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#2631313 - 05/20/12 02:10 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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Registered: 10/11/02
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Trying to "balance the budget" will result in Europe. And Europe is in collapse.

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#2631319 - 05/20/12 02:32 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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China did it quickly with the one child policy (and it's got other ramifications for world security with a generation of males who statistically will never marry), but we did it letting baby boomers run the show.

Balancing anything is just a play on words. Oz just balanced next year's budget by going deeper into debt this year, bringing forward 3 months of next Financial Year's expenditure.

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#2631334 - 05/20/12 03:17 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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How this debt bubble plays out is going to be a fascinating, yet painful experience I'm afraid. I think, depending on where we are on Friday evening next week, that it has finally popped and the natural course will work itself out. Always has, always will.

Don't fall for any messiah's in the coming years folks.

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#2631338 - 05/20/12 03:49 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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So thats why indices wait to add ipo's
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#2631834 - 05/20/12 08:14 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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There's an elephant in the room...........or more specifically, a bear, that no one is talking about. Are you guys the least bit worried about a market crash this week? In the short term, even though the market is somewhat oversold, the entire technical pattern is set up for a crash. I wouldn't be as concerned if it wasn't for Facebook's potential to break the tipping point. Those guys couldn't have picked a better moment to shove that sucker down the toilet.

I've charted out just about every tradeable security possible and the precipice is here.

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#2632011 - 05/21/12 04:42 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Drew99GT]
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
There's an elephant in the room...........or more specifically, a bear, that no one is talking about. Are you guys the least bit worried about a market crash this week? In the short term, even though the market is somewhat oversold, the entire technical pattern is set up for a crash. I wouldn't be as concerned if it wasn't for Facebook's potential to break the tipping point. Those guys couldn't have picked a better moment to shove that sucker down the toilet.

I've charted out just about every tradeable security possible and the precipice is here.


Yea, it's possible...

If so, I'm poised to buy lots more, kinda like a kid in a candy store.
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#2632674 - 05/21/12 08:24 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Drew99GT]
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I've charted out just about every tradeable security possible and the precipice is here.

My largest position is SPXU. If you're a chartist, take a look at the five year S&P 500. It is begging for a retest of 666.
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#2632731 - 05/21/12 09:02 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
Pablo Offline


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After the dive, I'm moving into natural resources again.

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#2633673 - 05/22/12 08:16 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Drew99GT]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29810
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
How this debt bubble plays out is going to be a fascinating, yet painful experience I'm afraid. I think, depending on where we are on Friday evening next week, that it has finally popped and the natural course will work itself out. Always has, always will.

Don't fall for any messiah's in the coming years folks.


I agree. Most people don't realize though that gov. spending yoy is down.




From the Daily Treasury Statement. Total Withdrawals (this includes everything: SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense, Interest on the debt..now down $433 bln versus the same time last year. That's about 3-percent of GDP. In other words a SUBTRACTION of 3-percent from GDP. A lot of other things must be good to offset this. Personal Consumption, Business Investment and Net Exports all need to post strong gains to keep GDP positive.
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#2635071 - 05/24/12 01:53 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
Drew99GT Offline


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http://www.cnbc.com/id/47554313

If the dollar and the treasury market were such a problem, at least in the near short to medium term, Bill gross wouldn't be out saying this! He's continually called for an end to the treasury market bull run but it just isn't materializing. YET. LOL

What happens when it does, because that will mean the world's last safe haven for wealth will be gone. Gold then shoots to the moon? This market is all kinds of messed up.

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#2635073 - 05/24/12 01:56 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
Drew99GT Offline


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The comments on CNBC articles never fail to deliver. crackmeup

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#2635225 - 05/24/12 05:01 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29810
Loc: NJ
LOL. YET.

http://moslereconomics.com/2012/05/23/macro-update-2/

Mosler destroys most mainstream academic economists. I need to start focusing and learning more on the micro/investing world.

I like macro econ and our current situation makes it really interesting.
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#2635233 - 05/24/12 05:12 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
buster Offline


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Basically a lot of what we have all been taught in school regarding our monetary system is false. 30+ years of misunderstanding a fundamental aspect of our economy, which directly and indirectly helped shape policy. Which is why we now find ourselves in this position, along with other things too of course. IMO.
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#2637344 - 05/27/12 09:16 AM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: buster]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: buster

I agree. Most people don't realize though that gov. spending yoy is down.

From the Daily Treasury Statement. Total Withdrawals (this includes everything: SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense, Interest on the debt..now down $433 bln versus the same time last year. That's about 3-percent of GDP.


Buster that is a crock-o-crud. Find the May 27 Fact Check from AP. Cooked book accounting at best. Find the article, because I won't post the AP link here for political reasons.

Here's a summary quote at the end of the article:

Quote:
So how does XXXXX measure up?

--A 9.7 percent increase in 2009, much of which is attributable to XXXXX.

--A 7.8 percent increase in 2010, followed by slower spending growth over 2011-13. Much of the slower growth reflects the influence of XXXXXXXcans retaking control of the House and their budget and debt deal last summer with XXXXX. All told, government spending now appears to be growing at an annual rate of roughly 3 percent over the 2010-2013 period, rather than the 0.4 percent claimed by XXXXX and the MarketWatch analysis.


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#2637434 - 05/27/12 12:24 PM Re: Investors....come in please! [Re: Last_Z]
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