite a few 250k plus Corvettes out there. Want proof?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1554877

Here are a few pics from that thread:




[/QUOTE]


That's only a small sampling. I know of at least one 99 which is over 320k on the original engine and trans, and I know of a few others close to 300k right now.
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#785699 - 12/18/06 09:16 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Patman]
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AU, you're cluless. No mass produced sports car in the world can match a C5/C6 for the money. It will perform as well as some of the expensive exotics for a fraction of the cost. And you can drive it everyday too.

Patman, what oil are those guys using that have that high of mileage?
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#785700 - 12/18/06 09:20 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: buster]
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Every Vette owner I know marvels at how GM can allow the Vette off the assembly line at the price they do. It's amazing.
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#785701 - 12/18/06 09:21 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: B00SS]
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Funny how Chevrolet DOMINATED Showroom stock racing in the late 80's vs Porsche.
Eventually they had to outlaw the Corvette and force it to run its own series it was so dominant.

The Germans make wonderful automobiles but those that think there are no American cars that can run with them on the track are just ignorant. In stock form the Porsche 911 GT3 is faster than the Z06 at the Ring. However with the Corvette on R Compound Tires as well (Porsche has R's OEM) the Z06 is faster.
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#785702 - 12/18/06 09:25 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: buster]
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AU, you're cluless. No mass produced sports car in the world can match a C5/C6 for the money. It will perform as well as some of the expensive exotics for a fraction of the cost. And you can drive it everyday too.

Patman, what oil are those guys using that have that high of mileage?





I'm not entirely sure, but I would highly suspect they've been using Mobil 1 5w30, since that's what most people use.

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#785703 - 12/18/06 10:42 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Edited by Drew99GT (12/18/06 11:26 PM)

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#785704 - 12/18/06 11:25 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
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Check out the GTR 700 specs ; that Skyline makes over 1300 hp from about 2.7 liters. You can do the math there if you want to get into some lame hp/L battle. That's almost DOUBLE what your weee little Audi could muster.

Quote:

I welcome direct comparison to any make/model for the given eras, 1986, 1992, 1996...etc. Asians and especially Domestics




You asked


Edited by Drew99GT (12/18/06 11:32 PM)

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#785705 - 12/19/06 01:02 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
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1990-1992, isn't that the peroid when Audi came into IMSA and dominated for a few years until they are banned for "unfair advantage"? Remember those days?



If we're taking production cars, I'm pretty sure the RS cars can hold their own. They seemed to do pretty well in Speed GT competition.


RS6 Executive Sedan on the same track with the less-than-exotic Corvette sports car. Who was finishing ahead? Don't make me laugh. I see GT cars finishing ahead of the GT-S Corvettes. fwiw, I don't recall many Skyline GTR 700s being delivered in the USA and they are devoid from any competetion I know of, yet alone won any race. DTM has been dominatted by Audi as well as the ultimate racing, LeMans.


I'd like to know which racing bracket was dominated by late '90 Vettes, as Gene claims. A cheap fast car it may be, but how old are we?

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#785706 - 12/19/06 01:06 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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This is more like it when you think of '90's American production cars.


Buick Grand National falls into the bracket I call "comical".


Edited by Auto-Union (12/19/06 01:08 AM)

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#785707 - 12/19/06 01:10 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Patman]
Auto-Union Offline


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Quote:

Quote:

As far as street cars, how me some 250k miles Vettes. lol.





There are quite a few 250k plus Corvettes out there. Want proof?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1554877

Here are a few pics from that thread:




[/QUOTE]


That's only a small sampling. I know of at least one 99 which is over 320k on the original engine and trans, and I know of a few others close to 300k right now.




I wanna see pics of the OUTSIDE, my man!

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#785708 - 12/19/06 01:47 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Don't get me wrong, I love Audis...but this thread has ventured W A Y
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#785709 - 12/19/06 02:07 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: AndyH]
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Audi + New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $2.69 = goodness
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#785710 - 12/19/06 02:26 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: sdude2k2000]
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Car weenies..

And the Champ IS:

From turn to turn, in a race, you'll wear OUT your fragile little racecars staying within 5 seconds a lap of this puppy.

Cars are SO funny. Especially Vettes and Grand Nationals/NASCAR. Please, I can't believe folks get their britches wadded up arguing car performance.

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#785711 - 12/19/06 02:46 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
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Weren't you already banned for your pompas attitude and degradation of other people once already? You come across like someone...............oh who was that now Ah yes, Mr. Audi Junkie. Couldn't be...

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#785712 - 12/19/06 03:05 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
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RR is sweet. My bikes were lame-o GP-Z 550 and 750.
Oh, can you be banned for "attitude"? It's not mentioned in the Terms of Service Agreement. (shrug)

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#785713 - 12/19/06 03:17 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
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Yeah, the sport bikes are pretty sweet. You have to get into exotic unobtainium like the good Doctor Haas' Enzo to get into power-to-weight ratios such as these bikes today.

Too bad no-brain, can't-ride wussie-boys like Ben Rothlesburger get their hands on em, crash em for no good reason, and give em a bad name..

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#785714 - 12/19/06 03:37 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
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So, there doesn't seem to be too many takers on Havoline with Deposit Shield.

Havoline had the right idea in their value/price concept and I'm afraid they will lose market share if they try the top tear name brand dino price point. The vast majority of folks who use Havoline do it for it's old price point.

As long as Chevron with Deposit Shield doesn't come out, us cheap skates'll be fine!

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#785715 - 12/19/06 03:52 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
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Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Quote:

The vast majority of folks who use Havoline do it for it's old price point.




Well, for a prime-time dino @ $1.99 what wasn't to like? Now, the "new" Havoline is just like any other over-priced dino that dino-lovers such as Utah Bill wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole given alternatives such Chevron, ST, and a host of other sub-one-and-two dollar dinos. If I were the Havoline peeps, I might have held this changeover back until the next upgrade in API/ILSAC specs..

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#785716 - 12/19/06 06:15 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
javacontour Offline


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Posts: 7478
Loc: Illinois
I just picked up 6 gallons of the "old formula" from AA. Two in quart bottles for $1.55/qt and the other 4 gallons for just under $6/gallon in gallon jugs.
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#785717 - 12/19/06 06:37 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: javacontour]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
SCOOOOOOORE!!!!

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#785718 - 12/19/06 08:21 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
Quote:

Quote:

The vast majority of folks who use Havoline do it for it's old price point.




Well, for a prime-time dino @ $1.99 what wasn't to like?




Maybe you missed my "value/price" part of my post. My point was exactly yours! There is nothing not to like with Havoline and Chevron................got several cases in the stash as I type!

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#785719 - 12/19/06 08:41 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Dammit Drew! YOU grabbed it all!

No wonder I can't find anymore!

Oh...you're in Colorado..

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#785720 - 12/19/06 09:11 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: toocrazy2yoo]
Gene K Offline


Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 3161
Loc: Decatur AL USA
Quote:

Dammit Drew! YOU grabbed it all!

No wonder I can't find anymore!

Oh...you're in Colorado..




Its still available for $1.99 at Fred's Dollar Stores. To bad the Havoline Filters (Purolator Premium Plus) went up to $2.09
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#785721 - 12/19/06 10:26 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gene K]
toocrazy2yoo Offline


Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Herndon, Virginia
Too bad for me, Gene, Fred's Dollar never made it up here to these parts..

If I were you, though, I'd be stocking up. The filter price ain't half-bad either!

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#785722 - 12/19/06 03:59 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
nascarnation Offline


Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 616
Loc: Indiana
Quote:

I wanna see pics of the OUTSIDE, my man!




And I'd like to see a compilation of the OPERATING costs of the "typical" 250,000 mile Audi. Yesterday's WSJ had a question from a guy who couldn't understand why his Toureg needed 800 bucks worth of brake rotors every 40k miles....

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#785723 - 12/19/06 05:41 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: nascarnation]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
Probably because he races to stop lights like everyone else on the roads..................except me. Currently have 60,000 miles on the SECOND set of brakes put on a 1994 vehicle *rotors are original). About 40% pad life is left on the fronts.

People look at me like I'm the #@$%! when I gradually slow from well before a stoplight.

I work with a lady that drives a 2500 Suburban...........her husband was saying at a party she goes through pads/rotors every 20,000 miles Thought the divorce papers were gonna be signed right then and there

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#785724 - 12/19/06 05:59 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: nascarnation]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
Quote:

Quote:

I wanna see pics of the OUTSIDE, my man!




And I'd like to see a compilation of the OPERATING costs of the "typical" 250,000 mile Audi. Yesterday's WSJ had a question from a guy who couldn't understand why his Toureg needed 800 bucks worth of brake rotors every 40k miles....





WSJ, lol. Quoting a guy who "couldn't understand"? Rich.

Didn't you read my whole post? Most "repairs" are elective upgrades. Other than that stuff like shocks, my 87 cost nearly nothing over the 230k miles. Seems like many people have misconceptions about costs of Euro car repairs and maintenance....but they feel compelled to repeat their stories of "a friend" who paid dealer prices for stuff they could not diagnose or DIY. $1000 brake jobs are a reality, if you go someplace that'll disassemble the calipers, clean and re-lube guide pins, etc. Owners of ~other~ brands are cars are satisfied with the $59 slap-pads-on brake job for their hunk-o-s. Better parts, cost more, last longer. The last thing I want is a cheap part that'll break again. As for operating costs, iirc, mine came to $.03c a mile. 90k for under $3000 in repairs for my 1999 V6 A4. Handling and performance is not equaled by the cars that you find in most showrooms, not to mention safety. Also, forgot to mention... that car had ZERO warranty repairs in 3yr/50k...Zero.(can't say that about my Acura!)


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#785725 - 12/19/06 06:01 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
As far as the brake thing, my MiL went over 50k on her brakes and I re-did them with nearly-new cast-off parts people left at my shop when they got BB kits. Total cost was for the brake fluid.

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#785726 - 12/19/06 06:13 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
Quote:

....but they feel compelled to repeat their stories of "a friend"




Like you and your mechanic friends nectar of gawd, Castrol 5w-50................repeated here probably more than 100 times.

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#785727 - 12/19/06 06:49 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19275
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
Quote:



I wanna see pics of the OUTSIDE, my man!





Thanks to it being made of PLASTIC as you put it, these cars still look great, with no rust!
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#785728 - 12/19/06 07:09 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Patman]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
Quote:

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I wanna see pics of the OUTSIDE, my man!





Thanks to it being made of PLASTIC as you put it, these cars still look great, with no rust!




Best performance car on the planet, the Chevrolet Corvette is! Working Man's supercar. Heck, the new ZO6 is flat out a world beating supercar. Maybe in the top 5 best performing true mass production automobiles ever produced, especially when R compounds are thrown on like many of it's competition (as Gene pointed out).

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#785729 - 12/20/06 12:49 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
Gene K Offline


Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 3161
Loc: Decatur AL USA
Nothing wrong with the Audi. They are great cars.

A 911 is a great car... A Audi A4 1.8T is also a great car.

However a C6 Corvette and a Subaru WRX 2.5 are also great cars.
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#785730 - 12/20/06 12:50 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Gene K]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19275
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
I agree, I don't hate Audis at all, in fact there are a lot of nice Audis I'd love to have. I just happen to love the Corvette a lot more though.

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#785731 - 12/20/06 12:54 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Patman]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
I like Audis as well; certain owners of said car...

As a matter of fact, it is a blizzard outside my window right now, cars stuck left and right on my hill. My neighbor with an older A8 sat and waited on the incline with 8 or so inches of snow, finally had enough, and floored it past the stuck cars like it was nothin! Pretty impressive.

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#785732 - 12/20/06 02:15 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
75003 Offline


Registered: 12/09/06
Posts: 29
Loc: Republic of Tejas
I saw the new "deposit shield" Havoline at Autozone today. It was the same price as the "old" Havoline. $2.29/qt.

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#785733 - 12/20/06 03:30 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: 75003]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
In Colorado, there should be no shortage of Audis. When I was there years ago, not a single BMW or MB to be had. I guess the bigger point is failed to make is that ~generally~ Audis have a set capabilities that are broad rather then cars that serve more specific purposes. There was a statment made "you can drive a 'Vette everyday", but that might not be the case with 5-10 inches of snow on the ground. Many guys here, myself definately included, are quite practical and a single car that can do many things well is a virtue unto itself, a fully-functional automobile. One of the singly best examples of this is an Audi allroad. S4 engine with a wagon body, adjustable suspension height....high as a Mercedes or BMW SUV or dropped below regular ride for highway. Skid plates and matte bumpers. Normal maintenance and repairs yields a car w/ unique abilities.





btw- Drew, you seem fixated on the content of my posts. There are medicines that can help.

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#785734 - 12/20/06 03:36 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
Quote:

you seem fixated on the content of my posts




That's just downright laughable considering your history here!


Edited by Drew99GT (12/20/06 03:37 AM)

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#785735 - 12/20/06 03:40 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19275
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
True, I cannot drive my Corvette in 5-10 inches of snow, but then again we rarely get that much snow here in Toronto anyhow. We haven't even gotten any snow at all yet this winter, and last winter I think we got two storms of around 4 inches, then a handful of 1-2 inch snowfalls, but that's about it.

So for me, in my climate, I'm ok. If I lived in a heavy snow area, I definitely would not drive it year round. And I would definitely consider an Audi for winter driving. My dad had a 91 Audi Quattro 90 and that thing would get through just about any amount of snowfall with no problem.
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#785736 - 12/20/06 04:00 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Patman]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
I must admit, the neighbors A8 went up my hill better than some of the SUVs I've seen. We're getting HAMMERED right now with a blizzard.

You can slam me Auto Union for my Toyota Corolla: I AM STRANDED; would likely get stuck going down my hill

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#785737 - 12/20/06 07:09 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
What happens w/fwd cars going up a hill is the weight transfers to the rear. quattro torsen center diff can go like 70%f/r. That's the difference from AWD to 4WD, not everyone knows about the center diff. W/4wd, you cannot leave it engaged above a few mph. Taking a turn with 4wd engaged will produce tire scrub, especially in wet/snow the scrub literally scrubs away the traction while AWD balances available traction L < > R and F /\ R \/. Earlier versions had fully locking center and rears that you had to disengage appropriately. That system was killer. On my much-maligned (here) Quantum Wagon I could climb our sledding hill in 1ft of snow...up to the bumper. (w/Artic Alphins!) That same car with 50 series Dunlop SP5000s had 2 cars crash trying to catch it in the wet. My wife was tailgated at high speed by some Camaro/Cutlass thing which tried to pass and spun into a tele pole. I had an /\$$-rider Mustang follow me closely into a off-ramp where I did a no-brake sweeper turn...he smacked into the wall at about 30. So, I am biased when it comes to the more abstract qualities of a car than it's 1/4mi opr 0-60. Patman has been exceedingly civil in allowing me to fully explain myself. When I hear the off-handed comments, I just like to add my ~experience~ to some of the comments. fwiw, I did not bring it up, buy belive there are meritous points needed to be made. Obviously, what people like in a car varies. What I like is a car whose qualities are varied. Maintenance-wise, it is very different for me than it is for a 1st-time owner. I've recovered cars from back yards with a paperclip jumper of a $10 relay. Admittedly, finding a good mechanic for these cars is different in USA than Europe and that REALLY may be the difference in people's ownership experience.

So, Havoline Hi-Mi 10w-40 going into MiL's A6 this summer. Yay.



Edited by Auto-Union (12/20/06 07:13 AM)

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#785738 - 12/20/06 07:16 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
fwiw, other makers AWD are not full mechanical with Torsen, rather viscous couplings (Subaru), electronic Haldex clutchpacks (Mercedes) or set torque split 40%f/60%r (BMW).


From speedarena.com

Speed WC TC News
Herr Takes Second-Straight SPEED Touring Car Win at Wet Mosport
By Souce: SCCA Pro Racing

http://www.speedarena.com/news/publish/touring_cars/printer_7146.shtml

Chip Herr, of Lititz, Pa., battled damp conditions, a slew of Acuras and a Mazda to wheel his Audi A4 to a second-consecutive SCCA Pro Racing SPEED World Challenge Touring Car win today at Mosport International Raceway, part of the Mobil 1 Presents Labour Day Grand Prix Weekend. Brandon Davis, of Denver, Colo., and Pierre Kleinubing, of Coconut Creek, Fla., completed the podium.

Herr started from the pole on the damp track, but relinquished the lead twice over the course of the 25-lap, 61.475-mile event that was limited to 50 minutes in duration. In the end, he took his third-career win by 6.491 seconds, averaging 72.074 mph.

Driving the No. 17 Agincourt Autohaus/STaSIS Audi A4, Herr relinquished the lead to the No. 73 Tri-Point Motorsports/Mazdaspeed Mazda 6 of Randy Pobst at the start, done single-file, similar to a re-start, after a delay to retrieve a broken down car on the formation lap aborted the traditional standing start. Herr re-took the point from Pobst on the third lap, only to come under attack by a slew of Acuras.

On a lap-13 restart, Davis got the jump on the field from fourth to take the lead in his No. 20 Acura Certified Pre-Owned/RealTime Racing Acura TSX. From there, he held off a furious attack from teammate Kleinubing, in the No. 42 entry, until Kleinubing succumbed to pressure from Herr on lap 19. Two laps later, Herr was past Davis for the lead, and clicked off a succession of fastest race laps to speed away to the win.

“On the restart my car just completely shut down,” Herr said of the restart when Davis and Kleinubing passed for the lead. “I was on the throttle. It would have been a nice drag race for us, but my car just cut out and I saw a lot of cars come to the inside of me. I knew it was a long race so I had to just hang back there and hope that the problem would fix itself.”

After watching Michael Galati use all-wheel-drive in rainy conditions to lap all but second place in the SPEED GT race, Herr was confident of his chances in Sunday’s damp conditions.

“The weather was definitely a factor for the STaSIS Audi,” said Herr, who also won at Mid-Ohio in May and at Road America two weeks ago. “The car handles really well in the dry, but when it comes to wet weather…I really thought we had a huge advantage over the Acuras. But today, I’m really impressed how well these guys drove and how well their cars handled, because the only advantage I saw was coming out of Turn Five, which is a really slow turn, so it’s just about traction. Everywhere else it was pretty heads-up with them.

“It was a good run for us today. Agincourt Autohaus was a big help coming on board this week in Canada. We didn’t expect two wins in-a-row, nobody expects wins in SPEED World Challenge, but we’ll take ’em when we can get ’em.”

Davis, who started from the pole and led at Mosport in 2005, hoped to score the second win of his career on Sunday, but it was not to be. He was proud of the Acura’s performance in the wet, though, against the all-wheel-drive Audi.

“On the exit of ten there’s a concrete patch, and you can’t do this during the race, because you’d be going too slow and it’d take too long, but on the restart, I went all the way to the outside and then cut back across and pulled out to the asphalt on the inside and got a great launch,” Davis said of his move to the lead. “Going into Turn One, I was next to Pierre [Kleinubing] and I had the outside and I carried in a little more speed.

“I didn’t know how long Chip [Herr] was going to stay back there with the Audi. The all-wheel drive is definitely a frightening sight to see in my mirrors. Obviously, the front-wheel drive cars, our cars, are absolutely amazing. So I have RealTime Acura to thank for that.”

Kleinubing, who had won two of the previous three SPEED Touring Car rain races, also viewed the day as a success in conditions that were not as favorable to his mount as the Audi. He was in contention for the win early and scored valuable points in both the Drivers and Manufacturers’ Championships.

“The whole time, I was worrying about [main Championship rival] Randy [Pobst], so I knew what I had to do was finish ahead of him,” Kleinubing said. “Once I got by him I pulled away. I had things under control. I was hoping to go for longer with Chip [Herr], but I could never capitalize on it. It seemed like the longer the run, the better we got to a certain point. Toward the end though, it sort of went away and it went [Herr’s] way.

“It’s unbelievable what we can do with a front-wheel drive car against the Audis. It didn’t seem to be any worse than the Audi other than coming out of Turn Five, so my hat’s off to Acura today, an unbelievable car.”

Peter Cunningham, of Grafton, Wis., was the third RealTime Acura TSX in a row, finishing fourth, followed by Eric Curran, of E. Hampton, Mass., in one of the team’s Acura RSXs.

Christian Miller, of Newark, Calif., had a career-best finish of sixth in his No. 25 034 Motorsport Volkswagen Jetta, earning Piloti Rookie of the Race honors.

Pobst (Mazda 6), Robb Holland (Dodge SRT4), Jeff Courtney (Audi A4) and Jeff Altenburg (Mazda 6) completed the top 10.

Brian Smith, of Simpsonville, S.C., advanced from 21st on the grid to finish 11th in his No. 13 Woodhouse Auto Family/Kicker Dodge SRT4 to take home the Sunoco Hard Charger award. Jeff Nowicki, of Birmingham, Mich., advanced six positions on the first lap in his Ford Focus to win the B&M Shifters Holeshot Award.

Kleinubing extended his season points lead to 24 over Pobst (238 to 214) with just two races remaining. Defending Champion Cunningham is third, with 184, followed closely by Herr, at 183. Davis completes the top five, with 173.

Acura pushed its Manufacturers’ Championship Presented by RACER Magazine lead to 14 points over Mazda 59 to 45. A second-place finish at the penultimate Round at Road Atlanta Sept. 29 can clinch the title. Audi has made inroads on the Championship the last two races with two wins and sits third, with 31, followed by BMW (11) and Dodge (five).

Today’s race will be broadcast on SPEED Channel Sunday, Sept. 10 at 3 p.m. (EDT).

For additional information, please visit www.world-challenge.com.


Results from Sunday’s 25-lap, 61.475-mile SCCA Pro Racing SPEED World Challenge Touring Car Championship Round Eight race, part of the Mobil 1 Presents Labour Day Grand Prix weekend at Mosport International Raceway, with finishing position, starting position in parentheses, driver, hometown, car, laps complete, distance behind winner and reason out (if any).

1. (1), Chip Herr, Lititz, Pa., Audi A4, 25.
2. (9), Brandon Davis, Denver, Colo., Acura TSX, 25, -6.491.
3. (6), Pierre Kleinubing, Coconut Creek, Fla., Acura TSX, 25, -7.233.
4. (3), Peter Cunningham, Grafton, Wis., Acura TSX, 25, -10.487.
5. (11), Eric Curran, East Hampton, Mass., Acura RSX, 25, -19.005.
6. (10), Christian Miller(R), Newark, Calif., Volkswagen Jetta, 25, -21.456.
7. (4), Randy Pobst, Gainesville, Ga., Mazda 6, 25, -21.973.


Edited by Auto-Union (12/20/06 07:23 AM)

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#785739 - 12/20/06 07:43 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
Drew99GT Offline


Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 20618
Loc: Colorado Springs
I need medicine???

You sir could not have picked a more appropriate signature.


Edited by Drew99GT (12/20/06 07:48 AM)

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#785740 - 12/20/06 07:49 AM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Drew99GT]
Auto-Union Offline


Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
"medicines"

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#785741 - 12/20/06 06:17 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: Auto-Union]
AndyH Offline


Registered: 11/07/04
Posts: 2493
Loc: MSP 'burbs, MN
Quote:

fwiw, other makers AWD are not full mechanical with Torsen, rather viscous couplings (Subaru),



Not true for all Subaru's. Here's some info on the AWD system in the STi:

Quote:

From its launch, the WRX STI has been equipped with one of the most advanced and most performance-directed All-Wheel Drive systems on the market, regardless of vehicle segment. The Driver Control Center Differential (DCCD) Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive system uses a planetary-type center differential to provide a 41:59 torque split, with automatic and manual differential modes.

Center differential lock-up is controlled by both a mechanical limited-slip type differential and an electronically controlled limited-slip differential. The mechanical limited-slip differential activates and operates initially in response to changes in engine torque, improving overall vehicle stability when accelerating or decelerating. In automatic mode, the electronic limited-slip differential controls the differential lock-up by evaluating the amount of lock-up in the mechanical limited-slip. The total amount of lock-up is based on the combination of both differentials. A steering sensor input improves torque transfer response by more accurately relaying the car’s cornering situation.

Set in automatic mode, the DCCD system can vary the torque distribution ratio as needed in response to vehicle acceleration, deceleration, steering angle, cornering force and wheel slippage.

In manual mode, DCCD allows the driver to select center differential lock-up to optimize All-Wheel Drive performance for varying driving conditions. The driver first selects manual mode with a console-mounted button and then turns a thumbwheel on the center console to select from among six levels of lock-up. Increasing the locking factor keeps more power at the front wheels (max. 50:50 torque split with 100 percent lock-up selected), which the driver might want in certain driving conditions or on particular road surfaces.

A helical-type limited-slip front differential and Torsen® limited-slip rear differential help to optimize power distribution side-to-side, helping to prevent the inside wheels from slipping during cornering.


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#785742 - 12/20/06 09:29 PM Re: New Havoline with "Deposit Shield" for $ 2.69 [Re: AndyH]
crw Offline


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Loc: Pocatello, ID
Meanwhile...

Yesterday at AZ here, I saw new Deposit Shield Havoline at $2.29 a quart, and "old" Havoline also at $2.29 a quart. I think this is the old Havoline price (at this store) and they were just too lazy to change the signs, or didn't know that the new product was supposed to cost more?
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