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#3396 - 07/24/02 11:17 PM Valvoline SynPower?
GearHeadRD Offline


Registered: 07/23/02
Posts: 3
Loc: Canada
Hi guys, I just finished rebuilding my Honda motor and I'm the process of finding a good synthetic motor oil once I break the motor in. Basically, my motor is a high RPM screamer, so I'm looking for a synthetic oil that will do well at high RPM's (9000+RPM) with a lot of spirited driving.
After doing some reading and researching on this board, it seems to me that none of the on-shelf synethic motor oils are any good. I'm located in Canada, so I can't get my hands on oils like Shaefer. which you guys highly recommend.
I know you guys also recommend Valvoline MaxLife, but since my motor is basically brand new, I don't know if that is a good idea, fearing that the oil will toast my new valve seals, o-rings and gaskets.
I remembered someone in here recommending Valvoline SynPower. Are they any good at all, comparing to all the other on-shelf synthetic oils? Oils like Redline or Amsoil cost way too much for me, so there's no way I can afford those. So I'm looking for the best on-shelf synthetic oil at a price of the normal retail price for my high RPM screamer. Also, what range (5W-30, 10W-30, 10W40, 5W-50, etc.) will be good for my motor? Thanks in advnace!

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#3397 - 07/24/02 11:52 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Brad Offline


Registered: 07/13/02
Posts: 116
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
quote:
it seems to me that none of the on-shelf synethic motor oils are any good.
Not true. There are good OTC oils available, you just need to be aware of what you are buying. The only true "synthetic" currently available OTC is Mobil 1. It's till a Group IV PAO base. All others "synthetics" available OTC (Penzoil, Valvoline) use a Group III base are not 100% synthetic per se. Does not mean they are bad oils, just not a true synthetic.

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#3398 - 07/24/02 11:57 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14384
Loc: Midwest

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#3399 - 07/25/02 12:38 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19275
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
Didn't someone mention the other day that Havoline and Chevron Synthetic is still a PAO/ester base and not a group 3? If so, we can get Havoline Synthetic oil up here in Toronto, it's sold at Walmart.

As far as Schaeffers goes, I just ordered a case of Schaeffers from Burkely in Saskatchewan. It cost just over $60 CDN for a case of 12, plus $30 shipping. I think it's well worth it.

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#3400 - 07/25/02 12:56 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
VaderSS Offline


Registered: 06/10/02
Posts: 2077
Loc: Cordelia, CA
I may not be reading Chevron right, but I don't think either are PAO.

And is Havoline Synth a blend ?!?!

----------------------------------
Chevron Supreme Synthetic
COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

SYNTHETIC HYDROCARBON BASE OIL
Chemical Name: 1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER, HYDROGENATED
CAS68037014 > 55.00% NONE NA

OR

ISOSYN BASE OILS
5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

DECANOIC ACID, ESTER
Chemical Name: DECANOIC ACID, ESTER WITH 2ETHYL2(HYDROXYMETHYL)1,3 PROPANE
CAS11138606 < 15.00% NONE NA

ADDITIVES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING
< 30.00%

ZINC ALKYL DITHIOPHOSPHATE
Chemical Name: PHOSPHORODITHIOIC ACID,O,O-DI-C1-14-ALKYL ESTERS, ZINC SALT
CAS68649423 < 2.00% NONE NA

COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
______________________________________________________________________

100.0 % TEXACO Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil

CONTAINING

COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

HYDROTREATED DIST., HVY PARA
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742547 > 80.00% 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

AND

SOLVENT DEWAXED DIST., HVY PAR
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, SOLVENT DEWAXED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742650 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

ADDITIVES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING
< 20.00%

ZINC ALKYL DITHIOPHOSPHATE
Chemical Name: PHOSPHORODITHIOIC ACID,O,O-DI-C1-14-ALKYL ESTERS, ZINC SALT
CAS68649423 < 5.00% NONE NA

COMPOSITION COMMENT:
All the components of this material are on the Toxic Substances Control
Act Chemical Substances Inventory.

This product fits the ACGIH definition for mineral oil mist. The ACGIH
TLV is 5 mg/m3, the OSHA PEL is 5 mg/m3.

---------------------------------------------

100.0 % CHEVRON Supreme Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

CONTAINING

COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

HYDROTREATED DIST., HVY PARA
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742547 > 80.00% 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

AND

SOLVENT DEWAXED DIST., HVY PAR
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, SOLVENT DEWAXED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742650 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

ADDITIVES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING
< 20.00%

ZINC ALKYL DITHIOPHOSPHATE
Chemical Name: PHOSPHORODITHIOIC ACID,O,O-DI-C1-14-ALKYL ESTERS, ZINC SALT
CAS68649423 < 5.00% NONE NA

COMPOSITION COMMENT:
All the components of this material are on the Toxic Substances Control
Act Chemical Substances Inventory.

This product fits the ACGIH definition for mineral oil mist. The ACGIH
TLV is 5 mg/m3, the OSHA PEL is 5 mg/m3.
-------------------------------------
Chevron Supreme Motor Oil
COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
______________________________________________________________________

100.0 % CHEVRON Supreme Motor Oil

CONTAINING

COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

LUBRICATING BASE OIL
SEVERELY REFINED PETROLEUM DISTILLATE
> 75.00% 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

The BASE OIL may be a mixture of any of the following: CAS 64741884,
CAS 64741895, CAS 64741964, CAS 64741975, CAS 64742014, CAS 64742525,
CAS 64742536, CAS 64742547, CAS 64742627, CAS 64742650, or CAS 72623837.

ADDITIVES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING
< 25.00%

ZINC ALKYL DITHIOPHOSPHATE
Chemical Name: PHOSPHORODITHIOIC ACID,O,O-DI-C1-14-ALKYL ESTERS, ZINC SALT
CAS68649423 < 1.50% NONE NA

COMPOSITION COMMENT:
All the components of this material are on the Toxic Substances Control
Act Chemical Substances Inventory.

This product fits the ACGIH definition for mineral oil mist. The ACGIH
TLV is 5 mg/m3, the OSHA PEL is 5 mg/m3.

[ July 25, 2002, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: VaderSS ]

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#3401 - 07/25/02 01:10 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Dominic Offline


Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 1777
Loc: Alabama
I believe the Valvoline SynPower is one of the best synthetic (ahem*) motor oils one can buy OTC. Simply speaking from experience I have not had a problem running any of Valvoline's products, and they seem to keep engine internals very clean - no varnishing. For that matter I've had nothing but great experiences running the DuraBlend they make - but I've never ran any oil tests on the stuff just yet (didn't know they existed back then). Also, until I see some proof from further oil analysis that its good, I am staying away from the new SuperSyn Mobil-1.

This is a purely subjective statement I know, but if I were to choose from all the OTC oils right now sitting on a shelf at Wal-Mart -- my confidence would go with Valvoline.

The only other 2 oils I for sure know are just as good and could possibly be better are not OTC, and those are Schaeffer's and Redline, with Schaeffer's being a far cry better bang for the buck.

If you decide to choose Valvoline - and you're worried its not doing what it should - there is no reason not to have it analysed. Its the only surefire way of knowing whether what you chose is doing what it should for your engine. Goodluck and let us know what you decide on [Smile]

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#3402 - 07/25/02 07:29 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
tweeker43 Offline


Registered: 06/01/02
Posts: 1253
Loc: michigan
this is part of a post i made in an earlier thread.

i broke in my new car on durablend, but switched to mobil1 as i've run it for years in other cars. i will probably revert to pennzoil (after johnny gave me some info).

previous post=>

durablend:

Ingredient(s) CAS Number % (by weight)
-------------------------------------------- ------------- -------------
HEAVY PARAFFINIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES 64742-54-7 54.0- 64.0
SOLVENT-DEWAXED HEAVY PARAFFINIC PETROLEUM D 64742-65-0 10.0- 20.0
ZINC COMPOUNDS 68649-42-3 1.0- 1.0

synpower:

Ingredient(s) CAS Number % (by weight)
-------------------------------------------- ------------- -------------
PETROLEUM HYDROCARBON 64742-54-7 52.0- 62.0
ZINC COMPOUNDS 0.7- 1.4

the base oil is essentially the same, at half price. you might get more or less zinc with the "synth."

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#3403 - 07/26/02 09:35 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Bror Jace Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 4857
Loc: Saratoga, NY
I used this stuff for about a year and overall, I was disappointed in it. First of all, Valvoline will tell you that it's PAO ... which is a lie. It's Group III. I heard this numerous times from others and spoke to one of their chemists myself once. Add to that the fact that Valvoline says their Max-Life is a Group III oil when it is actually a Group II. I no longer think highly of them, their word or their reputation. [Roll Eyes]

Next, when in my crankcase, Synpower oil is the ONLY oil that showed any consumption. I don't know what the problem was but the car soon began consuming about 1/3 to 1/2 of a quart in 4,000 miles. [I dont know] I used Mobil 1 prior to that and it did not consume any oil between 6,000 mile drain intervals.

It took 6 months with Red Line to get my Honda's consumption back to zero after I switched away from Valvoline Synpower. [Smile]

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#3404 - 07/25/02 11:20 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14384
Loc: Midwest
Chevron Supreme Synthetic
COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

SYNTHETIC HYDROCARBON BASE OIL
Chemical Name: 1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER, HYDROGENATED
CAS68037014 > 55.00% NONE NA
######### A 1-decence PAO - Good Choice among PAO's#####################

ISOSYN BASE OILS
5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL
############ Definately Chevron's Group III###########

DECANOIC ACID, ESTER
Chemical Name: DECANOIC ACID, ESTER WITH 2ETHYL2(HYDROXYMETHYL)1,3 PROPANE
###############An Excellent Ester##############
CAS11138606 < 15.00% NONE NA

ADDITIVES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING
< 30.00%
***********This oil is PAO/Ester/Group III BLEND base Oil.*******************

______________________________________________________________________

100.0 % TEXACO Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil

CONTAINING

COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

HYDROTREATED DIST., HVY PARA
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742547 > 80.00% 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

AND

SOLVENT DEWAXED DIST., HVY PAR
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, SOLVENT DEWAXED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742650 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

*************This is a blend of Group II+ and Group III Base OIL****Definately not Synthetic**********************

---------------------------------------------

100.0 % CHEVRON Supreme Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

CONTAINING

COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

HYDROTREATED DIST., HVY PARA
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742547 > 80.00% 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

AND

SOLVENT DEWAXED DIST., HVY PAR
Chemical Name: DISTILLATES, SOLVENT DEWAXED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS64742650 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

ADDITIVES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING
< 20.00%

*****An equal mix of Group II+ and Group III BAse OIls********* Not a synthetic
______________________________________________________________________

100.0 % CHEVRON Supreme Motor Oil

CONTAINING

COMPONENTS AMOUNT LIMIT/QTY AGENCY/TYPE

LUBRICATING BASE OIL
SEVERELY REFINED PETROLEUM DISTILLATE
> 75.00% 5 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH TWA
10 mg/m3 (mist) ACGIH STEL
5 mg/m3 (mist) OSHA PEL

The BASE OIL may be a mixture of any of the following: CAS 64741884,
CAS 64741895, CAS 64741964, CAS 64741975, CAS 64742014, CAS 64742525,
CAS 64742536, CAS 64742547, CAS 64742627, CAS 64742650, or CAS 72623837.

*****************A group II to Group II+ base oils*****Not Synthetic***********************

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Chevron Supreme Synthetic (A BLEND) is most likely the best of the bunch.

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#3405 - 07/26/02 10:45 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Chris J. Offline


Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 39
Loc: Atlanta
this is sad to say this about myself but....if y'all want me to, I can post the specs of almost every synthetic and group II oil (the major ones that is) that I have compiled. I've got a ton of them if y'all are interested to do a comparison of them.

Oh, and I've also got the MSDS for Texaco's synthetic oils that are made by Equilon, LLC. Equilon were(for those that dont know), owned by Texaco & Shell oil co.'s and is now fully owned by Shell oil.

My point is this. This CAS#'s listed for Texaco's syn. oils are not the same as the one(s) made by Equilon. For instance, here is Equilon's Texaco branded 5w-40 syn. oil. (Oh, and whats funnier is that its not even listed on the Chevron-Texaco site that they even carry it!: [Roll Eyes] Anyways, heres the info:

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
MSDS Number: 02102ET - 0

24 Hour Emergency Assistance: CHEMTEL (877) 276-7283
General Assistance Number: (877) 276-7285


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SECTION 1 PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MATERIAL IDENTITY: HAVOLINE« Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-30

PRODUCT CODES: 02102
COMPANY ADDRESS: Equilon Enterprises, LLC, P. O. Box 4453, Houston, TX.
77210-4453

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SECTION 2 PRODUCT/INGREDIENTS

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CAS# CONCENTRATION INGREDIENTS
Mixture 100 %weight Synthetic Motor Oil
68037-01-4 70 - 79.99 %weight Synthetic aliphatic hydrocarbon
Proprietary 5 - 9.99 %weight Alkyl carboxylic acid ester
64742-65-0 1 - 4.99 %weight Hydrotreated dewaxed heavy paraffinic
distillate
64742-54-7 3 - 8.99 %weight Hydrotreated heavy paraffinic
distillate
84605-20-9 1 - 4.99 %weight Polyethylene amine
Flash Point [Method]: 450 ║F -470 ║F/232.22 ║C -243.33 ║C [ Cleveland Open
Cup]
------------------------------------------------------

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
MSDS Number: 02100ET - 1

24 Hour Emergency Assistance: CHEMTEL (877) 276-7283
General Assistance Number: (877) 276-7285


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SECTION 1 PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MATERIAL IDENTITY: Havoline« Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40

PRODUCT CODES: 02100
COMPANY ADDRESS: Equilon Enterprises, LLC, P. O. Box 4453, Houston, TX.
77210-4453

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SECTION 2 PRODUCT/INGREDIENTS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CAS# CONCENTRATION INGREDIENTS
Mixture 100 %weight Synthetic Motor Oil
68037-01-4 60 - 74.99 %weight Synthetic aliphatic hydrocarbon
Proprietary 5 - 9.99 %weight Alkyl carboxylic acid ester
64742-65-0 3 - 8.99 %weight Hydrotreated dewaxed heavy paraffinic
distillate
64742-54-7 3 - 8.99 %weight Hydrotreated heavy paraffinic
distillate
84605-20-9 1 - 2.99 %weight Polyethylene amine
Flash Point [Method]: 430 ║F -450 ║F/221.11 ║C -232.22 ║C [ Cleveland Open
Cup]

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#3406 - 07/27/02 12:40 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Chris J. Offline


Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 39
Loc: Atlanta
my advice is to either use BMW's Synthetic oil (5w-30) as its made by Castrol, but uses a composition completely different than that of Syntec. Our Syntec does not meet the ACEA A3 standard (do a search about it), whereas the BMW syn. oil does. This translates to great protection from your engine that you will NOT get, IMHO, from any OTC oils in the same viscosity. To get close, I'd try the new Mobil 1 0w-40.

Next, Im going to try AGIP syn. 5w-40 for summer and 5w-30 for winter. Great syn. oil thats, from what Im told by an AGIP contact, a full PAO syn. Also of interest is that, the VI's are low (relatively, that is) and AGIP say's its because they use almost no VI improvers in their syn. oil and their group II+ oils as well.

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#3407 - 07/27/02 01:50 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14384
Loc: Midwest
Chris,

I am not sure what you're saying, but both of these oils you listed By Havoline and Texaco are
full synth's. Typical PAO/Esters with a little bit of Group II's.

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#3408 - 07/27/02 02:44 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
widman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 3045
Loc: Bolivia
Information on the ChevronTexaco site is in a state of change. This week dozens of sheets were changed. Some products are in msds but not specs, some the other way. My guess is that it will take them months to sort it all out and post it in all the places.

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#3409 - 07/28/02 11:38 PM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
Dr. T Offline


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2480
Yeah, doesn't that show that Hav. synth. is a true PAO synthetic???

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#3410 - 07/29/02 01:57 AM Re: Valvoline SynPower?
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14384
Loc: Midwest
Sure does. The 5W30's listed in Chris J's 7/27 post are full PAO/ester synths.

Both are full synth 75% PAO's and 10% esters. The additive packages differ slightly bewteen the Texaco and the Havoline.

I guess what Chris is saying is that the Chemical Standard's numbers aren't quite the same
wrt to the Equilon and the Texaco/Havoline's. That is not uncommon. The CAS numbers may differ because of different suppliers and processes; nothing with which to really be concerned.

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