Havoline 5w20, 10k miles, 2005 Honda Civic

[lindermant]

05 Honda Civic DX, 4 speed automatic with 1.7L 4-cylinder SOHC engine
Date of oil change: 27 Sep 2006
Oil usage: 07 Feb 2006 – 27 Sep 2006, 33 weeks, 303 miles/week
Havoline 5w-20 SM/GF 4, 3.4 qts
Blackstone Labs

Oil: 10,000 miles
Makeup oil: 0
Car: 20,000 miles

Oil Filter: Honda/Filtech OEM 15400-PLM-A01
Air Filter: Honda/Filtech OEM 17220-PLC-000 (green element)

Additives: FP60 – 2oz per tank added at each fillup

Honda recommends 5w-20 oil at 10k miles or 1 year for normal driving, and 5k miles or 6 months for severe driving for my 1.7L 4-cylinder engine.

My commute is primarily highway, 72 mile round trip. Documented 44.13 MPG average this OCI (up from 41.41 MPG average for 0-10k OCI).

Engine oil @ 19522 miles (looked the same at 20k when I changed it):

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Fact Univ

Brand: Fill Havoline Avg

Weight: 5w20 5w20

Grade: SM/GF-4

Unit Miles: 10k 20k

Oil Miles: 10k 10k

Oil Weeks: 28 33

Miles/week: 357.2 303.03

Day: Feb 7 Sep 27

Year: 2006 2006

Oil Filter: Honda Honda

Filtech Filtech

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Aluminum 7 4 2

Chromium 2 1 1

Iron 22 18 8

Copper 12 9 4

Lead 13 8 6

Tin 5 2 1

Molybdenum 347 343 117

Nickel 1 0 0

Manganese 2 1 1

Silver 0 0 0

Titanium 0 0 0

Potassium 0 0 1

Boron 124 27 46

Silicon 51 20 10

Sodium 9 6 11

Calcium 1750 1546 2206

Magnesium 11 28 114

Phosphorus 641 610 739

Zinc 759 793 905

Barium 7 1 0



vis sus@210 52.2 52.4 52-62

Flash point 365 370 >355

TBN 1.7 1.1

Fuel
Antifreeze 0.0 0.0 0.0

Water 0.0 0.0
Insolubles 0.4 0.3




Particle Count

ISO Code (2) 14/10 clean

NAS 1638 Class 0

ISO Code (3) 14/13/11

>= 2 micron 252

>= 5 micron 93

>= 10 micron 25

>= 15 micron 10

>= 25 micron 2

>= 50 micron 0

>= 100 micron 0

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BLACKSTONE COMMENTS
Nice improvement in wear and silicon. This engine still has a little ways to go before we consider it normal, though we fully expect it will get there in another oil change or two. The longer oil runs have delayed the break-in process slightly, though we don’t think they are a problem. The viscosity was a little low, but it wasn’t due to any fuel dilution and isn’t anything to lose sleep over. The TBN was low at 1.1, showing little active additive left. The ISO Code read 14/10, which is a clean reading. Try 11,000 miles next oil. The TBN may be a limiting factor.

 

[lindermant]

Blackstone did not indicate what oil use length the universal averages were based on in this report.

My last report indicated univ averages were based on oil use of ~5400 miles; I can only assume roughly the same approx interval here...

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Excellent report. Excellent value and service life out of the oil. You going to keep this reutine up?

 

[lindermant]

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Excellent report. Excellent value and service life out of the oil. You going to keep this reutine up?

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yep, oil was replaced with Havo 5w20 SM/GF-4 as well as OEM Filtech oil & air filters.

I'll stick with the 10k OCI until my commuting situation changes.

 

[greenjp]

Major props for giving the 10k intervals a shot. Great gas mileage to btw

At a glance everything looks fine. Iron at 18 ain't bad considering a 10k run.

I'd be curious as heck to see what a 10k run of a blend or full synthetic showed. Or the Havoline with LC.

jeff

 

[Chris Meutsch]

What the deuce, a dino looking that good after 10k?

I have the exact same engine, except mine's a 2001. I broke it in with Valvoline 5w20/factory filters every 5k, for its first 30k. Then Amsoil 0w30 and their filters to 80k. Now back to M1 and PP 5w20 for 6500 and 1600 so far, respectively.
The real question is.......why not just save cash and move to the almighty Honda-loving Havoline for 7500-10k and Wix filters?

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Oh yeah, and I drive mostly highway for business as well. 20k a year, 70% highway.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

"why not just save cash and move to the almighty Honda-loving Havoline for 7500-10k and Wix filters?"

Exactly. That's a good question to ponder.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Excellent UOA!

Now, we see that this is a good combo with the belt driven honda motor, how would this be if we had a new Civic with the chain?

I'm pretty sure that my Corolla with its chain would not do well for 10k with this oil....

But wait for the comments about sludge and short life if you run this oil at this OCI...

I think I may run 7,500 miles on one OCI and UOA just to see where we are at...

Thanks for posting!

Take care, Bill

 

[buster]

Very nice. It's tough to beat Havoline at $1.98qt.

 

[Hermann]

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Very nice. It's tough to beat Havoline at $1.98qt.

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Even better when your stash was procured at $1.08.

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Can you get this anywhere in a jug, like the GTX Wal-Mart always has of 5w20?
Gotta cut costs somewhere and it really appears with this oil, in this engine, could be a place to do it with zero detriment.

 

[ARB1977]

No guts, no glory. Nice report.

 

[lindermant]

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But wait for the comments about sludge and short life if you run this oil at this OCI...

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Yea, I thought for sure I'd catch some flak by now.

 

[lindermant]

Chris Meutsch - I haven't been able to find Havo 5w20 in the 4-5 qt containers (they carry 5w30 and 10w30 though).

 

[jmacmaster]

Blackstone said:

"The TBN was low at 1.1, showing little active additive left. The ISO Code read 14/10, which is a clean reading. Try 11,000 miles next oil. The TBN may be a limiting factor."

It seems contradictory to say that at 1.1 the TBN was low and the oil had little active additive after 10,000 miles and then tell him to try 11,000 miles for the next OCI. Am I missing something?

 

[Gary Allan]

What they said was that the oil is fine for carrying the mileage in terms of wear, insolubles, fuel, flash point, ..etc...but that TBN will probably prohibit going much further.

It's a qualified recommendation

 

[lindermant]

yea, I thought 1.0 TBN was the number to stay above.

I'll keep my current 10k routine. I'm crazy, but not crazy enough to push it to 11k on dino

 

[Buick92]

10,000 miles on 5w-20 dino oil is pretty amazing considering Havoline's low price, Havoline/Chevron oils are without a doubt the best bargain out there.

 

[damanwitdaplan]

beautiful example of what a good dino is capable of!

while on the chevron/havoline high note, wonder what a delo 400 or delo/havoline combo would have done in your engine...