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#6954 - 09/17/02 12:01 AM Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1903
Loc: SE MI
Does anyone have it?

Who supplies the oil, and what are its specs?

I'm guessing its Pennzoil-Quaker State, but I'm interested to see how it fares to Pennzoil's and Quaker State's synthetic oils.

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#6955 - 09/17/02 01:41 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
The_Oz Offline


Registered: 07/24/02
Posts: 349
Loc: Quebec, Canada

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#6956 - 09/17/02 03:55 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
csandste Offline


Registered: 05/31/02
Posts: 882
Loc: St. Peters, Missouri
It's from Specialty Petroleum a Quaker State buy out blending plant. Johnny's spent some time describing the whole shebang in other posts. I've requested spec sheets on this from PZ/QS but received only the dino SJ sheets. I may request again. Someone did get an old sheet (couple of years old) from PZ/QS and posted it on Edmunds. I may have reposted here.

To my untrained eye, it looks like it's performing better in the vehicle than the spec. sheets would indicate.

I do use SuperTech dino and have had no troubles with it, although I haven't had it tested.

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#6957 - 09/17/02 03:57 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
csandste Offline


Registered: 05/31/02
Posts: 882
Loc: St. Peters, Missouri
Come to think of it, I've never seen SuperTech 5W30. In the St. Louis area it's 10W30 only for the syn. [Confused]

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#6958 - 09/17/02 05:00 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
quote:
Originally posted by csandste:
It's from Specialty Petroleum a Quaker State buy out blending plant. Johnny's spent some time describing the whole shebang in other posts. I've requested spec sheets on this from PZ/QS but received only the dino SJ sheets. I may request again. Someone did get an old sheet (couple of years old) from PZ/QS and posted it on Edmunds. I may have reposted here.

To my untrained eye, it looks like it's performing better in the vehicle than the spec. sheets would indicate.

I do use SuperTech dino and have had no troubles with it, although I haven't had it tested.

Weren't you planning on analyzing your next batch of oil at 4k?

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#6959 - 09/17/02 05:30 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1903
Loc: SE MI
This is FULL SYNTHETIC Super-Tech 5W-30, API SL ILSAC GF-3

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH full synthetic Super-Tech 10W-30, API SJ/GF-2 which everyone has.

I have connections and managed to grab a case of this stuff and I'm running it in my 2000 Ford 4.6L SOHC V8

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#6960 - 09/17/02 07:35 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
jjbula Offline


Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 479
Loc: Montgomery, AL
quote:
Originally posted by csandste:
It's from Specialty Petroleum a Quaker State buy out blending plant. Johnny's spent some time describing the whole shebang in other posts. I've requested spec sheets on this from PZ/QS but received only the dino SJ sheets. I may request again. Someone did get an old sheet (couple of years old) from PZ/QS and posted it on Edmunds. I may have reposted here.

To my untrained eye, it looks like it's performing better in the vehicle than the spec. sheets would indicate.

I do use SuperTech dino and have had no troubles with it, although I haven't had it tested.

csandste,

Don't take this the wrong way. How do you know the SuperTech dino is so good? This is coming from someone who just learned the value of analyzing recently.

Just because I don't hear bad things at startup or during acceleration doesn't mean excessive wear isn't occuring. My unscientific look into the valve cover was probably useless too. Near clear oil when draining? Maybe the oil is failing to suspend contaminants and is letting them form deposits.

When I did my first analysis, Terry Dyson alerted me to a head gasket leak.

Maybe I'm a worrier, but I can't say an oil is good until I analyze it.

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#6961 - 09/17/02 07:37 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1903
Loc: SE MI
Also, i was referring to full synthetic 5W-30 and not the full synthetic 10W-30 or the dino Super-Tech oils.. just FYI of course

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#6962 - 09/17/02 08:25 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 13654
Loc: Midwest
I am not sure it's a synthetic, but rather a base oil of Group III oil.

If anyone has a MSDS sheet on it, we can determine that rather quickly.

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#6963 - 09/17/02 09:35 AM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1903
Loc: SE MI
Wal-Mart states that its made by Pennzoil-Quaker State.

I'm still waiting for a MSDS.

Its just marketed as a "Full Synthetic" oil

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#6964 - 09/17/02 02:38 PM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
quote:
Originally posted by metroplex:
Wal-Mart states that its made by Pennzoil-Quaker State.

I'm still waiting for a MSDS.

Its just marketed as a "Full Synthetic" oil

So is Castrol Syntec, and we all know it's not a real synthetic.

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#6965 - 09/17/02 05:34 PM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1903
Loc: SE MI
quote:
Originally posted by Patman:
quote:
Originally posted by metroplex:
Wal-Mart states that its made by Pennzoil-Quaker State.

I'm still waiting for a MSDS.

Its just marketed as a "Full Synthetic" oil

So is Castrol Syntec, and we all know it's not a real synthetic.
I'm just saying IT'S MARKETED AS A FULL SYNTHETIC 5W-30. I'm not talking about the dino 5W-30, or the "full synthetic" 10W-30 SUpertech which people are assuming (the person that posted a link to an oil analysis of Super-Tech synth 10W-30)

They are different because the 10w-30 is only API SJ/GF2 the 5W-30 is SL/GF-3. Must be using different additives o rosmething, either that or Super-Tech has a newer 10W-30 formulation that hasn't hit the shelves yet.

Regardless its one of the least expensive Group IIIs around at $3/qt if its a Group III.

So far I've been hearing that both QS and Pennzoil use PAO base stocks with Group III additives, and then there are ppl that say QS and Pennzoil use Group III base stocks w/o showing any evidence to substantiate that claim.

QS's MSDS shows that it has a PAO base stock, however that might have been the older formulation since the QS Synth with the PAO base stock (1-decene ....) is only GF-2, while the QS Synth on the shelves are GF-3.

Edit by dragboat to remove obvious cuss word [No no]

[ September 18, 2002, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: dragboat ]

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#6966 - 09/17/02 05:49 PM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
metroplex: The Pennzoil, Quaker State, and Wal-Mart SuperTech synthetics (API SL GF3) are made from Group III base stocks.

The SuperTech is made by two different blenders. One is the old Quaker State blending plant in Shreveport Louisiana that use to belong to Speciality Oil, and the other is blended by Warren Oil somewhere in either Alabama or North Carolina.

The Group III base stock in the Pennzoil is refined by Pennzoil and the Group III base stocks in the Quaker State and SuperTech are bought on the open market. All of the products use a different additive package.

Hopes this helps to clear things up some.

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#6967 - 09/17/02 06:15 PM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
Metroplex,so theres your answer to what you will be using after your supply of GF2 runs out if you choose to continue buying and using that brand that is.
3.00 per quart for a group III oil is not cheap when there are some group II's that will hang right with them or out do them with the current offerings that is. All you have to do for proof is go to the analysis section,the numbers tell the story.
IMO the major players are going to have to increase the performance of the group III's and or reduce the price.Right now they seem to only be marginally better than a good group II and there are HUGE differences in some of the available group II SL Dino oils with time proven trusted names.

Now as time goes by,performance of the group III's might increase,they will never be in my cars though until they produce a better product imo

I wish personally that FTC decision would be overturned. It leaves too much room to milk the unkowing comsumers imo,especially with the blends!

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#6968 - 09/17/02 06:41 PM Re: Wal-Mart Super-Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 data...
metroplex Offline


Registered: 09/12/02
Posts: 1903
Loc: SE MI
Interesting.

well I just wanted to see some info regarding what they use exactly as the base stock.

MolaKule commented that 1-decene... was a good PAO base stock.

Quaker STate's MSDS showed that it was the base stock for their synth oil.

Is 1-decene homopolymer, hydrogenated, PAO or Group III?

As for cost - I cannot find any less expensive Group III oils (syntec even in big 5 qt jugs are still around $18-19).

The Super-Tech Synth 5W-30 I used definitely did NOT smell like a petro engine oil, and it flowed a lot better than my normal Pennzoil PureBase 5W-30 - the bottle was totally empty within seconds of pouring it... the PureBase and other dino 5W-30s take a bit to empty out even in the Summer.

I'm waiting on the MSDS sheets before i pass judgement.

Pennzoil just lists "synthetic base stock" for their Pennzane, but QS actually listed hydrogenated 1-decene homopolymer... which MolaKule and others referred to as a good PAO base stock. [Confused]

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