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#42162 - 09/02/03 09:18 AM What car & engine lasts the longest?
Speed racer Offline


Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 34
Loc: Springfield
Assuming regular oil changes and regular care; what car or truck lasts the longest for the average Joe, without major work? (We are debating this at work.)
Some say Toyota some say Mercedes Benz, others say full size chevy with the 350.- Subaru will give you a new car if you bring your old Subaru in with over 1,000,000 documented miles. Yes, there have been some.
What about that Volvo p1800 with a gob of miles?

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#42163 - 09/02/03 09:51 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
AudiJunkie Offline


Registered: 08/27/03
Posts: 25
Loc: PA
Oh, I think every car is exactly the same. [I dont know] Are you going to buy based on engine longevity? In most cars the body and accesories will die before the engine. Just pick what you like and maintain it well. BTW- I hear Chrysler might be installing Mercedes' engines so they can sell some cars. All are about the same though, I guess. [I dont know] [Patriot]

[ September 02, 2003, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: AudiJunkie ]

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#42164 - 09/02/03 09:56 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
cousincletus Offline


Registered: 09/25/02
Posts: 2513
Loc: Richmond, VA
Jeep Cherokee with the 4.0 I-6. Have seen some with well over 200,000 and still run like new.
Have also seen Dodge Dakota p/u with 3.9 engine go a long time with moderate abuse. Anything else that lasts longer seems to cost lots more than these vehicles. [Cheers!]

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#42165 - 09/01/03 10:27 PM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
mormit Offline


Registered: 07/17/02
Posts: 942
Loc: st. Louis
As far as the record for highest mileage on a car, that would be Irv Gorden on his Volvo P1800. He hit two million miles back in March. Volvo gave him his second free car at that time...I don't know why they don't use him in commercials. The guy's a driving nut. Used to have a >100mi round trip commute to work. Drives from NY to Cleveland for lunch. [freaknout] Retired so I guess he's got the time. Look up Irv Gorden or Irv-o-meter and you should find him and pics of his car.

Otherwise, AJ's right. Any engine & tranny maintained well should hold up until you get bored with the old car. This goes for most makes.

[Off Topic!] Some commercial trucks make it well over 2,000,000. Many of those are Volvos and Mercedes(Freightliner). [Big Grin]

[ September 02, 2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: mormit ]

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#42166 - 09/01/03 10:36 PM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
tundra30 Offline


Registered: 08/09/03
Posts: 74
Loc: east TX
I would say Toyota/Lexus in general.

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#42167 - 09/01/03 10:55 PM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
Al Offline


Registered: 06/08/02
Posts: 13581
Loc: Elizabethtown, Pa
We have been down this past recently. This might help. [Smile]

Engines

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#42168 - 09/02/03 12:26 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
supraturbo Offline


Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 42
Loc: New Hampshire
The old chrysler slant 6 and toyota 22r come to mind.

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#42169 - 09/02/03 12:40 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46680
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Volvo B21. Any variant combined with synthetic oil will last stinking forever...in a Volvo 240, which will last a long time too, if you keep the rust out of the inside [crushedcar]

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#42170 - 09/02/03 12:50 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
Rexman Offline


Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 254
Loc: Denver
quote:
Originally posted by Speed racer:
Subaru will give you a new car if you bring your old Subaru in with over 1,000,000 documented miles. Yes, there have been some.

Free new cars? Are you kidding me?! [Cool]

Have to call the Subie hotline and tell them I've got two on the way! (In about 25 years. [Wink] [Big Grin] )

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#42171 - 09/02/03 01:10 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
dagmando Offline


Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 233
Loc: Midwest
Non-Diesel - Honda or Toyota

Diesel - Mercedes-Benz

[ September 02, 2003, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: dagmando ]

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#42172 - 09/02/03 03:00 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
Flimflam Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 453
Loc: Galveston, TX
quote:
Originally posted by Speed racer:
Assuming regular oil changes and regular care; what car or truck lasts the longest for the average Joe, without major work? (We are debating this at work.)
Some say Toyota some say Mercedes Benz, others say full size chevy with the 350.- Subaru will give you a new car if you bring your old Subaru in with over 1,000,000 documented miles. Yes, there have been some.
What about that Volvo p1800 with a gob of miles?

(1) Toyota Celica 1972 model. Ran for 15 years without missing a tick, until my Dad gave it away to Cuz Jimmy. Never needed service apart from oil change whenever dad felt like it. Which was like 2X a year max. And yes, Dad liked to use "Black Death" 1972 year Castrol GTX. For all I know, Cuz is still thrashing the livin' daylights out of that old Toyota.

(2) Suzuki Sidekick 1990 model. Ran like dickens: 60,000 miles in 2.5 years. Stolen by NYC speeque gang at 2.5 years of age. Run on GTX 20w-50. Never missed a tick. I bel;ieve that one could have gone 10 years without a service.

(3) Ford Bronco full size 351 v-8. Year 1981. Bought 2nd hand in oh, about 1994, with 117,000 + miles on the clock. Engine never missed a tick till sold off in 1998. But: this is the Catch 22---- the confounded electricals made sure I never made it out of the driveway!!!!!!!

(4) Ford Thunderbird 1986 model. Again, we never had to take the valve cover off. It ran roughly, but the motor always ran whenever the electrical system felt like providing the spark. Sold off in Dec 99 or early 2000 with engine still running strong.

(5) Suzuki Sidekick Sport 1998 model. Bought 1/99. Now has 41,600 miles on it. Never been serviced apart from oil and filter. Castrol GTX, of course. [Wink] It looks like new and runs like Stink. Going in for its first transmission oil change this week: Redline GL-4 type, MT-90. Schaeffer GL-5 type 267 gear oil for rear pumpkin.

Conclusion: I think modern cars will last forever if the owner uses Castrol GTX dino oil and changes it regularly. [Big Grin] No, I am just kidding. Reasonable maintenance (like, not leaving the oil in for 1 year), reasonable quality dino oil but changed regularly. Do this, and you car will last forever. It may not start every time if you own a F**d, but it will last foerver.

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#42173 - 09/02/03 03:16 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
Forkman Offline


Registered: 08/27/03
Posts: 173
Loc: Iowa
The old gutless cutlasses of the mid 80s - the Cutlass Cieras with the 2.5L Tech4s.

I had an 87 with 70K mi on it for my first car back in 1995. Sold it to my cousin with 175K mi on the odo for his first car (that was after my dad used it for nearly 2 years as a work vehicle). Never used more than 1/4qt. between oil changes and 1/8 gallon of antifreeze every 4K mi. The car is still running strong with 300K mi on it, never having anything more serious to it done than a new alternator, new valve cover gasket, and new radiator tanks.

My fiancee had an 88 with 80K mi on it when she got it. Kept it for ~3 years and we sold it with 170K mi on it still running strong. Never consumed more than 1/3 qt between 4K mi changes and 1/8 gallon of antifreeze.

Parents friends bought an 88 from my grandparents that used quite a bit of oil with 75K mi. In two years they managed to put on 225K mi. The engine has finally given up the ghost, but that's pretty good on something that consumed about 1/4 qt. per week. They're keeping the car and getting a rebuilt engine for about $400 intsalled for it from a relative of theirs who is a mechanic since the body and interior are in excellent shape.

They certainly weren't pretty cars, nor were they fast (approx 100Hp/120 ft lbs torque in most years models) but they last and last.

[ September 02, 2003, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Forkman ]

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#42174 - 09/02/03 03:48 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
mikemc Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 1381
Loc: Southeast Kentucky
I am incredibly fond of the Ford 3.0 OHV (vulcan) V6 found mostly in the Ranger and Taurus. Its pretty low tech by todays standard, but very tough and reliable. I have put lots of miles on three of them in three seperate trucks with NO motor issues. Castrol GTX 5w30 was the oil I used most. The new 2.2 ecotec in my wife's '03 Cavalier seems very impressive so far. Very smooth and surprisingly powerful for a budget car.

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#42175 - 09/02/03 04:18 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
k1xv Offline


Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 1108
Loc: Southern Vermont
The Mercedes Benz long life reputation is based on its all cast iron diesels, such as the 1979-1985 5 cylinder 300SD. They could go 400K miles without overhaul if reasonably taken care of. I am not sure if the newer ones will be able to match that record.

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#42176 - 09/02/03 04:29 AM Re: What car & engine lasts the longest?
Ryan Offline


Registered: 12/04/02
Posts: 327
Loc: Stallings, NC
I think Patman's car will last for 50 years. [Wink]

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