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#3168537 - 10/26/13 04:35 PM Liqui Moly?
kjbock Offline


Registered: 09/23/13
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Loc: NC

I have researched for some time, but found very little info. I am looking for feedback for Liqui Moly 5W40. I have the chance to get 5L bottles at my local NAPA for $26 (their Leichtlauf High Tech oil), which is LL-01 for my BMW, or I could just go to Wally World for Mobil 1 0W40 for $25 for 5 quarts. I plan on changing oil around every 7,500 miles, so does it even make a difference on either oil? Or just go for the lowest price?

I do mostly suburban driving and make short trips around 5-10 miles, plus DD to work about 8 miles each way.

Thanks in advance for any input.
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#3168566 - 10/26/13 05:00 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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How much oil does your car hold? I say just buy what most closely matches your oil sump, so you have fewer partially full oil containers in your garage.
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#3168573 - 10/26/13 05:10 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: kjbock

I have researched for some time, but found very little info. I am looking for feedback for Liqui Moly 5W40. I have the chance to get 5L bottles at my local NAPA for $26 (their Leichtlauf High Tech oil), which is LL-01 for my BMW, or I could just go to Wally World for Mobil 1 0W40 for $25 for 5 quarts. I plan on changing oil around every 7,500 miles, so does it even make a difference on either oil? Or just go for the lowest price?

I do mostly suburban driving and make short trips around 5-10 miles, plus DD to work about 8 miles each way.

Thanks in advance for any input.

What kind of BMW?
My personal preference is Castrol 0W30. I switched to M1 now bcs now I live at 6,035ft, so flash point is lower.
But in your case, if it is LL-01, I would go with GC. I would pay $20 more for GC.
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#3168574 - 10/26/13 05:10 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
kjbock Offline


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Loc: NC
6.5L, which is roughly 6.9 quarts, so I have to buy two of either one.
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#3168579 - 10/26/13 05:13 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: edyvw]
kjbock Offline


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I have a 128i, with the N52 engine. Where is the best place to buy GC? How about the new BC, 0W40?
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#3168612 - 10/26/13 05:43 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
artificialist Offline


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Originally Posted By: kjbock

I have a 128i, with the N52 engine. Where is the best place to buy GC? How about the new BC, 0W40?

AAP has the BC. Sometimes they will have a sale where you get 5 quarts or more of BC plus a premium filter at an amazing price when compared to buying some other 0w40 and a premium filter separately. I Paid $30 for 5quarts and a premium filter for my Mitsubishi.

That in mind, I don't know if the filters in this combo will fit a BMW N52.\

As for GC, Autozone has it, but I don't know if they have the occasional sale on it.
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#3168631 - 10/26/13 06:07 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
edyvw Offline


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Originally Posted By: kjbock

I have a 128i, with the N52 engine. Where is the best place to buy GC? How about the new BC, 0W40?

Autozone has GC and AAP has BC.
I am personally fan of GC bcs it is well known that it works. BC, i still need to see some UOA.
I swtiched to heavier oil now, so would not rule out BC, but staying with M1 until I see enough UOA.
Edit: autozone has GC on sale sometimes, as well as Pep Boys.
In spring I got 5qt in PB for $5 per quart.


Edited by edyvw (10/26/13 06:09 PM)
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#3168666 - 10/26/13 06:53 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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I don't see any compelling reason to use the Liqui-Moly. It's more expensive and has less impressive specifications.
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#3168687 - 10/26/13 07:08 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
Clevy Offline


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Liqui-moly brand oils are well respected in Germany and from what I've read the brand is very popular over there.
Since it's a German brand oil formulated for european(German) engines I don't see any reason not to use it.
I'm using the 0w-40 in my charger right now and thus far I like it.
However M1 0w-40 is a known great oil and a sure thing as far as quality,and the price is tough to beat.
I guess the only difference really is that 1 brand is a 5w-40 and the other a 0w-40. 5w-40 grades tend to shear less however I'm not sure that it will make much if any difference.
What are your winters like. If sub-zero temps are common then a 0w will be a bit better as far as start up is concerned but it cold weather isn't a concern then it's a toss up.
Try it out. Worst case scenario is you don't like it and run the M1 next time.
You may find a diamond in the rough. I don't know that many here have much experience with the liqui-moly brand of oil so if you decide to run it you'd have some experience that may benefit another member who may pose this same question.
Either way I think you're winning.
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#3168724 - 10/26/13 07:40 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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I would much rather run the Synthoil Energy, but sadly it is not LL-01. Specs are very similar to M1 0w40, but the HTHS is 3.6 (about 7% thinner).
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#3168825 - 10/26/13 09:41 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: artificialist]
kjbock Offline


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You are correct about the oil filters, the specials never include a good filter for a BMW (Mann, Mahle, etc.).
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#3168833 - 10/26/13 09:50 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: Clevy]
kjbock Offline


Registered: 09/23/13
Posts: 64
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Liqui-moly brand oils are well respected in Germany and from what I've read the brand is very popular over there.
Since it's a German brand oil formulated for european(German) engines I don't see any reason not to use it.
I'm using the 0w-40 in my charger right now and thus far I like it.
However M1 0w-40 is a known great oil and a sure thing as far as quality,and the price is tough to beat.
I guess the only difference really is that 1 brand is a 5w-40 and the other a 0w-40. 5w-40 grades tend to shear less however I'm not sure that it will make much if any difference.
What are your winters like. If sub-zero temps are common then a 0w will be a bit better as far as start up is concerned but it cold weather isn't a concern then it's a toss up.
Try it out. Worst case scenario is you don't like it and run the M1 next time.
You may find a diamond in the rough. I don't know that many here have much experience with the liqui-moly brand of oil so if you decide to run it you'd have some experience that may benefit another member who may pose this same question.
Either way I think you're winning.


It doesn't get that cold here in NC in the winter, maybe down to 10F at night. Rarely ever sub-zero. I have the Liqui Moly in my engine now (oil chg down by an Indy), but have not had a UOA done yet. I might give it one more try, then switch to GC or M1, and see which one has the best UOA at the end of the day.
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#3169001 - 10/27/13 04:59 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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Synthoil High Tech is a completely PAO based lubricant, whilst Leichtlauf High Tech is Group III based.
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#3169033 - 10/27/13 06:46 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: Falcon_LS]
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I just got 2 5L jugs of Top Tec 4100 5W-40 to run in my GTI. I plan to do a UOA at 5K to see how it works out. Will be dumping the FF at 5K, which will probably be in December. I have the free maint, but it's more hassle to get it to the dealer than just changing it myself. You guys are certainly more knowledgeable about these numbers than I am.

Viscosity class : 5W-40
Viscosity at +40 °C : 85.0 mm²/s DIN 51562
Viscosity at +100 °C : 14.0 mm²/s DIN 51562
Viscosity index : 170 DIN ISO 2909
Flash point : 236 °C DIN ISO 2592
Pour point : -39 °C DIN ISO 3016
Ash, sulphate : 0.8 g/100 g DIN 51575
Base number : 7.4 mg KOH/g DIN ISO 3771
High temperature/
High shear viscosity : 3.5 m.Pa.s CEC CL-23



Edited by JetStar (10/27/13 06:57 AM)
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#3169044 - 10/27/13 07:03 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: Falcon_LS]
kjbock Offline


Registered: 09/23/13
Posts: 64
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Synthoil High Tech is a completely PAO based lubricant, whilst Leichtlauf High Tech is Group III based.


Yeah, the only problem though is the Synthoil is not LL-01, even though it is probably a better oil.
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#3169255 - 10/27/13 11:59 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: JetStar]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 770
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: JetStar
I just got 2 5L jugs of Top Tec 4100 5W-40 to run in my GTI. I plan to do a UOA at 5K to see how it works out. Will be dumping the FF at 5K, which will probably be in December. I have the free maint, but it's more hassle to get it to the dealer than just changing it myself. You guys are certainly more knowledgeable about these numbers than I am.

Viscosity class : 5W-40
Viscosity at +40 °C : 85.0 mm²/s DIN 51562
Viscosity at +100 °C : 14.0 mm²/s DIN 51562
Viscosity index : 170 DIN ISO 2909
Flash point : 236 °C DIN ISO 2592
Pour point : -39 °C DIN ISO 3016
Ash, sulphate : 0.8 g/100 g DIN 51575
Base number : 7.4 mg KOH/g DIN ISO 3771
High temperature/
High shear viscosity : 3.5 m.Pa.s CEC CL-23



With all that sulfur and ethanol in gas I woud stick to High-SAPS oil like M1, GC, BC, PU 5W40, or even this Luqi Moly 5W40 they are mentioning.
The reason why I am not big fan of LM is that I used it in Europe, before I moved to the US. All my cars were eating that oil compare to other oils.


Edited by edyvw (10/27/13 11:59 AM)
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#3169266 - 10/27/13 12:16 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
OVERKILL Offline


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Just use the M1 0w-40 and an OEM filter.
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#3170177 - 10/28/13 12:08 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: OVERKILL]
kjbock Offline


Registered: 09/23/13
Posts: 64
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Just use the M1 0w-40 and an OEM filter.


After thinking about it, you are right.
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#3170410 - 10/28/13 04:15 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 770
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: kjbock
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Just use the M1 0w-40 and an OEM filter.


After thinking about it, you are right.

In NC, I would go with GC 0W30.
I lived in AL and CA, used that oil, never had issues, no burning etc. My wife is still in Ca for some time, and only GC goes in her Tiguan.
Although paper says that M1 should be better in winter, I think that 2.0T has much smoother cold start with GC (I tried it).
Only reason why I switched to M1 is the fact that I live now on much higher altitude where flash point goes down, and M1 has higher flesh point.
That being said, I think next oil change I am moving to either Amsoil or Redline.
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#3171048 - 10/29/13 06:29 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: edyvw]
kjbock Offline


Registered: 09/23/13
Posts: 64
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kjbock
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Just use the M1 0w-40 and an OEM filter.


After thinking about it, you are right.

In NC, I would go with GC 0W30.
I lived in AL and CA, used that oil, never had issues, no burning etc. My wife is still in Ca for some time, and only GC goes in her Tiguan.
Although paper says that M1 should be better in winter, I think that 2.0T has much smoother cold start with GC (I tried it).
Only reason why I switched to M1 is the fact that I live now on much higher altitude where flash point goes down, and M1 has higher flesh point.
That being said, I think next oil change I am moving to either Amsoil or Redline.


The only problem with GC is that it costs about twice as much as M1. I think it is a good oil, but not twice as good as M1. Though I will end up trying both before deciding on one of the two, since I think they are probably two of the best oils for my BMW. I need to find a good special on the GC though before pulling the trigger.
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#3171249 - 10/29/13 10:00 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 770
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: kjbock
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kjbock
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Just use the M1 0w-40 and an OEM filter.


After thinking about it, you are right.

In NC, I would go with GC 0W30.
I lived in AL and CA, used that oil, never had issues, no burning etc. My wife is still in Ca for some time, and only GC goes in her Tiguan.
Although paper says that M1 should be better in winter, I think that 2.0T has much smoother cold start with GC (I tried it).
Only reason why I switched to M1 is the fact that I live now on much higher altitude where flash point goes down, and M1 has higher flesh point.
That being said, I think next oil change I am moving to either Amsoil or Redline.


The only problem with GC is that it costs about twice as much as M1. I think it is a good oil, but not twice as good as M1. Though I will end up trying both before deciding on one of the two, since I think they are probably two of the best oils for my BMW. I need to find a good special on the GC though before pulling the trigger.


When it comes to oil I personnaly never think of difference in price.
Yeah, M1 is cheap, I just put it in for $24 fo 5qt. However, when I see price that low I always think there is a reason for that.
I personnaly put M1 bcs i did not found any store here that carries some other PAO or Ester oil with higher flash point then GC, so I got M1 that ahs pretty decent flash point (althought it is GIII+).
I did find that now, so M1 is out probably once I hit 3K, and then put Redline 5W30 that I can buy in local store. It is $12 per quart, but my CC is also pretty expensive, so....
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#3171355 - 10/29/13 11:21 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: edyvw]
OVERKILL Offline


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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: edyvw

When it comes to oil I personnaly never think of difference in price.
Yeah, M1 is cheap, I just put it in for $24 fo 5qt. However, when I see price that low I always think there is a reason for that.
I personnaly put M1 bcs i did not found any store here that carries some other PAO or Ester oil with higher flash point then GC, so I got M1 that ahs pretty decent flash point (althought it is GIII+).
I did find that now, so M1 is out probably once I hit 3K, and then put Redline 5W30 that I can buy in local store. It is $12 per quart, but my CC is also pretty expensive, so....


Yet the Redline oil has ZERO of the factory approvals (including the VW ones that your car likely requires) that the M1 0w-40 does.

M1 0w-40 is a more modern lubricant than GC. It is also a bit heavier. And it is a blend of VISOM, PAO, AN's....etc. All kinds of goodies in that product. So while it isn't predominantly a PAO-based lubricant anymore (in the SN flavour), it isn't just a "group III" oil either. And we know more about M1 0w-40 than we do about GC because Castrol is incredible vague with their Product Data Sheets to the point where they really don't provide much meaningful data at all.

It is inexpensive only in the USA BTW, in the rest of the world, Mobil 1 lubricants aren't cheap. It is likely due to sheer volume that they are willing to sell at the price they do.
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#3171358 - 10/29/13 11:26 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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Edge goes on sale BOGO every now and then at AAP. That makes it $4.50 a quart for GC if your AAP carries it, or can transfer it in from a nearby store. More common is the 5+ filter deal. Right now it is with a Fram Ultra filter, which I usually give to my dad or get one that fits the lawn mower. If you allow $5 for the filter, your at $5/qt for the oil. I think they allow extra quarts @ 25% off, or just buy two complete deals.

I've heard of some folks returning the filters to walmart or another store for credit as well. Most AAP carry edge 0w-40 now. Mine also carries the 5w-40. Easy to check multiple locations on the AAP web site to see what's available near you.
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#3171420 - 10/29/13 12:14 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
It is inexpensive only in the USA BTW, in the rest of the world, Mobil 1 lubricants aren't cheap. It is likely due to sheer volume that they are willing to sell at the price they do.

Of course, it doesn't hurt that they get it in 5 quart jugs down there. If GC were available down south in 5 quart jugs, too, I bet it would be a little more competitive. Up here, it doesn't matter; you get hosed either way.
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#3171495 - 10/29/13 01:20 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: Garak]
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That reminds me I stopped in my local AAP, and they had 5qt jugs of Edge 0w-40 (BC) now as well as the single quarts they had before.
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#3171543 - 10/29/13 02:02 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: edyvw

When it comes to oil I personnaly never think of difference in price.
Yeah, M1 is cheap, I just put it in for $24 fo 5qt. However, when I see price that low I always think there is a reason for that.
I personnaly put M1 bcs i did not found any store here that carries some other PAO or Ester oil with higher flash point then GC, so I got M1 that ahs pretty decent flash point (althought it is GIII+).
I did find that now, so M1 is out probably once I hit 3K, and then put Redline 5W30 that I can buy in local store. It is $12 per quart, but my CC is also pretty expensive, so....


Yet the Redline oil has ZERO of the factory approvals (including the VW ones that your car likely requires) that the M1 0w-40 does.

M1 0w-40 is a more modern lubricant than GC. It is also a bit heavier. And it is a blend of VISOM, PAO, AN's....etc. All kinds of goodies in that product. So while it isn't predominantly a PAO-based lubricant anymore (in the SN flavour), it isn't just a "group III" oil either. And we know more about M1 0w-40 than we do about GC because Castrol is incredible vague with their Product Data Sheets to the point where they really don't provide much meaningful data at all.

It is inexpensive only in the USA BTW, in the rest of the world, Mobil 1 lubricants aren't cheap. It is likely due to sheer volume that they are willing to sell at the price they do.


I am sometimes using M1 in Europe in my car. It is much more expensive (as well as ANY other oil) but meets API SM and it is full synthetic formula (PAO based).
Sorry, but from my experience GC provided much smoother engine, easier cold starts.
Yes, Redline does not have manfg. approvals, but guess what, I am out of warranty, and although English is my second language and considering my education, I can read and understand what are Esters, what is NOACK (6% in case of RL 5W30), HTHS (3.7 5W30), and flash point (232c).
My car is getting soon Carbonio intake, APR chip flash, probably thicker sway bar and larger downpipe, so warranty is not of my concern, but it is lubrication, especially when I am increasing power from 200hp to approx 280hp.
And this being said, I do believe M1 is going to do OK job, but want better then that smile
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#3171581 - 10/29/13 02:51 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: edyvw]
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Originally Posted By: edyvw


I am sometimes using M1 in Europe in my car. It is much more expensive (as well as ANY other oil) but meets API SM and it is full synthetic formula (PAO based).
Sorry, but from my experience GC provided much smoother engine, easier cold starts.


Yup, I'm sure it does in some engines. We've had the opposite claims as well though on here, where M1 0w-40 was quieter than GC smile

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Yes, Redline does not have manfg. approvals, but guess what, I am out of warranty,


On a 2010? Wow, that's actually surprising! What's the warranty on that car?

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and although English is my second language and considering my education, I can read and understand what are Esters, what is NOACK (6% in case of RL 5W30), HTHS (3.7 5W30), and flash point (232c).


Not doubting your reading skills. But manufacturer certification and approval is certainly relevant. And of course Mobil uses esters too.... They just don't make a predominantly POE-based PCMO. Though they do with their turbine oils. I'm sure there is a reason for that shrug

Regardless, Porsche/VW/Audi as well as Mercedes have all tested M1 0w-40 and approved if. If you haven't looked up the Porsche oil test videos on Youtube, I encourage you to do so, they are pretty wild! smile

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My car is getting soon Carbonio intake, APR chip flash, probably thicker sway bar and larger downpipe, so warranty is not of my concern, but it is lubrication, especially when I am increasing power from 200hp to approx 280hp.
And this being said, I do believe M1 is going to do OK job, but want better then that smile


I'm sure it would do more than an OK job, I run it in my 400HP M5 and have no worries about it being up to the task. I won't run a non-approved (LL-01) lubricant in this car because I have a great deal of faith in the manufacturer testing and approval process due to how extensive it is.

To each their own cheers
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#3171602 - 10/29/13 03:11 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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M1 0w40 is factory fill for AMG, so Mercedes is recommending it for 600+HP while they factory fill with another (lesser?) Mobil oil for non AMG vehicles including 400+HP vehicles such as my own Mercedes with the 5.5L normally aspirated V8.

I guess they're putting this lesser oil in twin turbo 4L vehicles as well.

I'm currently preferring Ultra Euro 5w40 over M1 0w40. In Europe and elsewhere that's Shell Helix Ultra and its a relatively good price in non US markets esp vs M1 0w40.

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#3171820 - 10/29/13 07:35 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: TrevorS]
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@Overkill:

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On a 2010? Wow, that's actually surprising! What's the warranty on that car?


Yeah, I bought it with 28K in the end of march 2012, now it has 61k. Had CPO until 60K.
Listen, we both agree that M1 is good oil. However, it is not the best. VW puts Castrol 5W40 in their vehicles, but we all know it is not even close in quality as M1 or GC or PU or RL etc. In the end of the day, I did put M1 last week in my car (I already have 750miles on it smile ). But I do prefer GC, it is just that I had better experience in 1.8T with GC (much smoother in that engine then M1), the fact that CC or my wife's Tiguan does not burn a drop of oil, and to knock on wood, still did not have manifold issues. Only reason I went with M1 is the fact that M1 has 15c higher flash point and now I live on 6,100ft, which loweres flash point around 7c.
Also, when it comes to your M5, I would be more confident with M1 in that vehicle then in TSI engine.
That M5 is good ole engine with indirect injection, big displacement etc. TSI has too many issues with carbon, manifold, fuel dillution, that is why I think 100% synthetic, especially ester would be better.
And I get the point when it comes to manufacturers and their approval, but RL or Amsoil are not some unknow companies that would sell anything in their packages.
I am particurarly interested in RL because of NOACK of 6%. I know that this new PU 5W40 has NOACK of 6%, and would go with PU in a heart beat, but all this thing with new oil in old packages is just too funny!
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#3171873 - 10/29/13 08:17 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: edyvw]
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
@Overkill:

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On a 2010? Wow, that's actually surprising! What's the warranty on that car?


Yeah, I bought it with 28K in the end of march 2012, now it has 61k. Had CPO until 60K.
Listen, we both agree that M1 is good oil. However, it is not the best. VW puts Castrol 5W40 in their vehicles, but we all know it is not even close in quality as M1 or GC or PU or RL etc. In the end of the day, I did put M1 last week in my car (I already have 750miles on it smile ). But I do prefer GC, it is just that I had better experience in 1.8T with GC (much smoother in that engine then M1), the fact that CC or my wife's Tiguan does not burn a drop of oil, and to knock on wood, still did not have manifold issues. Only reason I went with M1 is the fact that M1 has 15c higher flash point and now I live on 6,100ft, which loweres flash point around 7c.
Also, when it comes to your M5, I would be more confident with M1 in that vehicle then in TSI engine.
That M5 is good ole engine with indirect injection, big displacement etc. TSI has too many issues with carbon, manifold, fuel dillution, that is why I think 100% synthetic, especially ester would be better.
And I get the point when it comes to manufacturers and their approval, but RL or Amsoil are not some unknow companies that would sell anything in their packages.
I am particurarly interested in RL because of NOACK of 6%. I know that this new PU 5W40 has NOACK of 6%, and would go with PU in a heart beat, but all this thing with new oil in old packages is just too funny!


LOL! Well M1 0w-40 is only 8.8%, so not far off really wink

I think we don't apply the same weight to the manufacturers certs and approvals and that's cool, that's why we have choices right? cheers
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#3171882 - 10/29/13 08:24 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: edyvw
@Overkill:

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On a 2010? Wow, that's actually surprising! What's the warranty on that car?


Yeah, I bought it with 28K in the end of march 2012, now it has 61k. Had CPO until 60K.
Listen, we both agree that M1 is good oil. However, it is not the best. VW puts Castrol 5W40 in their vehicles, but we all know it is not even close in quality as M1 or GC or PU or RL etc. In the end of the day, I did put M1 last week in my car (I already have 750miles on it smile ). But I do prefer GC, it is just that I had better experience in 1.8T with GC (much smoother in that engine then M1), the fact that CC or my wife's Tiguan does not burn a drop of oil, and to knock on wood, still did not have manifold issues. Only reason I went with M1 is the fact that M1 has 15c higher flash point and now I live on 6,100ft, which loweres flash point around 7c.
Also, when it comes to your M5, I would be more confident with M1 in that vehicle then in TSI engine.
That M5 is good ole engine with indirect injection, big displacement etc. TSI has too many issues with carbon, manifold, fuel dillution, that is why I think 100% synthetic, especially ester would be better.
And I get the point when it comes to manufacturers and their approval, but RL or Amsoil are not some unknow companies that would sell anything in their packages.
I am particurarly interested in RL because of NOACK of 6%. I know that this new PU 5W40 has NOACK of 6%, and would go with PU in a heart beat, but all this thing with new oil in old packages is just too funny!


LOL! Well M1 0w-40 is only 8.8%, so not far off really wink

I think we don't apply the same weight to the manufacturers certs and approvals and that's cool, that's why we have choices right? cheers


Well, I put M1 bcs it meets MB 229.5 which means NOACK is below 10%.
Now, 6% is really good.
However, my wife's Tig has GC in it. Once she moves here I will change oil and will take sample, take sample from my CC and will do RL and take sample and send for UOA.
So we will see, it might be interesting.
Tig is driven like 8miles a day (4 miles one direction, all city driving, like 10 stop lights to the work, top 45 miles an hour). Only open road that it will see will be from San Diego to Colorado Springs (approx. 1100 miles). So it would be good sample to take a look.
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#3171888 - 10/29/13 08:27 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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Indeed! BTW, if it helps, with respect to consumption, so far, in a 10K OCI, I've gone through 1L of PU 5w-40 in my M5 (supposedly the low volatility SN version... but in the SM bottle of course wink ) which is the exact same as what I went through with the SM version of M1 0w-40 when I ran it previously shrug

It'll be interesting to compare the UOA's to see how the TBN held up, as the fuel dilution was epic with the M1 (I ran it last winter) but the TBN was still ridiculously high.
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#3171897 - 10/29/13 08:32 PM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Indeed! BTW, if it helps, with respect to consumption, so far, in a 10K OCI, I've gone through 1L of PU 5w-40 in my M5 (supposedly the low volatility SN version... but in the SM bottle of course wink ) which is the exact same as what I went through with the SM version of M1 0w-40 when I ran it previously shrug

It'll be interesting to compare the UOA's to see how the TBN held up, as the fuel dilution was epic with the M1 (I ran it last winter) but the TBN was still ridiculously high.

One of the reasons why I moved from M1 to GC is smell of gas.
So I got CC, and put M1 (bcs it is thicker, and thinking bcs of fuel dilution should be better).
It was "stinking" horribly.
With GC, you could smell, but nothing like with M1 (SN version).
I know, it is not some science, but that is what I observed.
Do not know with PU, but mght try that too.
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#3299919 - 03/03/14 07:51 AM Re: Liqui Moly? [Re: kjbock]
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As an update, I just drained out the Liqui Moly in my engine and will run a UOA. I drove a lot of short trips this winter and my engine is relatively new (~5000 miles), so I went ahead and changed the oil.

I replaced it with GC, 0W-30. The engine does run smoother and quieter with GC over the LM. The only thing I noticed negative so far with the GC is the engine at idle has a ever so slight shimmy/vibration once in awhile. Of course, that could just be my OCD about my car kicking in.
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