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#314996 - 03/25/03 07:34 PM BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Guys, (and gals), Joe, and myself, all have been working to put a flow test together on filters. There has been a few others that have some knowledge of our attempts and have sent us some items to assist in this as well.

Now in an attempt to do such, I want to say we are no where near ready to establish our runs but because of the excitement we have about this, I wanted to show you all what we have done so far and what we have. I am still needing to work out some bugs as the motor appears not to be up to the task fully, but I think this is giving us a peak as to some of the basic questions on flow.

Remember, the better the filtration, the lower the flow? Atleast that was my theory, so to somewhat establish this, here is what I did.

In this pic, we have the motor attached to a 302 ford oil pump. This is a 90vdc 1 and 1/2 hp variable speed motor. This assembly sits in a 5gal oil bucket.
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Now, I attached a filter relocator kit with the standard 3/4 thread for a ford filter. Because of the speed bugs for the motor that I still have to resolve, I just setup each filter to show a 40lb pressure to the filter and see what the drop was across the filter. Now this isn't exactly what I had/have in mind on how to test but as before, motor needs some beefing up as it will blow the breaker when I put too much pressure to the bearing area by closing off the valve too tight.

The red hose is the output going back to the bucket.

Amsoils filter....
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Mobil 1 filter....
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K&N filter....
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Fram filter....
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Anyway, figured this might give you guys something to talk about...
bob

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#314997 - 03/25/03 07:43 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
segfault Offline


Registered: 09/18/02
Posts: 190
Loc: KY
Impressive setup! How does one determine if the filter is going into bypass mode?

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#314998 - 03/25/03 07:47 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
Rat407 Offline


Registered: 12/13/02
Posts: 784
Loc: North Carolina
Very interesting. Nice set up also. [Smile]

I'll have to keep checking in to see how things are going. Keep up the good work. [Big Grin]

[Patriot]

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#314999 - 03/26/03 08:00 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
rugerman1 Offline


Registered: 07/26/02
Posts: 1871
Loc: .
Bob,
According to your pictures,Fram had a little less pressure drop than K&N.Very interesting.How much do you have invested in your test equiptment?
What oil was used?

Mark

[ March 26, 2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

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#315000 - 03/26/03 08:04 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
Kevin in Texas Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 104
Loc: Baton Rouge
Great experiement!!!! I love it!!

A few suggestions.

1. Can you test the Bosch Premium. There has been alot of positive comments about this filter and is highly recommended by Champion.
2. It would also be interesting to see if you could get each filter to go in bypass and then see if the bypass valve reseats. This will help us decide which bypass system works best.

Again, I love the test and keep the data coming!

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#315001 - 03/26/03 08:14 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
UncleS2 Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 3091
Loc: Far North East Texas
Look at the pressure drop on the M1 filter! [Eek!] I'd like to see what a Wix & AC filter show. If you'll PM/Email me a PayPal address, I'll zap you the price of a Wix 51085 & an AC-Delco PF-13; same thread & gasket as the big Ford filter, but shorter case. Hmm...maybe a Motorcraft too... [Big Grin]

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#315002 - 03/26/03 08:17 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Well, while you were posting, I went out and did the last two filters I had at the time.

Bosch Prem....
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Wix Napa 21516 Silver....
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Now, let me elaborate just a little more on what we have here....

This is useing the supertech, (cheapest oil on sale) 10w30.

This oil is not warm but in a cold state. We do have a barrel heater that we will after we conduct cold oil tests with a variable speed, then heat up and run hot tests.

At this time, I cannot state what the bypass is doing until I get the variable speed control working as needed, it's just at a stable run speed which demonstrates nothing more than pressure drop across the filter at 40+-psi input.

[ March 26, 2003, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]

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#315003 - 03/26/03 08:19 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Cost so far invested on my part is about 150.00 give or take a few. As for Joe, I have no idea for sure.

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#315004 - 03/26/03 08:30 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
tenderloin Offline


Registered: 12/16/02
Posts: 6071
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
Have an address? I will send some money to help out if wanted.

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#315005 - 03/26/03 08:36 AM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Sure, I'd appreciate any help with the costs. I'm going to keep looking for filters and add to our line for testing as well. I have a paypal link on the bottom of the left side of the main page, bobistheoilguy.com if you want to use the computer. They do charge us a fee for using that service, but if you want to send a check here's the address. Thanks.

B. Winters
540 Sailfish Dr. E.
Atlantic Beach, Fl. 32233

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#315006 - 03/25/03 09:02 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
joee12 Offline


Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 4106
quote:
Originally posted by BOBISTHEOILGUY:
Cost so far invested on my part is about 150.00 give or take a few. As for Joe, I have no idea for sure.

My share has been around $150 also. I gotta tell you guys, Bob has done a great job putting this together. We are really trying to do some "real world" tests on oil filters instead of just cutting open filters and taking pictures. -Joe

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#315007 - 03/25/03 09:39 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14767
Loc: Iowegia
Nice experiemntal setup Bob and Joe. I will be interested in seeing the full hot/cold test.
Let me know if you need an extra pump (hydraulic), since I have a few used spares. I also have an extra CarQuest filter for that mount if you like.

If you need some hydraulic calculations done let me know since I have both MatLab and MathCad.

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#315008 - 03/25/03 09:48 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
dickwells Offline


Registered: 06/12/02
Posts: 901
Loc: Northern Illinois
Just Fantastic Bob!
I had thought about rigging up a crude tester using head pressure from whatever height was appropriate but this is much better. My check is in the mail! RW

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#315009 - 03/25/03 10:26 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
Bootlegger Offline


Registered: 10/24/02
Posts: 23
Loc: west central missouri
Just when I thought this site couldn't get any better,what an awesome job!!! Is there any way this study could become a link on the home page?? [Cheers!]

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#315010 - 03/25/03 10:32 PM Re: BOBISTHEOILGUY FILTER TESTS
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
After we start gettin this whole thing together so it makes sense, we will eventually link it on our front page. Our goals are to try and see if we can watch bypass valves, when and how long do they stay open, oil drop across filters when oil is cold, when hot.., Also have an idea on how we might beable to measure antidrain back valves for leakage, not sure, idea only at this time and will take more parts to do that. At this time, we are just wanting to do some basic flow tests , mainly because without good flow, you have a higher chance of higher wear numbers on your analysis. Anyway, lots of testing before conclusions are final.

Thanks, really like the input from everone.
bob

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