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#481928 - 06/16/03 12:57 AM What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
davefr Offline


Registered: 03/31/03
Posts: 417
Loc: OR
The major manufacturers (Stihl, Husky, Echo) all market their own 50:1 oil. Are these all basically the same?

Are they really premium or just adequate?

What about Mobil MX2T? Is it better?

I want the largest margin of safety for my 2 cycle equipment?

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#481929 - 06/16/03 01:33 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
7TFord Offline


Registered: 01/30/03
Posts: 352
Loc: Ontario, Canada.
I'm just in the process of getting my Stihl gas trimmer running right again. I tried to use a Redline synthetic snomo premix oil in it and it just wouldn't run right on it. Another thing I learned about Stihl is that they don't like to run on stale fuel. I may purchase a new Echo yet if I get PO'd enough with this 6 year old machine, as I have to put a new carb kit in it now. I'd stick to whatever oil the manufacturer recommends for your application as it should offer more than enough protection.

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#481930 - 06/16/03 01:53 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46613
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
I run my chain saw and Stihl weeder on Amsoil 100:1. Both work great on this oil. Better is Amsoil Series 2000 2-stroke oil, but I will slowly use up the 100:1 first.

Many people get paranoid about 100:1 (myself included), but I got over it, because the oil itself is not as dilute as most 2-stroke oils and following the oil recommendation not the tool is best. Even Carl at Carl's Mower and Saw says this.

Dick from Falls Church said the 100:1 was tested to 300:1...I dunno about that, but 100:1 is fine for me.

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#481931 - 06/16/03 01:56 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Stihl orange bottle,and husky oil are mediocre quality and high price. Stihl black bottle and echo premium are decent oils, but again are over priced for what you get. Mobil Mx2t will blow all the above mentioned out of the water performance wise and cost less. If cost isnt a issue motul 800 and maxima k2 are both excellant oils as well.

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#481932 - 06/16/03 02:01 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
"the oil itself is not as dilute as most 2-stroke oils"
I dont know if I buy that. It seems to me you would run into miscability problems if not. More than likely the juiced it up with mettalic anti scuff and wear additives. What people do not understand is that two strokes do not run better on less oil. They in fact make less power and the engines carbon up more with less oil.


"Dick from Falls Church said the 100:1 was tested to 300:1...I dunno about that, but 100:1 is fine for me"

I got some four ball oil tests I cxan show you...... [Smile]

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#481933 - 06/16/03 02:36 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
Amsoil 100 to 1 seems to work well for me I have been using it for years ,it is one of the better products they make IMO.

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#481934 - 06/16/03 02:48 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
penzdude Offline


Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 434
Loc: va beach
i just bought some of the new poulan synthetic 2 stroke oil. seems to work great so far. i'm using it in a homelite zip start straight shaft weedeater, and a poulan pro blower. it's a 40:1 mix so it runs well in most 2 cycle yard equipment. i purchased it at wallmart. if i can remember right, it was around 5.99. enough to make 6 gallons of mix. it has a built in squeeze type measuring cup. previously used pennzoil 40:1, which served well, although i did have some plug fouling issues. penz.

[ June 16, 2003, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: penzdude ]

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#481935 - 06/16/03 02:52 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
penzdude Offline


Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 434
Loc: va beach
oh yeah, i almost forgot, i ran into this stuff in the lawn and garden dept, not where they keep the automotive oils and the other 2 cycle mix. hope this helps a little.

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#481936 - 06/16/03 04:10 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
davefr Offline


Registered: 03/31/03
Posts: 417
Loc: OR
Blano,
I've seen MX2T locally in pints but there's no mixing instructions on the bottle. Is it generally used 50:1? (ie 2.6 oz/gallon)

quote:
Originally posted by blano:
Stihl orange bottle,and husky oil are mediocre quality and high price. Stihl black bottle and echo premium are decent oils, but again are over priced for what you get. Mobil Mx2t will blow all the above mentioned out of the water performance wise and cost less. If cost isnt a issue motul 800 and maxima k2 are both excellant oils as well.


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#481937 - 06/16/03 05:37 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
It will work fine at 50:1, but I would run a little more.

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#481938 - 06/16/03 06:32 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Chris142 Online   content


Registered: 06/05/03
Posts: 11262
Loc: apple valley, ca
Torco GP-7

The best darned 2-stroke oil I have ever used.

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#481939 - 06/16/03 07:35 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
TooSlick Offline


Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 5785
Loc: Dixie
I'd recommend the Amsoil 100:1, mixed at that ratio. I've been using and selling it for about 10 years and it works flawlessly in applications calling for 40:1 or 50:1 mixes. As I've pointed out in the past, this formulation isn't diluted with solvents - that's why it has a flash point of 507F and a pour point of only -17F. By comparison, the Amsoil injector oil has a flash point of about 160F and a pour point of approx -45F, so it is cut with solvent. In the latter case, the very low pour point is required for snowmobile use in oil injection systems.

TooSlick

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#481940 - 06/16/03 05:10 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Bartman Offline


Registered: 03/12/03
Posts: 22
Loc: Maine
I use Klotz synthetic snowmobile oil in my weedwacker and chain saw, if you have ever used Klotz you know it has that nitro racey smell to it, so it makes those unpleasent chores just a little more fun.

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#481941 - 06/16/03 11:53 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
cousincletus Offline


Registered: 09/25/02
Posts: 2513
Loc: Richmond, VA
I have used Amsoil 100-1 oil for 5 years now with good results. I mix it in a five gallon can, which makes the ratio more like an 80:1. Have two lawnboys, Homelite weed whacker, Stihl saw and Homelite leaf blower. Use this mix in all of them. [Cheers!]

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#481942 - 06/17/03 02:48 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
darrenc Offline


Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 378
Loc: West Coast
I use the Amsoil 100:1. Best stuff I've ever used. Super, super clean. No durability issues in the last 5 years. It gets used in a Homelite blower, a Weedeater ultralite line trimmer, and a Weedeater hedge trimmer.

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#481943 - 06/17/03 07:02 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
FowVay Offline


Registered: 06/02/02
Posts: 2174
Loc: Southeastern USA
At the moment I have Schaeffer's 7000 2-cycle oil mixed in my gas can. I also have on the shelf some Amsoil 100:1 and the Poulan Synthetic. All three of these oils have performed great in my leaf blower and weed eater. I'm probably going to stick with the Schaeffer's though because it seems to run a bit smoother. Smoke and plug fouling has not been a problem with any of the oils mentioned.

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#481944 - 06/18/03 12:36 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Why in the world would some one want to run as little oils as possible in a two cycle?

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#481945 - 06/18/03 11:30 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
47HO Offline


Registered: 11/18/02
Posts: 379
Loc: Alabama
quote:
Why in the world would some one want to run as little oils as possible in a two cycle?
But assuming that the Amsoil 100:1 is not diluted with solvent as much as the others, you really wouldn't be using less oil. Am I understanding this correctly? I see it as comparing two bottles of laundry detergent, the regular and the concentrated. [I dont know]

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#481946 - 06/19/03 06:00 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada


[ June 19, 2003, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: blano ]

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#481947 - 06/19/03 06:03 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
I dont know if I buy the solvent explanation. MX2T has about 15% solvent. The differance between 32:1 and 100:1 is a much greater percentage than 15%. Besides why does every other company that maxes two cycle oil besides amsoil add solvent? Is amsoil privy to knowkledge that Mobil doesnt have? I think not as amsoil actually buys their base oils from Mobil. I think more than likely what Amssil has done is to load the formualtion up with lots of mettalic antiwear additives. If the are doing this it would be terrible from a pre ignition, and deposit standpoint.

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#481948 - 06/19/03 08:41 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Hirev Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 1198
Loc: Oregon
Oil is you 2 strokes friend. I see no reason to go leaner than 40:1 on the oil ratio And I use 32:1 myself.

[ June 20, 2003, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

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#481949 - 06/20/03 03:32 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
"Oil is you 2 strokes friend. I see no reason to go leaner than 40:1 on the oil ratio And I use 32:1 myself"
Sound advice.

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#481950 - 06/20/03 04:14 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
userfriendly Offline


Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 953
Loc: Kamloops B.C. Canada
I jumped all over the map and ended up using 40:1 with Shell's egd advance in MX bikes.
100:1 ?? Good grief, whats the point? A contest to see who can run the least oil?
Well I guess there is no harm in that as long as the consiquence does not exceed the cost of the oil being saved and the machines you are expimenting with are your own.

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#481951 - 06/20/03 06:41 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
I have heard Shell advance has a great rep with snowmobile guys in the rockies. I would love to test the stuff, but I have never seen it.

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#481952 - 06/21/03 10:27 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
userfriendly Offline


Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 953
Loc: Kamloops B.C. Canada
Shell has both a PWC and snowmobil EG-D oil. I think that they are the same product with different labels. I bought a couple of cases from the bulk lube place for $6.00 CDN/litre or around $4.00 USD/litre.
Then I lucked out at Cannuck Tire and found the stuff mis-priced at $9.99 for 4litre jugs the same day as they had Castrol snowmobile on for $5.99 CDN in 4-litre jugs.......
Needless to say I have 2-stroke oil forever. [Happy]

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#481953 - 06/21/03 07:01 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 4096
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
After 30 years of casual testing I can say that you will not be able to beat Mobil MX2t mixed at 32 to 1.

Chris

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#481954 - 06/21/03 10:22 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Cujet, Why dont you tell them about your expiereance with MX2T and other oils in your Husky?

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#481955 - 06/23/03 07:45 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Rat407 Offline


Registered: 12/13/02
Posts: 726
Loc: North Carolina
Amsoil 100:1, been runing it in my Craftsman leaf blower it is 6 yrs old, ( which here in NC dosen't get to cold when it is time to clean up the yard and it runs wide open nonstop for four tanks till the yard is done) Mini Mac chain saw that is 7 yrs old, up to this year cut an average of 4 cords of wood a year. IDE weed wacker 9 yrs old. All no problems, never changed a spark plug. I ran it at 100:1 even in my Personal Water Craft a 650 Yamaha Super Jet that called for 50:1.

I too at first was concerned with the mix but since then a tried and true user from my use of it.

May I also say that I don't do anything to the leaf blower, chain saw or weed eater from season to season, just top off and store till next year. Not even a trace of fuel stabilizer.

Yea your saying I'm asking for trouble. Well so far so good and 9 years is a long time with no trouble.

Now watch me go out and have nothing but trouble tomorrow when I go to use the blower on the driveway after I mow. [Big Grin]

Oh and if you want a race smell like Bartman that uses Klotz, just run some 114 octane. Makes the same smell like your at a 2 stroke race. [Cool]

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#481956 - 06/23/03 06:13 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
I have run mobil mx 2t in my stihl fs 85 trimmer for several years at 32:1(lots of use). I bet my engine is as clean or cleaner than yours run on amsoil 100:1. I would also bet it exibits less wear.

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#481957 - 06/23/03 07:32 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Rat407 Offline


Registered: 12/13/02
Posts: 726
Loc: North Carolina
quote:
Originally posted by blano:
I have run mobil mx 2t in my stihl fs 85 trimmer for several years at 32:1(lots of use). I bet my engine is as clean or cleaner than yours run on amsoil 100:1. I would also bet it exibits less wear.

Probably does. I just know that my luck with Amsoil has been great and it is easy for me to get. One of those if it works then don't mess with it kind of thing.

I just noticed at Auto Zone they carried the mx2t. Never seen it before anywhere else.

I guess the law of supply and demand on the Amsoil comes into play. I use it and supply of it is easy access for me. I'm sure if the mx2t was easy to get at the time I started using synthetic 2 cycle then I would be using it. [Smile]

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#481958 - 06/27/03 11:30 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
NThomas Offline


Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 153
Loc: utah
alot of these companie shave Spectum bottle their oil. not sure if you had heard of them and how good of a company Spectrum is, but let me know

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#481959 - 06/28/03 09:59 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Spectrum very well could be a packageing only company. The companys the\at actually produce stihl, husky, and echo oil are all major, well known companies.

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#481960 - 06/30/03 08:02 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 4096
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
OK Ben.

FWIW, I have a 1994 Husky 360WXC 2 stroke. Since new, it has had some problems with loss of compression due to ring wear on the exhaust bridge. As an aircraft mechanic, I keep tabs on what works and for how long. I determined that 30 hours was the maximum ring life in my engine.

The reasons are many, but the fact remains that to exceed 30 hours resulted in piston failure due to blowby.

Almost right away the compression would decrease as the rings wore over the exhaust bridge.

I used a number of brands of oil. I even went so far as to mix it at 16 to 1 in an attempt to extend engine life (Did not work). Oils used include BelRay MC1, Golden Spectro, (Redline Racing Oil at 16 to 1, was by far the worst) Klotz R50, Maxima synthetic and BelRay H1R.

WIth the exception of Redline Racing oil, all of the oils provided an acceptable, normal level of performance.

Mobil 1 MX2t (my current fav) has been in use now for well over 30 hours with no loss of compression. That is better performance than I have gotten out of any other oil. In addtion the powervalves are still free and the powervalve chamber is not full of half burned dirty oil. (which would leak out onto the piston after shutdown) and contaminate the engine.

For whatever reason, this oil and my Husky engine really get along. I cannot predict how long or how much longer it will last using MX2t. It is probably a combination of factors that make this oil work so well. One of which is that it provides adequate lubrication while burning cleanly and leaving little in the way of deposits.

By the way, it meets EGD and API TC requirements. So, use in a SeaDoo engine is OK as far as warranty is concerned.

Chris

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#481961 - 07/11/03 08:58 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
cryptokid Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 1565
Loc: palm beach
for somthing like a line trimmer or blower just use any old oil. it doesnt really matter. use 10w30 or tcw3 or whatever.
little 2stroke engines will run forever and a half on any kind of oil.

i think you guys are too picky about things.
i can understand wanting a good 2stroke oil for a dirtbike, pwc, outboard, or some high end chainsaw. but for simple little $150 string trimmer or blower, using a GOOD oil is a waste of money. i used klotz in my dirtbike, but i wouldnt waste my money putting it in my blower or string trimmer.
what is more important, is to properly tune your engine. adjust the low and high speed needles for proper air to fuel ratio for whatever gas and oil you use. i have a green machine string trimmer thats probably older than i am, and it runs great to this day using whatever oil i had sitting around, even used car motor oil. it uses a zenoah g32 engine, which is specked at 32:1 oil mix. do ya think i care? i just dump a bit of oil in the gallon gas can, dont even bother to measure it. if i had to guess id say i average about 50:1 mix for the thing.
my point is that it just doesnt matter. little 2strokes dont require good oil, they dont require good gas either.

proper tuning of the carb is what keeps your engine internals cleanly, and keeps your exhaust from plugging up. just about every single small 2stroke is set way to rich from the factory, and as the air filter plugs up, it gets even worse.
thats as simple as it needs to be , a little carborator tweak once in a while and your off and running for another month.

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#481962 - 07/12/03 06:34 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Crypto, I dont know where you are getting your info at, but todays modern two cycle OPE engines do not cost $150. A good stihl, shin, redmax, or echo can easily cost double that and back pack blower even more. Further more todays two cycle are required to run very lean on light mix ratios to meet epa standards. Using tcw3 or auto oil is not only stupid, but it doesnt save any mony as decent two cycle oils can be had for about $3.50 per pint. If you want ot mistreat your equipment go ahead. i choose to trreat mine properly and the always last a long time even under comercial use.

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#481963 - 07/12/03 08:22 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
cryptokid Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 1565
Loc: palm beach
blano, it has been my expierence that modern 2strokes are still set way to rich from the factory. i dont care what you think the epa says or doesnt say. my air/fuel ratio guage doesnt lie, neither does my perception of the engine running at wot. you can "tell" when a 2stroke is running at optimum by how it sounds, feels and how the rpm's hold up. and if i cant tell by instinct, then welding a nut into the exhaust and screwing in an o2 sensor and hooking it up to my air-fuel ratio guage sure tells me whats going on.

i know 2strokes of the past were WAYYY too rich.
modern ones are not so bad. but they are still rich. if by "lean burning" the epa really means "closer to optimum" then i can agree with that. but they are NOT running lean in the more common sence. i have not yet encountered a new modern or older 2stroke that was mechanically sound condition, and came from the factory running lean, unless it was leaking air past the intake, or some other abnormal problem.

as i said in my earlier post, i can certainly understand using good oil for an expensive 2stroke. if you have some $500 backpack blower, than by all means run whatever oil you want. if i had a $500 blower i would probably run good oil in it too. but my blower is a 32cc homelite yardvark i got for $115 at home depot. you think im going to put $25/gallon oil in this thing? no way man. that thing is lucky is it gets real 2stroke oil at all and not just motor oil.
and i bet alot of people are similar to me in that they might not have top of the line equipment. some people just cant afford to fork over $500 for a backpack blower. or some people might not need that much blower.

[ July 12, 2003, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: cryptokid ]

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#481964 - 07/12/03 10:26 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Not that it matters, but a a/f gauge is useless in tuning a two cycle motor. Even very spendy Bosch beta type sensors leave alot to be desired. As far modern two cycle OPE engines being rich from the factory. I disagree whole heartly. A chain saw I just bought was lean to the point of meltdown as delivered and a trimmeer I just purchased is spot on. BTW I know when a two cycle is runnign properly as I have raced and tuned them for years.

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#481965 - 07/15/03 07:04 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
sbc350gearhead Offline


Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 2556
Loc: Columbus Ohio
I don't know much about 2-stroke stuff. I have been using valvoline tcw3 oil for 3 years now (bought a quart on sale for 50 cents). I have no idea what tcw3 means. I just always assumed it was some sort of classification such as sg,sl,etc. It seems to work fine in my 65 dollar trimmer and my 100 dollar leafblower. Is this stuff bad for the engine?

[ July 15, 2003, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: sbc350gearhead ]

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#481966 - 07/15/03 04:09 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
SBC, TCW3 oil is not the right oil for your application. Tcw3 is outboard oil. What you need is aircooled oil.

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#481967 - 07/15/03 05:24 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
GregH Offline


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 211
Loc: Rome, Ga
Blano,
I have a question to ask since you seem to be very knowledgeable.
IN my 2 cycle stuff I have been using a product called OPTI-2. It is rated E-GD+, I think is the designation. It is about 1.3 ounces per gallon and it is widely used here in the south. Noone seems to have trouble using it. It is made of a German caompany called OPTIMAL.
Since listening to some of your posts I bought some MX2T.
Any ideas on the Opti-2. I admit sounds like so little oil for my Stihl. I agree it is best not to skimp on things like this, It was recommended and I tried it, but now worrt a little.
Thanks
Greg H

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#481968 - 07/15/03 07:24 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Greg, A freind is actually sending me some OPti-2 to test. I must say I am pretty suspicious of the product based on Opti's website which is full of slick 50 type psuedo science. As far as the lean mix goes. I am not crazy about it. Although I do not know for sure I would be quite suprised if opti burned cleaner at 70:1 than Mobil did at 32:1. keep in mind in a two cycle motor the less oil you have in the gasoline mix the less detergant you have to clean up deposits. Also warranty issues arise from using less oil than reccomended.

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#481969 - 07/16/03 09:15 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
GregH Offline


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 211
Loc: Rome, Ga
Blano,
THanks for the reply. I only used the Opti2 for something new to fool with. Hasn't killed any of my stuff but who knows. Let us know your opinion. ALso I have used it on Shindawa stuff that requires 40:1 with the Opti-2 at the stated mix with no OBVIOUS damage.
Thanks again
Greg Harrison

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#481970 - 07/16/03 01:16 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
tmorris1 Offline


Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 2038
Loc: MN
I tried a tank of Opti-2 and dumped it out. I tried using it in an ice auger and it seemed to separate and leave black specs in the gas. I had a friend run it for a winter in his power auger because opti-2 is what the local bait shop sold, and he blew his engine up.
Maybe it is just coincidence, but I would stay away from Opti-2.

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#481971 - 07/16/03 02:42 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Hirev Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 1198
Loc: Oregon
I would not use Opti 2 in anything you care about. It has its fans. But I had a ridding buddy that used it in his bike. He stopped using it in under a year. It took many years for him to tell me he seized his bike 2 times on this stuff. He believed the guy selling him the stuff, that it could be ran at 100:1 in a dirt bike. He mixed it a 100:1 on 1 seize and 75:1 on the 2nd seize.

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#481972 - 07/16/03 05:10 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Hirev, I uspect you are right aboiut opti. I would never consider using it in a bike of anykind. The engine I will be testing it in is a Jonsered 2045 saw. The saw is being rebuilt at the moment from a cylinder and topened kit I got for 50 bucks. If it blows I am not out too much coin.

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#481973 - 07/16/03 04:50 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
GregH Offline


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 211
Loc: Rome, Ga
Sounds like I may be using a product that may not be a s good as they had me convinced it was. Usually if it sounds too good to be true it is.
Greg

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#481974 - 07/16/03 06:18 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
" if it sounds too good to be true it is."

Very true.

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#481975 - 07/16/03 07:56 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Terry Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 3845
Loc: Greenville , Texas
Hey I'm no expert on 2 cycle engines so take this with a grain.

Also I am using the cryptokid theory of 2 cycle lubricants.

I have a really cheap Weed eater that a lady
from church left for me to "use". Translated:fix.

Its a Weed Eater GTI 15T and it is the most frustrating piece of junk I have ever attempted to use.

The carbon buildup in the CC and top of piston was beyond normal and would not run.

I pulled the plug poured in LC until full,rotated engine a pull or two, poured in more LC and reinstalled plug. Sat 2 days.

Mixed LC into rancid 2 stroke mercruiser oil I had from 1990 ? at 10% by recommended oil volume, Odis's level not our papers.

Mixed FP to gas at 1oz to 5 gallons and poured concoction into fuel/oil tank.

Cleaned plug and noted about 80 % clean metal showing now on piston top with lots of floaties, cleaned out as much as possible and this thing is running like a scalded rabbit and starts first pull if I choke correctly.

Will update if thing blows !

Still can't get the line to feed properly .Fiddle with line every 5 minutes cutting near the chain link cyclone fence at the compound here. [Mad]

[ July 17, 2003, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Terry ]

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#481976 - 07/17/03 02:54 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
sbc350gearhead Offline


Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 2556
Loc: Columbus Ohio
quote:
Originally posted by blano:
SBC, TCW3 oil is not the right oil for your application. Tcw3 is outboard oil. What you need is aircooled oil.

Blano.....since you seem to be the 2-cycle expert, what would you recommend that I use......The mobil stuff?

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#481977 - 07/17/03 04:42 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Mobil would be fine,. if it s a cheap piece like terrys any iso egd aircooled oil will work fine and there are many.

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#481978 - 07/19/03 04:02 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
MHC Offline


Registered: 07/18/03
Posts: 25
Loc: FLa
I've had very good luck with Castrol Super 2 stroke.

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#481979 - 07/19/03 07:07 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
I ran castrol super in a snowmobile for about 6000 miles. When I pulled it down to re ring it the piston and head looked terrible from a deposit standpoint. Wear was average.

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#481980 - 07/19/03 07:57 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 4096
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
One thing to consider is the Mobil 1 MX2t stays mixed, does not seem to have a serious problem with water abosrbtion (as some other super oils do) and lubricates with the best of them.

This makes it the all around best choice.

I have worn out those little 2 cycle lawn tools. I have a few heavily wooded acres, I cleared my house pad myself and thinned out the weeds. I did wear out a Ryobi weedwacker using Redline Racing oil. The crankshaft failed, and it had been loosing compression.

Chris

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#481981 - 07/19/03 08:06 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Hirev Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 1198
Loc: Oregon
quote:
Originally posted by MHC:
I've had very good luck with Castrol Super 2 stroke.

From the same people who started (brought us) $4.50 a qt group III "synthetic" car oil. I would have a hard time using anything they blend. Just my 2 cents.

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#481982 - 07/20/03 12:18 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
IMO Redline two cycle oil should be avoided like a case of genital warts.

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#481983 - 07/20/03 01:44 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Gebo Offline


Registered: 09/18/02
Posts: 672
Loc: VA
My Dad doesn't believe in "synthetics" and uses various 2 cycle oils. Generally, whatever the salesman tells him. Every year he has to take his weedeater, leafblower in for repairs. He just told me the other day he was gonna buy another ">>>>>" because the last 3 had lasted 2 years.

I've been using Amsoil 100:1 since I got married in 1983 and have NEVER had to take any 2 cycle piece of my equipment in for any kind of repair. 2 weedeaters and 2 leaf blowers. Maybe I'm just lucky??? No, I like to think of it as "wisdom." [Big Grin]

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#481984 - 07/20/03 01:48 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
MHC Offline


Registered: 07/18/03
Posts: 25
Loc: FLa
blano-are you sure Castrol super 2-stroke met the requirements for your snowmobile? The super 2-stroke I use has a NMMA TC-W rating.

Hirev-it did seem that castrol tried to pull one over on use with that deal. Although they won there case against mobile.

I have an 8 year old echo blower that runs like new and still has the original spark plug running the castrol super 2-stroke

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#481985 - 07/20/03 03:58 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Snowmobiles oems use to spec tcw fluids. Thats one of the reasons the motor was so filthy. It was a fan cooled motor fwiw. BTW Castrol markets a variety of two cycle lubes that are called "super" this or that. Some meet tc jaso fb specs and others are tcw3-tcw lubes. The quality of Castrols two cycle lubes is pretty poor compared to for they cost.

[ July 20, 2003, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: blano ]

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#481986 - 07/20/03 05:48 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
MHC Offline


Registered: 07/18/03
Posts: 25
Loc: FLa
blano, are you saying any oil would have gummed up because it was fan cooled? Also, did you like castrol before you tore your snowmobile down or was it recommended by someone?
Mark

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#481987 - 07/20/03 06:30 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Mhc, What I am saying is that tcw type ashless fluids lend themselves to heavy deposits when used in aircooled motors. They simply do not have the high temp detergancy of a low ash formualtion

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#481988 - 07/20/03 05:49 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Gebo Offline


Registered: 09/18/02
Posts: 672
Loc: VA
oops

[ July 21, 2003, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Gebo ]

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#481989 - 07/20/03 05:52 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Gebo Offline


Registered: 09/18/02
Posts: 672
Loc: VA
quote:
Originally posted by Gebo:
because the last 3 had lasted 2 years.

[/QB]

should read "the last 2 had lasted 3 years."

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#481990 - 07/20/03 08:00 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 4096
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
Hey Ben, now you tell me that Redline Racing oil is junk:) After all those ruined engines:)

FWIW, Castrol TTS is the required oil in our 2 stroke self launching motorglider, DG800B. TTS is a full synthetic (in Castrol's mind?) and seems to work quite well. The engine has a life span of 400 hours, which is quite good as compared to a similar Rotax (250 hours). Castrol TTS also meets E-GD specs.

Chris

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#481991 - 07/21/03 01:47 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Hirev Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 1198
Loc: Oregon
Has anyone noticed that for years high flash points of 2 stroke oil was best for protecton? Now alot of the newer stuff has lower flash points. Seems like they have changed their way of thinking. Cleaner burning seems to be in.
Amsoil 100 to 1, flash point 507 F.
Amsoil Series 2000, flash point 235 F.
Amsoil AIO, flash point 205 F.
Maxima Formula K2, flash point 240 F.
Maxima Super M, flash point 280 F.
Mobil MX2T, flash point 190 F.
Castrol TTS, flash point 169 F.
Valvoline 2 stroke motorcycle oil, flash point 172 F.
I Just thought the trend was intresting. [I dont know]

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#481992 - 07/21/03 01:55 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Flashpoint is only posted for shipping purposes. It basicaly only tells you at what point the dilluent burns at so it really has no bearing on a oils high temp capabilitys. Also some companys post a oils endpoint( temp at which the oil completly combusts) and call it flash point or fire point in their sales literature. You are correct about clean burning being in. The less deposits in the engine the less wear that will occure and the less chance of spark plug fouling and pre ignition. I have actually seen a engine run on mx2t for 20 race hours( a huge amount fora race cart) in a shifter Kart which had no carbon in the exhaust port, no varnish on the piston and a combustion chamber and piston crown that had a creamed coffee pateena.

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#481993 - 07/21/03 07:49 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Hirev Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 1198
Loc: Oregon
quote:
Originally posted by blano:
Flashpoint is only posted for shipping purposes. It basicaly only tells you at what point the dilluent burns at so it really has no bearing on a oils high temp capabilitys.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. That makes since.

Interesting about the shifter kart. It sure beats the heak out of the old castor oil days.

Been reading alot on 2 stroke oils. Something that seemed strange is Klotz has a RPM limit on their 2 stroke oils.

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#481994 - 07/21/03 08:36 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Klotz oil leaves alot to be desired. The castor blend oils burn really dirty and the full syn oils they sell arent much better. I have used r-50 and supertechniplate in mx bikes and I have used klotz snowmobile in my sleds. The only thing I liked about them was the smell, other than that they are high price, low performance oils.

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#481995 - 07/25/03 06:05 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
GregH Offline


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 211
Loc: Rome, Ga
Blano,
Just tried the first of the the MX2T you recommended. Seems to mix well and no smoke at even 40:1. Thanks for the info
Greg Harrison

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#481996 - 07/26/03 04:19 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
Greg, It will not smoke if the mototr is tuned properly at 20:1. I just ordered three cases of MX2T myself. I haved moved to a place with no retail outlets for it, so I have to stock up.

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#481997 - 04/06/04 05:48 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
JohnnyG Offline


Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 323
Loc: Ohio
quote:

Hirev-it did seem that castrol tried to pull one over on use with that deal. Although they won there case against mobile.

Oh great! Now we are supposed to believe that the outcome of court cases somehow reflect reality.

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#481998 - 04/16/04 02:08 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
gfcrane Offline


Registered: 02/05/03
Posts: 168
Loc: St George, Utah
Last fall my battery-powered trimmer quit and I decided to try a two stroke, gas trimmer. Bought a cheap model WeedEater from WalMart. Two bottles of Poulan two stroke oil were included in the box. I mixed one with a gallon of gasoline following the instructions. I had read some on this forum about using synthetics but was too cheap to throw away the Poulan stuff. Anyhow, it never ran very well (hard to start, needed choke all the time, poor acceleration, etc.) but I thought this must be how they run.
Finally used up the gallon and decided to try some Mobil 1 MX2T. Used it yesterday and couldn't beleive the difference. Started first pull and ran like a scalded cat. I haven't bothered to pull the plug or look inside, but I'm now a believer in synthetics for two strokes. Have used synthetics in my cars like forever.

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#481999 - 04/17/04 09:34 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Brett Miller Offline


Registered: 09/09/03
Posts: 2636
Loc: Arizona
I just mixed up a gallon of of MX2T at 40:1 for my cheap WeedEater leaf blower. What a difference! Before with Pennzoil, if I let it idle after a hard run it would load if terribly. With the MX2T, it does not load up near as much and seems to run more RPM's on top end.

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#482000 - 05/05/04 07:22 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Eigeraholic Offline


Registered: 04/29/04
Posts: 19
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
I have used Amsoil 100:1 for about 1 year now mixed at 80:1 for all of my 2 stroke equipment. All my yard equipment is 2 stroke. Lawnboy lawnmower = 32:1, weed wacker 50:1, chain saw 40:1, blower 50:1, snow blower 32:1, ATV 32:1, and outboard 32:1. I now have 1 gas can for all of them!!! I do not worry about the gas going bad anymore. My equipment runs much better! The difference is night and day for my lawn mower. My father and I were cutting fire wood this last winter. He only uses 50:1 in his saw. I use amsoil in my saw. He ran out and was very impressed how litte smoke came from my saw and it seemed to run great. I filled his saw up with my mix. He could not believe the difference in his saw. I had to buy him a quart of the 100:1 after that.

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#482001 - 06/06/04 08:31 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
GT Mike Offline


Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 752
Loc: Oshkosh, WI
Back many years ago, my neighbor gave me some Yamalube he had laying around and I ran it in my old '75 Lawn-Boy at 16:1 because I was convinced by the label on the mower that said 32:1 on Lawn-Boy oil, and 16:1 on other brands. It worked great, and produced less smoke then the LB oil did with half as much in the gas! It also seemed to run smoother, and had a much more pleasant smell to it.

I will be trying MX2T in my newest Lawn-Boy DuraForce engine.

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#482002 - 08/20/04 06:31 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
harrydog Offline


Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 748
Loc: Ohio
Can the Mobil 1 MX2T be run at 50:1?

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#482003 - 08/20/04 08:56 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
tmorris1 Offline


Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 2038
Loc: MN
quote:
Originally posted by harrydog:
Can the Mobil 1 MX2T be run at 50:1?

Yes, it can be run at about any ratio.

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#482004 - 08/21/04 11:12 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
jsharp Offline


Registered: 12/25/02
Posts: 3585
Loc: Outside smalltown, IL
quote:
Originally posted by tmorris1:
quote:
Originally posted by harrydog:
Can the Mobil 1 MX2T be run at 50:1?

Yes, it can be run at about any ratio.
I've been running it at 40-1 with excellent results. It easy to mix that way too. A 1 pint bottle to 5 gallons of fuel...

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#482005 - 08/23/04 09:39 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Brons2 Offline


Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 2484
Loc: Austin, Texas
quote:
Originally posted by Cujet:

By the way, it meets EGD and API TC requirements. So, use in a SeaDoo engine is OK as far as warranty is concerned.

Chris

My seadoo specifically says not to use TCW3 oil. It asks for the 1st generation (TC-W) oil with higher ash in it. I just use the Seadoo/Bombardier oil, which is about $15 a gallon. Was thinking of going to the Amsoil injector lube but really the SD oil works fine so I'll stick with that.

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#482006 - 08/23/04 07:10 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 4096
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
Brons2, The cheap SeaDoo oil is not a good choice in my opinion. I raced those rascals for 3.5 years and have owned them since 1990. Every time I used the (free to me) SeaDoo oil I had early ring sticking, rapid wear on the exhaust port side and the resulting early engine overhaul. Those signs are characteristic of a poor oil.

The use of M1 MX2t will eliminate the risk of ring sticking and will reduce the wear on the ex port side of the rings. This is due to the better high temperature lubrication the synthetic oil provides.

Also, SeaDoo synthetic oil (the expensive stuff) may in fact be Castrol TTS or a variety of it. An oil that meets the exact same specs as the M1.

By the way, there is nothing in the M1 MX2t specification that does not meet SeaDoo's requirements.

Chris

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#482007 - 08/24/04 05:35 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
65hoss Offline


Registered: 10/17/03
Posts: 28
Loc: Memphis
Amazing thread. I own a landscape/maintenance company. Lots of 2 cycle stuff. I run ONLY Opti 2. I have trimmers with well over 3000 hours on them and still running strong. Never had to clean the carbon or gunk out of them. They don't have any. Plugs last a lot longer. I've been using it only for 5 seasons now and never had 1 failure. All this "the dealer said" or "a friend said" is just too funny.

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#482008 - 08/27/04 01:32 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
harrydog Offline


Registered: 07/17/03
Posts: 748
Loc: Ohio
Hey Mr. hoss!
I've read some of your posts over at Lawnsite.com, a sight I recently discovered. There is a wealth of knowledge over there.
It seems as though there are some professionals who put thousands of hours on their equipment who are using Opti-2 with great success. I was about to order some, when I stumbled accross this thread, and then had second thoughts.
I don't put the hours on my equipment that the pros do, but I'm a fanatic about maintaining my equipment and I want to use the very best 2-cycle oil available. Unfortunately, it seems there is no clear cut answer as to the best. [I dont know]

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#482009 - 08/29/04 09:36 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
65hoss Offline


Registered: 10/17/03
Posts: 28
Loc: Memphis
quote:
Originally posted by harrydog:
Hey Mr. hoss!
I've read some of your posts over at Lawnsite.com, a sight I recently discovered. There is a wealth of knowledge over there.
It seems as though there are some professionals who put thousands of hours on their equipment who are using Opti-2 with great success. I was about to order some, when I stumbled accross this thread, and then had second thoughts.
I don't put the hours on my equipment that the pros do, but I'm a fanatic about maintaining my equipment and I want to use the very best 2-cycle oil available. Unfortunately, it seems there is no clear cut answer as to the best. [I dont know]

Lawnsite is a great site. Tons of info.

Opti2 has worked awesome for me. I put it in thousands of dollars of equipment every year. If it ever had problems I would know it. I wouldn't let oil cost me my business.

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#482010 - 08/31/04 08:56 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
NThomas Offline


Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 153
Loc: utah
I frequent Lawnsite.com and have linked this site many times. Name there is sawman.

Opti-2 is a good oil mix.

I dont understand why people say that they dont do it for a profession so they dont want to use the best equipment or oil! You will save so much $$ by buying better equipment, or wear and tear by better oil, etc.

Im glad to see some people from Lawnsite posting on here, at least someone read what i wrote. [Big Grin]

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#482011 - 09/01/04 08:15 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
quote:
There is a wealth of knowledge over there.

More like a wealth of BS!

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#482012 - 09/01/04 09:56 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
NThomas Offline


Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 153
Loc: utah
Just like on every forum!!!!

Its not all right!

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#482013 - 09/01/04 06:08 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
GregH Offline


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 211
Loc: Rome, Ga
I agree Blano. You are pretty arumentative sometimes but I threw away the Opti2 I have been using for about 5 years after trying the Mobile MX2t. Runs cleaner, less smoke and the main thing is I like the smell.Just kidding about the smell thing of course. I did not see any advantage to Opti2. Ratio was as advertised and it still smoked and would foul a plug . So no advantage. I thing the EUTECTIC stuff my be marketing like the stuff Castrol presents. I gree I have not used it in many , many machines, but I have tried it in 6 different machines. They all seemed to run better, in my opinion. This is not intended to cause any hurt feelings. Just another man's findings.
GregH

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#482014 - 09/01/04 08:31 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
tmorris1 Offline


Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 2038
Loc: MN
Could the Opti-2 just have problems in the cold winter months? I tried using it in a gas ice auger and it didn't seem to mix very well. It looked like it flaked up and seperated. I also had a friend who ran it and blew up and auger. Seems many run it in lawn equipment without problems, but that is during warm weather. Just something to think about.

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#482015 - 09/29/04 08:03 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
fractal Offline


Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 13
Loc: California
I am no expert and do not run a landscaping business. I am simply a consumer. That said, here is what I have experienced.

I started off with whatever home depot sold. I ran this in my ryobi weed whacker. It did ok. I then bought a husky chain saw and continued to use the same fuel/oil mixture. I got it back from being sharpened the second time and it would not start. I took it back to the dealer who sold it to me (at list price) and who had sharpened the blade for me and they looked at it. Aparantly the plug was fouled. The cleaned out the fuel tank, replaced the plug and gave me a 6 pack of husky oil. I guess they felt sorry for me. Husky oil runs 50:1. The home depot stuff I bought before was running 32:1. Now, the chainsaw runs great but the ryobi string trimmer fights me to stay running. I have to keep the choke on to keep it running. I have cleaned the air filter, cleaned the carb, cleaned everything that can be cleaned, tweaked the mixture screws and no joy. So I deal with it.

I am seriously considering a 40:1 mx2t test next year to see if it works better than the 50:1 mix with the husky branded oil to see if the ryobi likes it better.

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#482016 - 10/01/04 09:59 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Jelly Offline


Registered: 08/10/03
Posts: 2569
Loc: College Dorm...
quote:
Originally posted by blano:
any iso egd aircooled oil will work fine and there are many.

Agree! I personally use Mobil 1 MX2T, but will recommend any JASO FC, ISO-L-EGD oil. Use one with these "specs", and you'll be ahead of most people out there...

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#482017 - 10/04/04 12:25 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
OMCWankel Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 238
Loc: Florida
My background is in 2-stroke motorcycles, both off-road and street driven. I have used petro based, and synthetic premix oils, from several manufacturers. The good synthetic oils do a better job in coating all metal surfaces, and burn cleaner. This statement is from my own experience with top end and crankcase inspections/tear-downs.

I use Bel Ray MC1+ in all my trimmers, at a ratio of 40/1. With this system, I do not have to replace spark plugs, and the powerheads outlast the rest of the trimmer (LOL)! I have owned Ryobi, Weed Eater, and now Husky trimmers. This mix worked in them all.

Ask your local dirt bike dealer what his customers use in a synthetic pre-mix oil. Any oil that will give good performance in a high-strung dirt bike, will work very well in 2-stroke lawn equipment.

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#482018 - 10/16/04 08:10 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Chris142 Online   content


Registered: 06/05/03
Posts: 11262
Loc: apple valley, ca
quote:
Originally posted by cryptokid:
for somthing like a line trimmer or blower just use any old oil. it doesnt really matter. use 10w30 or tcw3 or whatever.
little 2stroke engines will run forever and a half on any kind of oil.

i think you guys are too picky about things.
i can understand wanting a good 2stroke oil for a dirtbike, pwc, outboard, or some high end chainsaw. but for simple little $150 string trimmer or blower, using a GOOD oil is a waste of money. i used klotz in my dirtbike, but i wouldnt waste my money putting it in my blower or string trimmer.
what is more important, is to properly tune your engine. adjust the low and high speed needles for proper air to fuel ratio for whatever gas and oil you use. i have a green machine string trimmer thats probably older than i am, and it runs great to this day using whatever oil i had sitting around, even used car motor oil. it uses a zenoah g32 engine, which is specked at 32:1 oil mix. do ya think i care? i just dump a bit of oil in the gallon gas can, dont even bother to measure it. if i had to guess id say i average about 50:1 mix for the thing.
my point is that it just doesnt matter. little 2strokes dont require good oil, they dont require good gas either.

proper tuning of the carb is what keeps your engine internals cleanly, and keeps your exhaust from plugging up. just about every single small 2stroke is set way to rich from the factory, and as the air filter plugs up, it gets even worse.
thats as simple as it needs to be , a little carborator tweak once in a while and your off and running for another month.

I can understand not wanting to run an expensive 2-stroke oil...But at the least use whatever 2-stroke stuff you can get at Wallmart for $1.99 a qt.

2-strokes are very tempermental. I wonder how much carbon 10w-30 leaves?

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#482019 - 10/27/04 08:01 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
msparks Offline


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Loc: Clarksville, Tennessee
quote:
Originally posted by Gebo:
My Dad doesn't believe in "synthetics" and uses various 2 cycle oils. Generally, whatever the salesman tells him. Every year he has to take his weedeater, leafblower in for repairs. He just told me the other day he was gonna buy another ">>>>>" because the last 3 had lasted 2 years.

I've been using Amsoil 100:1 since I got married in 1983 and have NEVER had to take any 2 cycle piece of my equipment in for any kind of repair. 2 weedeaters and 2 leaf blowers. Maybe I'm just lucky??? No, I like to think of it as "wisdom." [Big Grin]

That is too funny. I have the same problem. My 2cycle engines never have any problems. None of my family will run Amsoil.

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#482020 - 10/27/04 05:43 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
FowVay Offline


Registered: 06/02/02
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Loc: Southeastern USA
That's funny Msparks, when I sold Amsoil I couldn't get anyone in my family to use it either. It's pretty bad when your own mother won't buy motor oil from you [Big Grin]

At least she used to buy those stupid boxes of caramel corn when I was a boy scout.

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#482021 - 10/29/04 08:00 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
opus Offline


Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 73
Loc: Montana
If its that bad, I wonder why Husquevarna lengthened a friends warranty to double what the factory offered, because he was using opti-2?
This is the only forum I have read negative about it.

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#482022 - 10/29/04 08:55 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Blue99 Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 2233
Loc: Wisconsin
Any extended engine warranties are add-on's serviced thru Interlube International (Opti).

Many dealers will sell a new lawnmower with 4-6 qts of Opti oil which includes the extended warranty. This is the same class of extended waranty offered thru Sears for a washer & dryer.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Opti-2 or 4. Many users give glowing accounts of the performance, yet can't explain the principal behind it.

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#482023 - 11/09/04 05:57 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
unkotare Offline


Registered: 10/13/04
Posts: 1
Loc: Seattle WA
Hello all,

Was just surfing through and this thread caught my eye, so much so I felt compelled to join so I could throw my $1.14 in (.02 adj for post dot bomb Bushanomics). My opinions are based on 6 years of employment as a repair monkey (we werent techs back then early-mid 80s) at a large pro equipment shop and the various OEM sponsored workshops and training classes that job allowed me.

There are 4 major concerns that OPE manufacturers have with the oils used in their equipment.
The dispersant package, the lubricity, the combustability and volatility. These last two are a very delicate balance of properties that need to be addressed. The way you stay clear of issues is to ALWAYS stick with an OPE mfr. oil preferably the one that made your equipment if not stick with one that makes pro level equipment ie Echo, Stihl Redmax etc. And heres why:

The fundamental reason is who will replace the equipment if the powerhead fails especially in the 1-2 year professional use warranty period? I'm not saying that the mfr won't replace it if you use a another branded oil but they are the ones with everything to lose if equipment fails prematurely - $$$$, reputation and brand loyalty. And thats a whole lotta open ended hours to cover- they have a vested intrest in seeing that formulations and variances between lots are to spec.
Next up is the fact they have a first hand knowledge of the vital areas the oil needs to address and the use and duty cycle the engine will be experiencing.

Many of you have suggested full on synthetics and even motorcycle oils as being ideal. The issues that I have witnessed from their use is the compromises and balances of those oils and other non mfr oils are skewed to different priorities than what an OPE engine requires. The fact is an OPE engine will see a duty cycle of 90-90-10 meaning 90 percent operation at 90 percent of output and 10 percent at idle or transition. I don't see any dirtbike rider being able to run his possibly liquid cooled large displacement engine anywhere near that duty cycle. Full synthetics have issues surrounding their usually desireable lack of volatility and the buildup of unburned unflashed residues that remain - If you ever wondered why they suggest ratios in the parts per million range thats why. Many of the dirt bike and related full synthetics are spec'd for liquid or air cooled and oil injection as well which even if they list ok for premix presents another setof unnecessary compromises.

What kills an OPE engine early is almost always oil related either too much not enough or the wrong off spec oil. It has to mix easily with the fuel it has to burn completely or flash off under the heat of normal operation and it has to lubricate. The oils that fail to combust or flash off cause ring jacking slight ammounts of unburned oil will seep under rings if they flash off its ok if not they form hard carbon deposits which attract more oil which leads to Screech Ping!

Ok one last thing there is a product that is not OPE made that I do absolutely believe in using its called Ringfree made by Yamaha and Chevron its related to the techron additive from what it says on the label but it must be at a very very high concentration it lists a shock treat and a constant treat level. Constant treat mixed in with your premix will provide many additional hours of operation by virtue of negligable buildup of anything inside the intake exhaust or combustion chamber you can literally wipe a sparkplug off with a paper napkin after 50 hours and its shiny new no carbon at all. Only available from Yamaha outboard motor dealers. If you use commercial equipment hard this stuff is for you.

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#482024 - 11/09/04 07:37 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
blano Offline


Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 687
Loc: Canada
No part of what you just typed is even remotley related to fact.

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#482025 - 11/09/04 07:53 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Jelly Offline


Registered: 08/10/03
Posts: 2569
Loc: College Dorm...
Unkotare,

I just don't agree with you...simple as that.

The bottom line for me is this: Get whatever you want as long as it meets ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC.

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#482026 - 11/10/04 08:59 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc)
Jon Offline


Registered: 10/21/03
Posts: 369
Loc: Madison, Wisconsin
Go to the lawnsite and look around. The Mobil-1 and Amsoil synthetic 2-stroke oils absolutely rock.

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#1497675 - 06/13/09 03:40 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: blano]
cordeen Offline


Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 77
Loc: Florida
[quote=blano]Why in the world would some one want to run as little oils as possible in a two cycle? [/quote

I still use the Amsoil Saber Professional at a 50:1 mix. Weed Eater and Blower love the rich mix.

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#1497723 - 06/13/09 05:16 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: cordeen]
greenaccord02 Offline


Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 5215
Loc: Houston, Tx, USA
I find whatever synthetic 2 cycle is on sale and buy that. Right now I have 8 quarts of Poulan synthetic and 4 quarts of Mobil 2T also have a quart of Valvoline multipurpose that I run in tanks of regular gas.
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#1497724 - 06/13/09 05:19 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: greenaccord02]
Johnny Offline


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I wish they still made Mobil Racing 2T. One of the best 2-cycle oils that I've ever used.

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#1497762 - 06/13/09 05:56 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Johnny]
greenaccord02 Offline


Registered: 04/22/07
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Yeah, I still haven't cracked mine open yet. I have yet to find a worthy machine. I'm hoping to find an old Lawn Boy somewhere that I can fix up or something like that.
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#1499214 - 06/15/09 05:43 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: cordeen]
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Posts: 1821
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How on earth did you dig up this old thread ?
It's 4.5 years old
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#1499334 - 06/15/09 08:13 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: tdi-rick]
Cmarti Offline


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 438
Loc: Ohio
 Originally Posted By: tdi-rick
How on earth did you dig up this old thread ?
It's 4.5 years old


But the argument never dies!

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#1499351 - 06/15/09 08:32 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Cmarti]
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
When I could no longer get the Mobil 1 Racing 2T I started using the Stihl synthetic in everything I have. greenaccord02, I have three vintage Lawn Boys (two from the 60's) that I use every year.

If I could locate some of the Mobil 1 product I would buy it.

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#1499365 - 06/15/09 08:52 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Johnny]
greenaccord02 Offline


Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 5215
Loc: Houston, Tx, USA
I'm still looking for the big bottles of the Stihl synth. As soon as I see them I'll get them. 2T is rare anymore. Try an out of the way, older O'Reilly's. That's where mine is from. I'd love to have a 60's Lawn Boy in any condition. I go around many Saturday mornings hoping to find one at a garage sale.
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#1500419 - 06/16/09 07:34 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: greenaccord02]
occity79 Offline


Registered: 12/13/06
Posts: 83
Loc: maryland
Hello ,

My first post, I could not resist the 2 stroke oil topic any longer.

I use Bel Ray H1R ester synthetic in all my air cooled 2 strokes, and it leaves no residues and no piston ring sticking at all.

Motul 800 off road is very similar (ester)and also gives fantastic power and clean pistons.

Both are SAE 40 weight so not the best for injector type 2 strokes. My local motorcycle shops carry these, so they are easy to get , no need to order and pay shipping fees etc...

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#1500458 - 06/16/09 08:30 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: occity79]
Cmarti Offline


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 438
Loc: Ohio
I uset the Stihl Ultra Synthetic in all my stuff as well. I don't know if it is worth a $#@!, but I am addicted to the smell!

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#1500460 - 06/16/09 08:33 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: greenaccord02]
Cmarti Offline


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 438
Loc: Ohio
 Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
I'm still looking for the big bottles of the Stihl synth. As soon as I see them I'll get them. 2T is rare anymore. Try an out of the way, older O'Reilly's. That's where mine is from. I'd love to have a 60's Lawn Boy in any condition. I go around many Saturday mornings hoping to find one at a garage sale.


Stihl dealer, and many of those do not carry it due to price. Go to this site and see if they can help you with the Lawnboy.
http://www.mytractorforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=155

Good Luck

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#1501127 - 06/16/09 08:08 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Cmarti]
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I love recycling ... especially old, informative threads.

Oh, and I miss the abrasive musings of BITOG's 2-cycle guru blano. \:\(
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#1501147 - 06/16/09 08:18 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Bror Jace]
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
Where is old blano? I miss his post, especially the ones about 2-cycle oils.

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#1503703 - 06/18/09 11:49 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Johnny]
beanoil Offline


Registered: 10/17/04
Posts: 1966
Loc: Midwest, Illinois
 Originally Posted By: Johnny
I wish they still made Mobil Racing 2T. One of the best 2-cycle oils that I've ever used.

I've got some left Johnny, need some? Not much, maybe 50-60 pints, a few quarts... :-)
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#1503812 - 06/19/09 05:05 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: beanoil]
tdi-rick Offline


Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 1821
Loc: the antipodes
 Originally Posted By: beanoil
 Originally Posted By: Johnny
I wish they still made Mobil Racing 2T. One of the best 2-cycle oils that I've ever used.

I've got some left Johnny, need some? Not much, maybe 50-60 pints, a few quarts... :-)




We could always try re-importing some back from here too, but I don't think you fella's would like the exchange + tax + freight deal.
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#1558461 - 08/08/09 12:54 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Pablo]
cordeen Offline


Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 77
Loc: Florida
 Originally Posted By: Pablo
I run my chain saw and Stihl weeder on Amsoil 100:1. Both work great on this oil. Better is Amsoil Series 2000 2-stroke oil, but I will slowly use up the 100:1 first.

Many people get paranoid about 100:1 (myself included), but I got over it, because the oil itself is not as dilute as most 2-stroke oils and following the oil recommendation not the tool is best. Even Carl at Carl's Mower and Saw says this.

Dick from Falls Church said the 100:1 was tested to 300:1...I dunno about that, but 100:1 is fine for me.


I use Amsoil Professional in all my power tools but at the full strength recommended formula. I have never found a better product than Amsoil and have suffered thru the use of many other brands.

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#1574148 - 08/21/09 03:28 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: beanoil]
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Registered: 12/19/06
Posts: 171
Loc: Las Vegas
Originally Posted By: beanoil
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I wish they still made Mobil Racing 2T. One of the best 2-cycle oils that I've ever used.

I've got some left Johnny, need some? Not much, maybe 50-60 pints, a few quarts... :-)


Me too, I have 20+ quarts. Not for sale grin
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#1576850 - 08/24/09 04:22 AM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: jimvegas]
happyguy007 Offline


Registered: 08/21/09
Posts: 9
Loc: Malaysia
Hey guys, I sincerely need your opinion. FYI, I am from Malaysia and i just manage to get Shell Semi synthetic for my yamaha 650 two stroke generator. I uses the generator once every two months for camping.

Would the Shell Advance Semi Synthetic good enough to protect my engine whilst clear off carbon deposit?

Thanks

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#1579360 - 08/26/09 05:02 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: happyguy007]
tdi-rick Offline


Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 1821
Loc: the antipodes
If it's the same as the Advance VSX2 we get here in Australia I'm sure it will be fine in a genny, it's JASO FC licensed. Ours is probably blended in Singapore anyway, a number of Castrols Edge oils on our shelves here are blended in Malaysia.
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#1982229 - 08/10/10 09:03 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: Cmarti]
MrMeeks Offline


Registered: 05/16/10
Posts: 338
Loc: Maryland,
Now I'm running Pennzoil multipurpose in a trimmer and saw. The engines start easily and have good power at 50:1.The trimmer fires up easier with the pennz. than it did with the more expensive Echo 2 stroke. Will continue to use the Pennz..

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#1982233 - 08/10/10 09:09 PM Re: What's best 2 cycle oil (chainsaws, trimmers, etc) [Re: MrMeeks]
MrMeeks Offline


Registered: 05/16/10
Posts: 338
Loc: Maryland,
wow,a yamaha 650 2 stroke generator.That's a machine i would love to own.

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