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#721697 - 07/11/04 07:34 AM Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
73Duster Offline


Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 57
Loc: South Jersey
This is a flat 6 cylinder motorcycle engine (1520 cc) that shares the oil with a 5 speed trans. It also has six carburetors.
Oil has been in service 1 yr, with 1387 miles, and 13297 miles on the motorcycle. The cycle is used about 80% highway back and from work which usually includes a brief 3 mile ride on the last leg of the trip at 75-95 mph after hard acceleration onto I-95. This happens on the way home also but the bike is not as warmed up (2-3 miles before on ramp). The remaining is local riding including errands, 40-50 mph max.
Stock Honda air filter and oil filter. Air-filter has rubber seals both sides. Evans anti-freeze. Amsoil recommends 3x manufacture change interval (which would be 24k miles) or one yr. This oil has been in the bike since 7/9/03. This oil saw summer (90+ degrees) and winter (30 degrees). This is my first OA. The oil before 7/9/03 was Amsoil 10w40. Sample was re-moved by a brand new plastic siphon hand pump from harbor freight.

Per Oil Analyzers (ppm);

iron 17
chrom 1
lead 0
copper 19
tin 0
alum 5
nickel 0
silver 0
silicon 9
boron 2
sodium 5
magnesium 20
calcium 3734
barium 0
phosphorous 940
zinc 1357
moly 0

fuel 1.5%
Vis @100 C 11.29
Glycol neg
water 0%
TBN 11.78
OXID 15.00
NITR 12.00

Lab comments: No corrective action required, oil is suitable for continued use. Re-sample at next regular interval.

My comments: I have limited knowledge on OA, so any help will be appreciated.
About half of the 1387 miles were put on this yr.
The carbs were not adjusted correctly which has been corrected but were not off that much. These bikes tend to run rich at idle to help get its 750 lbs plus rider moving. From learning on this board I take it that the fuel dilution would have caused the drop in Vis from a 40w to a high 30w. As a result of this I replaced the oil filter with a larger one which required about 1/2 quart for makeup. This is a 4 qt system. I do not know if the metals should be a concern or not, since these engines are known for 500k miles of service.
When should I re-sample or change the oil?
What does OXID and NITR represent? Are they a concern?

Thanks.

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#721698 - 07/13/04 09:25 AM Re: Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 28962
Loc: NJ
Not bad but I'm not a fan of the Amsoil 10w-40. It thins out more then Mobil's 0w-40 and sometimes thickens too much. I think the new AFL 5w-40 is actually better even though it's a 5w oil. *In this case, the fuel could have a lot to do with the thinning out.

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#721699 - 07/13/04 08:47 PM Re: Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
73Duster Offline


Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 57
Loc: South Jersey
do u think it is safe to continue running this oil when a 10w40 is required but now it is a 10w30?

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#721700 - 07/14/04 02:22 AM Re: Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
darkdan Offline


Registered: 09/18/03
Posts: 897
Loc: owatonna, mn
It happens.

The only difference is you know about it and no one else does! =)

It's possible it may start to thicken again.

As far as a 5w40 in a motorcycle....I don't think that's a good idea unless it's super sheer stable.

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#721701 - 07/14/04 07:07 AM Re: Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46406
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
At 1.5% fuel, yes this would cause the thinning. The metals would be high for a car with those low miles, but we are talking about a big engine on a bike and the oil is a year old, so not so bad.

I would just stick with a 1 year interval.

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#721702 - 07/14/04 08:18 PM Re: Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
73Duster Offline


Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 57
Loc: South Jersey
Pablo
do u think I should change the oil out now or just continue using it as recomended by the lab?
If continued use, what do u recomend for a change interval or sample?

What does OXID and NITR represent? Am I looking for lower or higher #s for what is best?
thanks

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#721703 - 07/15/04 09:14 AM Re: Amsoil 10w40, 1387 miles, '98 Honda Valkyrie, 6 cylinder
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46406
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Since it's been a year already I would change the oil.

Oxidation and Nitration are low (OAI scale). Both are a measure of how chemically abused the oil is by exposure to oxidizing agents (mainly heat and combustion) and nitrating agents (blow-by combustion products). The lower the better,

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