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#3159241 - 10/17/13 07:29 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: Chriznat20@msn.com]
stchman Offline


Registered: 09/25/13
Posts: 517
Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: Chriznat20@msn.com
So people will:

1.) Pay a premium for a diesel engine in the Cruze

2.) Pay anywhere from $.25-$.60 MORE per gallon for diesel over gasoline here in Michigan

3.) Have to buy Dexos2 oil at the dealer for $6-$8+ per QUART

What are the economic advantages of opting for a diesel engine over the gasoline engine they put in the Cruze Eco again?


The Cruze diesel gets better fuel economy than a Cruze Eco, and most people report that they are getting ~50MPG on the highway with a Cruze diesel and some are lucky to get the 42MPG that the Cruze Eco gets.
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#3159247 - 10/17/13 07:32 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: 2oldtommy]
stchman Offline


Registered: 09/25/13
Posts: 517
Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: 2oldtommy
Looks like Mobil 1 ESP 0W-40 is on the dexos2 list. I believe this is available at many Walmarts IIRC. Check it out. FWIW

Oldtommy


And that's the WRONG viscosity for the Cruze diesel. The Cruze diesel calls for dexos2 5W-30.
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#3159249 - 10/17/13 07:33 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: CMB]
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Registered: 10/17/13
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I took delivery of a 2014 diesel Cruze TD four weeks ago. It is powered by a GM Family B 2.0 diesel. This engine is designed by Fiat and is manufactured in Germany. This is mated to an Aisin AF40-6 automatic transmission.

The car currently just turned over 2000 miles and achieved 52 MPG on the last tank of fuel (hand calculated). This was purchased for my wife’s commute of about 100 miles per day round trip 90% highway. The car came with 24,000 miles of free maintenance which includes oil changes. I inquired with the dealer and they will indeed be using Mobil Super 3000 Formula G 5W30 for the free oil changes. They were also aware of the fact that the Dexos 2 oil is not readily available in the US. I was told that as long as the oil is ACEA C3 and also 5W30 there would be no warranty issues (Powertrain is 5Year/100,000 miles). There is a group of us waiting for a response from GM on this in writing.

I am still trying to determine which oil to run in this once the free changes are done, and it looks like the only restrictions are ACEA C3 and 5W30. I plan on doing UOAs once I figure out when I am going to run. In the meantime I will enjoy driving the little torque monster.
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#3159319 - 10/17/13 08:21 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: CMB]
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Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 3
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
One more quick thing. It also states in the manual that 0w30 can be used in cold temperatures to ease engine startup.
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#3159428 - 10/17/13 10:15 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: stchman]
99Saturn Offline


Registered: 02/25/13
Posts: 1021
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: stchman
The Cruze diesel gets better fuel economy than a Cruze Eco, and most people report that they are getting ~50MPG on the highway with a Cruze diesel and some are lucky to get the 42MPG that the Cruze Eco gets.

Interesting... the vast majority of what I have heard regarding the ECO is preforming at or above the estimates, often well over 42 mpg.

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#3159437 - 10/17/13 10:24 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: pavelow]
friendly_jacek Offline


Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 5396
Loc: southeast US
Originally Posted By: pavelow


Calling a diesel ENGINE a motor. LMAO.


LOL, engine = motor.

Like electric locomotive engine and motor boat.

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#3159618 - 10/18/13 07:06 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: m37charlie]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11666
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Where I live diesel is a few cents more than mid octane gasoline and cheaper than the highest octane gasoline.

OT, but in your neck of the woods, do you get a seasonal difference in diesel prices? Here, diesel is cheaper than gasoline in the summer, but when fall hits, the price of diesel jumps above that of gas (but usually still less than premium).
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#3159847 - 10/18/13 12:04 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: CMB]
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yes, #1 diesel is a bit more expensive (but less dense) than #2.

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#3160545 - 10/19/13 08:18 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: friendly_jacek]
Silverado12 Offline


Registered: 02/26/13
Posts: 783
Loc: Central Virginia
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: pavelow


Calling a diesel ENGINE a motor. LMAO.


LOL, engine = motor.

Like electric locomotive engine and motor boat.


Why, haven't you ever heard of an engine boat lol?
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#3160926 - 10/19/13 04:40 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: friendly_jacek]
adamrc Offline


Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 165
Loc: Nashville, TN
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: pavelow


Calling a diesel ENGINE a motor. LMAO.


LOL, engine = motor.

Like electric locomotive engine and motor boat.


Maybe we should rename this category in the forum since it's titled "Passenger Car Motor Oil". We could rename it to "Passenger Car Engine Oil".

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#3162734 - 10/21/13 02:52 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: stchman]
Chriznat20@msn.com Offline


Registered: 11/23/04
Posts: 856
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: stchman
The Cruze diesel gets better fuel economy than a Cruze Eco, and most people report that they are getting ~50MPG on the highway with a Cruze diesel and some are lucky to get the 42MPG that the Cruze Eco gets.


Thats interesting because those people obviously have never heard of or reported their mileage to Fuelly.com :
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/2014

There is like 1 person with a 2014 Cruze Diesel who is reporting 51.1mpg average. The rest of the diesel engine owners are averaging mid-low 40's and below.

As a matter of fact, the majority of people with the Cruze diesel are reporting 39-40mpg or less - Hardly the 50mpg+ like you assert "most people" are reporting getting.


Edited by Chriznat20@msn.com (10/21/13 02:58 PM)
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#3163669 - 10/22/13 11:41 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: Chriznat20@msn.com]
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Registered: 01/13/12
Posts: 123
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Originally Posted By: Chriznat20@msn.com
Originally Posted By: stchman
The Cruze diesel gets better fuel economy than a Cruze Eco, and most people report that they are getting ~50MPG on the highway with a Cruze diesel and some are lucky to get the 42MPG that the Cruze Eco gets.


Thats interesting because those people obviously have never heard of or reported their mileage to Fuelly.com :
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/2014

There is like 1 person with a 2014 Cruze Diesel who is reporting 51.1mpg average. The rest of the diesel engine owners are averaging mid-low 40's and below.

As a matter of fact, the majority of people with the Cruze diesel are reporting 39-40mpg or less - Hardly the 50mpg+ like you assert "most people" are reporting getting.


Not to be nitpicky, but it is possible they're getting 50MPG on the highway as stchman said compared to the other Cruze models. I assume the numbers presented on Fuelly are some combination of city/highway driving. Thus, if you compare the combined MPGs using gas vs diesel, you still tend to see the diesel models with higher average MPG which is likely being pulled upwards due to the highway cruising efficiency of a diesel. Additionally, you said "the majority of people" are reporting 39-40MPG or less. In fact, based on the link you provided, it's about 50/50 for people who have below 40MPG vs above 40MPG.

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#3163672 - 10/22/13 11:42 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: Chriznat20@msn.com]
rrounds Offline


Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 453
Loc: SACRAMENTO, CA
Originally Posted By: Chriznat20@msn.com
Originally Posted By: stchman
The Cruze diesel gets better fuel economy than a Cruze Eco, and most people report that they are getting ~50MPG on the highway with a Cruze diesel and some are lucky to get the 42MPG that the Cruze Eco gets.


Thats interesting because those people obviously have never heard of or reported their mileage to Fuelly.com :
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/2014

There is like 1 person with a 2014 Cruze Diesel who is reporting 51.1mpg average. The rest of the diesel engine owners are averaging mid-low 40's and below.

As a matter of fact, the majority of people with the Cruze diesel are reporting 39-40mpg or less - Hardly the 50mpg+ like you assert "most people" are reporting getting.

Yes, I love Fuelly to see how the cars I'm looking at perform at the pump.
Looks like around 30.8 for 2014 gas engines.
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/gas%20l4
and 41.3 for the 2014 diesel
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/diesel%20l4
That's 34% better mileage for the diesel.

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#3163704 - 10/22/13 12:15 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: rrounds]
99Saturn Offline


Registered: 02/25/13
Posts: 1021
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: rrounds
Yes, I love Fuelly to see how the cars I'm looking at perform at the pump.
Looks like around 30.8 for 2014 gas engines.
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/gas%20l4
and 41.3 for the 2014 diesel
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/diesel%20l4
That's 34% better mileage for the diesel.

ROD


One thing I noticed looking at these two links is the size of the datasets on the above links are much different:
2014 gas are 7 cars, 30 fuelups, and 8,300 miles tracked
2014 diesel are 23 cars, 222 fuelups, 95,000 miles

There may be some other factors at work - particularly talking about a dataset of 7 gas engines (miles on the car, drivers adjusting, to new cars, error from small dataset). The gas engines mpg estimates for 2013 and 2012 were 33.4 and 33.7 respectively.

The gas dataset is also going to have a variety of models which have EPA estimates as well as the different estimates for manual versus auto transmission.

I would think for the gas estimates any LS Auto is going to skew the average way down while the ECO Manual would bring it up, but then driving conditions would have to be accounted for too...I've seen the same debate brought up on the LS versus 1LT versus Eco cost to purchase vertsus cost of gas over he lifetime of the vehicle, at least to me it never seems a clear cut answer.

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#3165080 - 10/23/13 02:40 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: rrounds]
Chriznat20@msn.com Offline


Registered: 11/23/04
Posts: 856
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: rrounds

Yes, I love Fuelly to see how the cars I'm looking at perform at the pump.
Looks like around 30.8 for 2014 gas engines.
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/gas%20l4
and 41.3 for the 2014 diesel
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/diesel%20l4
That's 34% better mileage for the diesel.

ROD


ROD, Looking at the 2014 data from fuelly.com, its easy to see that 41.3mpg isn't for just diesel Cruzes, but ALL 2014's. Doh!

And the highest Cruze mpg from a diesel was 51.1mpg. But oops! That person is from Canada, eh? Imperial gallons. 51.1 IMPERIAL gallons = 42mpg in US gallons.

Anyways, moving forward...


Edited by Chriznat20@msn.com (10/23/13 02:43 PM)
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