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#3128627 - 09/18/13 01:11 PM Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ?
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: Idaho
I am thinking that for climates where winter temps usually do not get below 10 degF, the best choice is Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 SN:

HTHS= 3.0
VI= 177
MRV= 13,300 (at -35C)
CCS= 4110 (at -30C)

What say you ?

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#3128634 - 09/18/13 01:25 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
danthaman1980 Offline


Registered: 03/12/10
Posts: 880
Loc: SE Wisconsin
I'd say Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 and Havoline Synthetic 5W-30 are among the best off the shelf 5W-30 oils for cold weather... but as far as xW-30s - Have you tried the CATERHAM blend?
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#3128637 - 09/18/13 01:34 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
Phishin Offline


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What car is this going in? How is it driven?

Lots of oils fit that bill.

I'd choose M1 0w30AFE or GC before PP or Havoline. Caterham blend is a decent option though. I kinda run that in my Accord now that specs for a 20 weight oil.

Hard to beat Synpower 5w30 too. If I wanted to run Valvoline oil, I'd mix 50/50 Synpower 0w20 and their 5w40.
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#3128641 - 09/18/13 01:37 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
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IMHO you have made a great pick.
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#3128660 - 09/18/13 02:01 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: Phishin]
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Phishin
..........I'd choose ............ GC before PP or Havoline. ........


Why would you want a thick oil like GC for winter use?

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#3128662 - 09/18/13 02:03 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: danthaman1980]
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: danthaman1980
I'd say Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 and Havoline Synthetic 5W-30 are among the best off the shelf 5W-30 oils for cold weather.......


Havoline does not provide a lot of specs for judging its winter performance. No MRV, CCS, or HTHS is listed on the PDS. Just a VI of 170, which is inferior to the 177 of the PP.

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#3128679 - 09/18/13 02:18 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: danthaman1980]
wolf_06 Offline


Registered: 06/11/12
Posts: 442
Loc: Atlantic, Canada
Originally Posted By: danthaman1980
I'd say Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 and Havoline Synthetic 5W-30 are among the best off the shelf 5W-30 oils for cold weather... but as far as xW-30s - Have you tried the CATERHAM blend?


What the heck is catherham blend lol, how about u put spinach in ur engine to see if you'll have the same benefits that Popeye does.... just get a good name brand synthetic 5w30, you will be totally fine.
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#3128685 - 09/18/13 02:24 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
I am thinking that for climates where winter temps usually do not get below 10 degF, the best choice is Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 SN:

HTHS= 3.0
VI= 177
MRV= 13,300 (at -35C)
CCS= 4110 (at -30C)

What say you ?


For the sake of comparison, M1 0W30 AFE SN:

HTHS= 3.0
VI= 166
MRV= 13,250 (at -40C)
CCS= not available


The M1 0W30 is thicker at a 10 degF startup than the PP 5W30. But if I needed to start my car at -20 degF on a frequent basis, I would want the M1 instead of the PP 5W30.

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#3128701 - 09/18/13 02:36 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 161
Loc: ny
GC has -60 pour point

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#3128745 - 09/18/13 03:30 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
nitehawk55 Offline


Registered: 04/01/10
Posts: 1078
Loc: Ontario , Canada
Never seen any oil on the shelves with CATERHAM blend on the label smile

Unless you see -30 temps a lot during the winter a 5W30 syn oil should be fine if your starting system is up to it . I'm in a warmer climate than you and I like to run 0W20 in the winter or at least 5W20 syn . I've got DOHC engines so I like to get that oil to them ASAP .
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#3128793 - 09/18/13 04:24 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: nitehawk55]
danthaman1980 Offline


Registered: 03/12/10
Posts: 880
Loc: SE Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
What the heck is catherham blend lol, how about u put spinach in ur engine to see if you'll have the same benefits that Popeye does.... just get a good name brand synthetic 5w30, you will be totally fine.


Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Never seen any oil on the shelves with CATERHAM blend on the label smile


Anti-blenders gonna hate frown
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#3128794 - 09/18/13 04:25 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: motts]
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: motts
GC has -60 pour point


Pour point is pretty much an irrelevant spec for predicting cold weather performance in an engine. GC also has a HTHS vis of 3.5, and a VI of 166, according to BITOG members. Compared to other 0W30 and 5W30 oils, it is a much thicker oil at cold, winter start ups. Castrol has not published CCS or MRV for GC have they?

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#3128815 - 09/18/13 04:44 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
typ901 Offline


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 795
Loc: N. 'Burbs of Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: danthaman1980
I'd say Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 and Havoline Synthetic 5W-30 are among the best off the shelf 5W-30 oils for cold weather.......


Havoline does not provide a lot of specs for judging its winter performance. No MRV, CCS, or HTHS is listed on the PDS. Just a VI of 170, which is inferior to the 177 of the PP.


http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html

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#3128819 - 09/18/13 04:46 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
bluesubie Offline


Registered: 08/04/03
Posts: 2038
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: Phishin
..........I'd choose ............ GC before PP or Havoline. ........


Why would you want a thick oil like GC for winter use?

I would because my turbo isn't going to get an oil with an HTHS of lower than 3.5. RC oils are below my comfort zone and no uoa or pds info is going to change that. smile2

If this is for the Legacy GT, I wouldn't run it unless you drive it very easy. Then again what's the point of having an LGT if that's the case. It might be fine with 3k mile intervals though.

My winter fill will be Motul X-cess 5W-40. If I feel it's too thick, I'll thin it out a bit after I burn through a quart.

So what's the application?

-Dennis
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#3128833 - 09/18/13 04:58 PM Re: Best Xw-30 Oil for Winter of 2013/2014 ? [Re: SubLGT]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 9708
Loc: Northern Kentucky
Caterham blend ftw.
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