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#778062 - 11/29/06 01:41 AM "Back to Black" trim protectant
Russell Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 2140
Loc: Lexington, KY
Anyone use "Back to Black" trim protectant? The old version used to be very good. I see it is back on the market from several on-line vendors. TIA
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#778063 - 11/29/06 04:44 AM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: Russell]
Russell Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
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Loc: Lexington, KY
Just heard it has silcone oil as one of the ingredients. Is this bad?
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#778064 - 11/29/06 08:13 PM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: Russell]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Yes, silicone oil or petroleum distillates are thought to be harmful to vinyl:

http://www.carcareonline.com/viewarticle.aspx?art=13


I personally started using 303 Aerospace Protectant. Good stuff.

Lexol Vinylex was OK, but I found it too greasy. One other really good one is Harly Poly Guard, but it's tough to find.
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#778065 - 11/29/06 10:49 PM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: Quattro Pete]
zoomute Offline


Registered: 11/28/06
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Loc: Massachusetts, USA
303 works great on the trim and on the dash, nice matte look, no "ghetto sheen" lol.

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#778066 - 11/29/06 10:54 PM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: zoomute]
Russell Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
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Back to black is only for ecterior trim, not vinyl or any interior trim. BTW, aerospace 303 is good stuff. I have used it on my interior, especially top of the dash for years.
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#778067 - 11/29/06 11:08 PM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: Russell]
zoomute Offline


Registered: 11/28/06
Posts: 8
Loc: Massachusetts, USA
I've used Back to black on exterior trim before and it's pretty good, although I like Vinylex and 303 better.

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#778068 - 11/29/06 11:33 PM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: Russell]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Quote:

Back to black is only for ecterior trim, not vinyl or any interior trim.



Oh... what exactly is exterior trim? When you mentioned trim, I automatically assumed vinyl/rubber.
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#778069 - 11/30/06 01:33 AM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: Quattro Pete]
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A couple comments if I may:

(1) Not all versions of silicone are bad for rubber, plastic, vinyl, etc. There are over 30,000 formulations for silicone, some are great and some not so much. There are certain types of silicone oil which can cause problems with some surfaces. Unless someone knows exactly what silicone is in Back To Black or has an MSDS, I would not assume it's bad for your car.

(2) I find it kinda funny that Larry Reynolds and the Car Care Online crew suggest you don't use products with silicone oil in them yet recommend Vinylex. Ya know what's in Vinylex? Silicone oil!!! The VP of Summit Industries, makers of Vinylex and Lexol, told me that. So silicone protectants are not all bad. I do recommend staying away from the solvent-based oily dressings, especially for use on interior plastics.

(3) Mothers Back To Black is white and creamy, and goes on clear. It's plenty safe for exterior trim like cladding, bumpers, luggage racks, running boards, etc. For best performance apply a coat, let it dry for a few minutes, buff it with a clean towel, then apply a second coat. B2B has no dyes or coloring agents in it so it will not stain or alter the color of your trim. Think of B2B as a plastic restorer with a light cleaning ability. You can use a water-based dressing on top of B2B to maintain the looks and extend the life of B2B.

Hope all this helps!
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#778070 - 11/30/06 02:42 AM I meant "Black Again" - Sorry [Re: bretfraz]
Russell Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 2140
Loc: Lexington, KY
It is almost clear, thick and oily feeling. Seems to soak in hard smooth/textured plastic, cleans black metal trim (like around BMW windows), soaks into rubber. Let soak a few minutes and wipe off/buff the excess. Surrface appears smooth and non-greasy and black with a soft shine. Sorry for the error.
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#778071 - 12/04/06 04:23 AM Re: "Back to Black" trim protectant [Re: bretfraz]
Black Bart Offline
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Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 502
Loc: Indiana
Quote:

A couple comments if I may:

(1) Not all versions of silicone are bad for rubber, plastic, vinyl, etc. There are over 30,000 formulations for silicone, some are great and some not so much. There are certain types of silicone oil which can cause problems with some surfaces. Unless someone knows exactly what silicone is in Back To Black or has an MSDS, I would not assume it's bad for your car.

(2) I find it kinda funny that Larry Reynolds and the Car Care Online crew suggest you don't use products with silicone oil in them yet recommend Vinylex. Ya know what's in Vinylex? Silicone oil!!! The VP of Summit Industries, makers of Vinylex and Lexol, told me that. So silicone protectants are not all bad. I do recommend staying away from the solvent-based oily dressings, especially for use on interior plastics.

(3) Mothers Back To Black is white and creamy, and goes on clear. It's plenty safe for exterior trim like cladding, bumpers, luggage racks, running boards, etc. For best performance apply a coat, let it dry for a few minutes, buff it with a clean towel, then apply a second coat. B2B has no dyes or coloring agents in it so it will not stain or alter the color of your trim. Think of B2B as a plastic restorer with a light cleaning ability. You can use a water-based dressing on top of B2B to maintain the looks and extend the life of B2B.

Hope all this helps!


Your are correct about the silicone.
I was wondering if someone understood the error in the above posts.

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#778072 - 12/05/06 05:43 PM Meant Black Again [Re: Black Bart]
Russell Offline


Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 2140
Loc: Lexington, KY
So far, Black Again, seems to make exterior plastic/rubber trim, including black metal, very dark with a soft shine. Holding up very well on my wife's explorer mirrors and plastic trim around the windshield. Mother's "Back to black" fades in a week.
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1995 BMW 525i M50TU 2.5L-6, abt 235K miles. Rebuilt trany.
1998 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer 153k miles, 4L-SOHC V6. timing chains replaced

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