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#2936764 - 03/12/13 05:52 PM 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others
smc733 Offline


Registered: 11/14/11
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Hi All,

I got some good insight in my last thread about my Corolla, so I AM going to see if I can get it fixed first, but otherwise, I've reached a comfort in getting a new car, if needed.

I'm primarily debating a 2013 Altima 2.5SV w/Nav and convenience vs Accord I4 EX-L w/Nav.

The Accord will cost me $15,700 after trade, whereas the Altima will only cost me $11,800 after my trade (makes sense, as the sticker is about $4k more for the Accord).

The differences I can see are not that big of a deal:
Accord has Blind spot camera, leather, heated seats, power passenger seat, memory seats over the Altima

What is the reliability difference between these two brands? I'm a bit worried about CVT reliability, but for gas reasons, I don't want to go 6-cyl (and insurance reasons, and more money for the car, etc...).

I do not want a Hyundai or Kia, nor do I want a domestic 4 cyl, so the only other option is the Camry, which doesn't seem to get well-reviewed in comparison.

Once again I appreciate any insight anyone can give, you all have been tremendously helpful, especially because there is so much I don't quite know.

I'm looking for a car with the niceties, and reliability, as I want a comfortable car I can take care of, and will last me for 8-10 years.
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#2936785 - 03/12/13 06:12 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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But, but...
Originally Posted By: smc733
I PROMISE this will be the last thread about this I will post.


LOL


Seriously though, have you driven them both? Does any one of them "speak" to you more than the other? Reliability aside, you need to find a car that you will truly enjoy driving. Otherwise, you'll be back here in 2 years trying to ditch it just like you're trying to ditch that Corolla right now.

Both cars have CVT, don't they, so I would expect reliability to be similar, although I think Nissan has been playing the CVT game a bit longer than Honda, so maybe they have more experience there, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

As far as price difference, if you spread it over 8-10 years of ownership, it's fairly meaningless, IMO.

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#2936786 - 03/12/13 06:12 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Drive both and go with first impression. If I were to own an Altima,it'd have to be the V6.
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#2936794 - 03/12/13 06:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Test drive a 2014 Mazda 6i Touring w/ Tech Package before making your decision.
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#2936796 - 03/12/13 06:19 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I would skip the plastic leather and other junk that will just break in a few years. Id go either model, MT, more basic setup, and base it upon a real test drive, not just around the block.

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#2936808 - 03/12/13 06:25 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Ive driven a 3.5 altima and 4cyl accord. I just liked the way accord handled, a lil better interior and just the overall comfort. If i had to choose one of the two I would pick the accord, better all around car IMO.
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#2936820 - 03/12/13 06:32 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: laserred96gt]
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The Altima is a very nice car and I prefer it over the Accord. However, I say that with a bias. See my signature.

In 2008 I was going back and forth between the Altima Coupe and Accord Coupe. I chose the Altima and have been very happy with my decision. The 2.5-liter QR25DE matched with the CVT is a nice combination. The CVT takes a little getting used to, but you'll then enjoy how smooth it is. Just stay away from the forums where the overwhelming minority talk about its problems because it'll just plant negative thoughts in your head. Nissan wouldn't have extended the CVT warranty to 10 years / 120K miles if they were truly that problematic. It would cost them too much money.
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#2936828 - 03/12/13 06:37 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: bourne]
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Originally Posted By: bourne
Test drive a 2014 Mazda 6i Touring w/ Tech Package before making your decision.


THIS!
A real slushbox is better than a CVT anyday IMO

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#2936850 - 03/12/13 06:55 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
smc733 Offline


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Hi All,

So I am really mostly interested in things like the auto-dimming rear-view mirror, power seats, and navigation, as far as niceties go. (I could care less about leather or push-button start).

I cannot do a M/T, I got rid of my RSX a year and a half ago because of the traffic I sit in.

As far as the CVT driving experience, it felt OK on both cars. (I preferred the soft ride of the Altima to the Accord, but I also preferred the sharp Handling of the Accord to the Altima).

Perhaps I should give the Camry XLE a second look, for the sake of it being a 6spd auto? Or maybe the SE w/Nav to get better handling. From my visit to the Toyota dealer a few weeks ago, the Camry equipped with the things I'd like falls somewhere between the two in price (around $14k), but it has about 7 less HP.
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#2936853 - 03/12/13 06:57 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: surfstar]
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Originally Posted By: surfstar
A real slushbox is better than a CVT anyday IMO

Why exactly? Have you ever owned a vehicle with a CVT? What support your opinion?

I'm not saying CVTs are better. I'm not saying your not entitled to an opinion. I'm just trying to draw fact out of an otherwise unsupported opinion.
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#2936861 - 03/12/13 07:09 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I just bought the Altima 2.5 SL. Nice ride and convenience. The CVT is very smooth. I haven't had it but a few weeks but am impressed so far. Researched it on Edmunds and they offered a $750 Visa card to be redeemed after you've made your deal with proof of purchase.
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#2936865 - 03/12/13 07:17 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: barlowc]
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Originally Posted By: barlowc
The Altima is a very nice car and I prefer it over the Accord. However, I say that with a bias. See my signature.

In 2008 I was going back and forth between the Altima Coupe and Accord Coupe. I chose the Altima and have been very happy with my decision. The 2.5-liter QR25DE matched with the CVT is a nice combination. The CVT takes a little getting used to, but you'll then enjoy how smooth it is. Just stay away from the forums where the overwhelming minority talk about its problems because it'll just plant negative thoughts in your head. Nissan wouldn't have extended the CVT warranty to 10 years / 120K miles if they were truly that problematic. It would cost them too much money.


Nissan extended the warranty previously due to excessive failures early on.

That being said a 2008 Altima vs 2008 Accord is not meaningful comparison as both models have been fully redesigned and are not similiar to their previous generation except in nameplate.

Both vehicles IMHO will give 8-10 service easy. I think the Accord will be an easier sell in that time period. The Nissan is not that popular around here but I am seeing a lot of new Accords around.

You are not interested in Accord manual transmission but is my appeal of the car coupled to decent handling. My wife has a narrow list on next cars due to manual transmission requirement.
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#2936874 - 03/12/13 07:23 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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My Ford Five Hundred AWD has the CVT and it works well once you get used to it . You get the feeling at first that the engine and tranny are disconnected but in time you get used to it .
My Ford gives excellent milage with the CVT , while cruising at 100km (60mph) it is only running at 1600 RPM .
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#2936901 - 03/12/13 07:49 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I would probably go with the Altima especially with that price difference but probably would anyway. But I'd consider a Mazda6. I know you said you don't want a domestic, but what would it hurt to look at a Malibu if you ahven;t already? You might find you like it if you value a nice and quiet ride.

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#2936937 - 03/12/13 08:15 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I was looking at the Altima SV Myself It wasn't a bad car I just couldn't get uses to the CVT Transmission So I end up buying a Toyota Camry instead But otherwise if you can get used to the cvt transmission It's a sharp car.
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#2936942 - 03/12/13 08:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Nissan is a bit more proven in the CVT arena than Honda is at this point. Honda's past history with CVTs has been less than stellar, so who knows how these will pan out. Since it is their volume model, I doubt they would screw it up.

However, for the amount of money you would spend on an Accord EX-L I4, I would get a base Camry Hybrid XLE.

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#2936949 - 03/12/13 08:31 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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So...

Not feeling great based on the experiences some are talking about with the CVT...

I may go take another look to see what can be done on the XLE Camry I4 w/Nav. (I'd love the V6, but that may be costly).

Overall, I'm not very happy with the choices out there, compared to the more conventional options available just a few years ago. I'm kind of off put on domestic 4 cyls, which is why I'm leery of GM/Ford's offerings (both of which no longer have V6 options).

The Chrysler 200 keeps popping up as a terrific value (3.6L V6/6spd auto), but EVERYONE tells me to steer clear. Aside from pretty bad blind spots, I didn't find it to be a bad driving car at all. For the savings over everyone else, I can easily afford the extra gas, as well as the Chrysler-backed Maxcare warranty.

Thanks for the input thusfar everyone.
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#2936950 - 03/12/13 08:32 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Speaking to a branch manager at the local Enterprise rent a car he said he has seen a few Nissan tranny failures -to my SHOCK- he said the Chevy Malibu has been of the least troublesome cars they rent period.

I thought it was interesting because he sees the cars in high volumes...Not just one guy barking loud about a single car (AKA, every web forum dedicated to a Model/Brand out there)

FYI Enterprise not rent Honda.


Edited by needsducktape (03/12/13 08:35 PM)
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#2936959 - 03/12/13 08:40 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: JHZR2]
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
base it upon a real test drive, not just around the block.


^^This. Keep it for a weekend.
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#2936960 - 03/12/13 08:42 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Which one has the best stereo?

No, wait that is how you chose your first used clunker while still in high-school.

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Seriously, the CVT scares me with any vehicle. My brother and his wife had a Murano and the CVT went while it was under warranty. They asked how much would it have cost to get it repaired if it was out of warranty. The answer they got back was you really don't want to know. I know the Murano was the bigest vehicle sold to the public with a CVT, and even in the few years since the first Muranos were sold with CVTs there probably have been things learned about CVTs and improvements made. Still they are very costly items.

Many of these cars now days are not something you would want to purchase new and keep for a decade or more. One of my brothers bought a 89 Olds 88 new. He finally gave up on keeping it running and drove it to the bone yard just shy of 200K miles late last year.

While I think of a Accord as being a higher quality car than the last versions of Olds before they shut down, still the last Olds made would have been a better car to keep for two decades compared to a vehicle with high maintenance cost items like a CVT. Heck even if that CVT were to last for 200 K miles, have you looked at the suggested maintenance intervals for fluid (and maybe filter, I don't know about the filter), and the cost to have those maintenance done. CVT fluid alone is very expensive. Something they don't tally up and list with the sale price, probably because it would scare away half the people who would buy it.

I don't know (and maybe even the dealers don't know) if a CVT now days is something you would want to have on a vehicle you plan to drive for many years after the factory warranty has expired.


Edited by JimPghPA (03/12/13 08:52 PM)
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#2936962 - 03/12/13 08:46 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Overall, I'm not very happy with the choices out there,

Is there some reason why you're avoiding Mazda6 that was suggested several times already?
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#2936968 - 03/12/13 08:50 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: smc733
Overall, I'm not very happy with the choices out there,

Is there some reason why you're avoiding Mazda6 that was suggested several times already?


IDK, Mazda has never done it for me, and a lot of people have told me to stay away from Mazda, including some Mazda drivers smirk

However, I'm having fun with the search, so I will see where the nearest Mazda dealer is and give it a spin, it looks pretty nice from what I am seeing online, and I REALLY like the layout of the interior.
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#2936985 - 03/12/13 08:59 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I don't completely understand excluding the current crop of domestics. The all new Fusion and new Malibu are very good looking cars and perhaps Ford left the European DNA intact and didn't dumb it down as much as they did the Mazda6 when they made the first Fusion.
The Malibu has the new 2.5 Ecotec which comes up just one horsepower short of the Sonata/Optima but makes more torque

I just can't get excited about the 200 without a Power Retractable Hardtop.

Also don't know why the Legacy and Mazda6 would be excluded.
They are both niche cars but they do what they do very well. The Mazda is and has been the driver's car for the segment and the Legacy is solid body structure AWD goodness.

I'm not a fan of the 5 cylinder, but the Chattanooga built Passat is getting very good reviews.
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#2936992 - 03/12/13 09:04 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Spazdog]
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I don't completely understand excluding the current crop of domestics. The all new Fusion and new Malibu are very good looking cars and perhaps Ford left the European DNA intact and didn't dumb it down as much as they did the Mazda6 when they made the first Fusion.
The Malibu has the new 2.5 Ecotec which comes up just one horsepower short of the Sonata/Optima but makes more torque

I just can't get excited about the 200 without a Power Retractable Hardtop.

Also don't know why the Legacy and Mazda6 would be excluded.
They are both niche cars but they do what they do very well. The Mazda is and has been the driver's car for the segment and the Legacy is solid body structure AWD goodness.

I'm not a fan of the 5 cylinder, but the Chattanooga built Passat is getting very good reviews.


I really like Subarus, but to get Nav (I know, I am way too fixed on nav) costs a lot in that car, and it is due for a refresh soon.

I am not a fan of the Fusion's style, and I have a hard time trusting GM's reliability, but just for the heck of it, maybe I'll give one a spin. (I'm gonna try the Mazda 6 and Sonata, too).

I am going to steer clear of VW, for all of their reliability problems.

As for the 200, I personally LOVE the car, but I have my doubts about it being a good purchase.
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#2937014 - 03/12/13 09:22 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I have drive an Audi CVT for 240,000 miles and like it. The Honda CVT is probably the best CVT I have ever driven as it eliminates the rubber band effect. Honda has done a good job on that. The Altima is a good car, rentals give me 36 to 38 mpg on the highway but it does not drive as well as the Honda. I would go with the Honda but eliminate some of the fluff, a good Garmin is better then their NAV and is cheaper too.

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#2937024 - 03/12/13 09:30 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Honda. Better resale. Better quality. It's priced $4000 more for a reason.
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#2937029 - 03/12/13 09:34 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: dernp]
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Originally Posted By: dernp
Honda. Better resale. Better quality. It's priced $4000 more for a reason.


Part of me says to just spend the extra $2k and get the V6 accord... But that really is a lot of money.
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#2937054 - 03/12/13 09:57 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: dernp
Honda. Better resale. Better quality. It's priced $4000 more for a reason.


Part of me says to just spend the extra $2k and get the V6 accord... But that really is a lot of money.
just test drive the Camry se you will love it its peppy for a 2.5 and you can get all the option you want on it and with the rebates it comes close to the Honda


Edited by Tboss (03/12/13 10:00 PM)
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#2937067 - 03/12/13 10:08 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
IDK, Mazda has never done it for me, and a lot of people have told me to stay away from Mazda, including some Mazda drivers smirk

I used to own an Accord. After that experience, I would tell you to stay away from Honda. smile
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#2937071 - 03/12/13 10:14 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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++ ^^

....I've owned 2 Altimas and the Camry is superior...don't know if equal to the Accord, but worth the money over the Altima.
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#2937075 - 03/12/13 10:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: KitaCam]
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Originally Posted By: KitaCam
++ ^^

....I've owned 2 Altimas and the Camry is superior...don't know if equal to the Accord, but worth the money over the Altima.


I'll go take a look at the XLE Thursday morning. Last I remember, I could get one nicely equipped w/Nav for around 14k after my trade.
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#2937088 - 03/12/13 10:30 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Tough call. They are my 2 favorite cars in the class.
I think if I wanted an automatic car I would go Nissan, and if I wanted a manual trans I would go Accord.
The Camry is so far out of the running it would never even be considered. It is a weak car.
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#2937095 - 03/12/13 10:39 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: KitaCam
++ ^^

....I've owned 2 Altimas and the Camry is superior...don't know if equal to the Accord, but worth the money over the Altima.


I'll go take a look at the XLE Thursday morning. Last I remember, I could get one nicely equipped w/Nav for around 14k after my trade.


I would get the hybrid version. You'll be much happier with it in the long-haul.

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#2937096 - 03/12/13 10:40 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: SLCraig]
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Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Tough call. They are my 2 favorite cars in the class.
I think if I wanted an automatic car I would go Nissan, and if I wanted a manual trans I would go Accord.
The Camry is so far out of the running it would never even be considered. It is a weak car.
may I ask in what way it's a weak car ????
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#2937124 - 03/12/13 11:19 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: smc733
IDK, Mazda has never done it for me, and a lot of people have told me to stay away from Mazda, including some Mazda drivers smirk

I used to own an Accord. After that experience, I would tell you to stay away from Honda. smile

It you owned a S2000, then it will be a different story. smile2
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#2937208 - 03/13/13 05:53 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: smc733
IDK, Mazda has never done it for me, and a lot of people have told me to stay away from Mazda, including some Mazda drivers smirk

I used to own an Accord. After that experience, I would tell you to stay away from Honda. smile


I hear that from every single car make. However it is a disappointment for sure when one of the best thing you hear is hyped up reliability and it fails. Anticipated reliability justisfies in your mind why you are buying a product overlooking other shortcomings.
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#2937209 - 03/13/13 05:54 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

Overall, I'm not very happy with the choices out there, compared to the more conventional options available just a few years ago. I'm kind of off put on domestic 4 cyls, which is why I'm leery of GM/Ford's offerings (both of which no longer have V6 options).


Nothing wrong with a domestic 4 banger. I'd drive the Fusion. IMHO it looks drop dead goregous, drives really nice and gives you a lot for your $$.

Honda is way overrated and not better quality than Chevy or Ford. That's according to the latest JD Power ratings if you trust them. And I believe even CR has hinted Honda it not that good any more.
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#2937214 - 03/13/13 06:04 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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There's certainly nothing wrong with the Camry. If you like the Camry, buy one. Our opinion doesn't matter; what matters is if YOU like the car. The 2011 I owned had the same 2AR-FE engine and it's a sweet mill. I didn't like the transmission programming *at all* on mine, which is one of the reasons I traded it. I had the base model with the base manual seat which became uncomfortable to me over time. If you are interested in all the reasons why I traded it, feel free to PM me.

I traded it for a Honda that was 3 years its senior, with 35,000 more miles. I'd do the same trade again in a minute. The Toyota didn't "talk" to me. It rode me around just fine, but it didn't speak to me. I felt one with the Honda as soon as I cranked the engine. It's kind of like how they say in real estate, that you'll "know" when you're in the right house for you. You'll "know" when you're in the right car for you.
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#2937221 - 03/13/13 06:32 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: smc733
Overall, I'm not very happy with the choices out there,

Is there some reason why you're avoiding Mazda6 that was suggested several times already?


IDK, Mazda has never done it for me, and a lot of people have told me to stay away from Mazda, including some Mazda drivers smirk


And I bet lots of people told you to go with Toyota Corolla and look how well that worked out for you wink

The truth is that most mainstream non-luxury brands out there will have pretty much the same reliability and cost of ownership, which are excellent. Sure there are some unknowns like the ne CVT in the Accord, but generally speaking the odds are in your favor.

You seem to be your own enemy when it comes to making this decision. You complain about lack of choices when in fact there are tons of excellent choices out there but you have to step out of your own prejudice against brands and test drive the cars.

How can you make an informed decision when all you’re looking at is two car brands? What do you have to lose by test driving some others mentioned already or domestics? Or are you afraid you’re gonna like them more than you thought?

By the way, my perception of Mazda was the same as yours and I was also told to not buy Mazda but go with the obvious Corolla and Civic. I never had a Mazda before and I probably would not have bought it if it wasn’t for Honda and Toyota dealers making me feel as if they were doing me a favor by allowing me to buy a car from them.
My Mazda 3 is 7 years old with over 100k on the clock with only minor issues. I spent a whopping $160 so far for non-maintenance related repairs, $100 of which was actually my fault for running over a pot hole and busting the engine mount.
On top of that the car drives like a dream, with very good handling and road feel that is mostly absent in the segment. I could not be happier with my choice.

So don’t be stuck on two brands or options like Nav. or sun roofs because they do not add to the driving experience and overall feel of the car. An appliance like car will still be an appliance like car whether it has those options or not.
You’re not pressed for time as your current car is OK so take your time and test drive everything in the segment and you may be pleasantly surprised at the amount of options available that you were not aware of.


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#2937232 - 03/13/13 06:57 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: KrisZ]
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ

So don’t be stuck on two brands or options like Nav. or sun roofs because they do not add to the driving experience and overall feel of the car. An appliance like car will still be an appliance like car whether it has those options or not.
You’re not pressed for time as your current car is OK so take your time and test drive everything in the segment and you may be pleasantly surprised at the amount of options available that you were not aware of.


Yes....this...I had gotten rearendtotaled in my Altima and NO TIME to window shop...and Kitacamry was the FIRST car I sat in on my buying tour...I just got lucky...


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#2937247 - 03/13/13 07:18 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Funny thing is I will withhold my judgement on Honda CVT for few years. Using transmission and Honda in single sentence is always dicey proposition :-) (But discard what I am saying and do as I do because I did end up purchasing a Honda automatic :-)

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#2937269 - 03/13/13 08:03 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Tboss]
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Originally Posted By: Tboss
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Tough call. They are my 2 favorite cars in the class.
I think if I wanted an automatic car I would go Nissan, and if I wanted a manual trans I would go Accord.
The Camry is so far out of the running it would never even be considered. It is a weak car.
may I ask in what way it's a weak car ????


Go see them for yourself.
Reviews for it are mixed, while reviews for most of the other cars are generally good, especially the Accord. It's not a secret, I hate modern Toyota cars, they used to build nice cars, now everything is bargain basement interior wise at least.
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#2937290 - 03/13/13 08:29 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Buy whichever one puts a smile on your face. They are all about the same reliability and cost wise, and life is too short to drive something you aren't happy with because everyone tells you it is the safe choice. That safe choice could just as well turn out to be the lemon.

Resale values are based off of MSRP. If you can get a huge discount off of MSRP, you just made a huge dent in resale and a lot of times can be ahead if you're driving a car with average resale that you got a great deal on, vs. paying close to MSRP for a car with excellent resale.

At the end of the day, none of it matters if you are driving a car you don't really like.

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#2937430 - 03/13/13 10:44 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: KrisZ]
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: smc733
Overall, I'm not very happy with the choices out there,

Is there some reason why you're avoiding Mazda6 that was suggested several times already?


IDK, Mazda has never done it for me, and a lot of people have told me to stay away from Mazda, including some Mazda drivers smirk


And I bet lots of people told you to go with Toyota Corolla and look how well that worked out for you wink

The truth is that most mainstream non-luxury brands out there will have pretty much the same reliability and cost of ownership, which are excellent. Sure there are some unknowns like the ne CVT in the Accord, but generally speaking the odds are in your favor.

You seem to be your own enemy when it comes to making this decision. You complain about lack of choices when in fact there are tons of excellent choices out there but you have to step out of your own prejudice against brands and test drive the cars.

How can you make an informed decision when all you’re looking at is two car brands? What do you have to lose by test driving some others mentioned already or domestics? Or are you afraid you’re gonna like them more than you thought?

By the way, my perception of Mazda was the same as yours and I was also told to not buy Mazda but go with the obvious Corolla and Civic. I never had a Mazda before and I probably would not have bought it if it wasn’t for Honda and Toyota dealers making me feel as if they were doing me a favor by allowing me to buy a car from them.
My Mazda 3 is 7 years old with over 100k on the clock with only minor issues. I spent a whopping $160 so far for non-maintenance related repairs, $100 of which was actually my fault for running over a pot hole and busting the engine mount.
On top of that the car drives like a dream, with very good handling and road feel that is mostly absent in the segment. I could not be happier with my choice.

So don’t be stuck on two brands or options like Nav. or sun roofs because they do not add to the driving experience and overall feel of the car. An appliance like car will still be an appliance like car whether it has those options or not.
You’re not pressed for time as your current car is OK so take your time and test drive everything in the segment and you may be pleasantly surprised at the amount of options available that you were not aware of.


Thanks for taking the time to post that, it was super insightful and helpful. I am going to open my eyes a bit, and check out Hyundai, Mazda, Ford and Chevy tomorrow (and I'm telling the dealers up front I do not intend to make a purchase that day, this is purely to see how I feel about their product).

Nav I REALLY want, but I suspect in my 28-30k price range, I can squeeze this in almost any of the cars in this price range.

You make a good point about reliability, sometimes I think the unreliability of domestics is overblown, as is the reliability (and quality - any more plastic, Toyota?) of Japanese brands.

As for the smile on my face, the only car that has REALLY done that was the 200. POWER, a classy/clean look I can't seem to get in this class of car, and features that excited me. It was also the cheapest.

But you guys are all right, since I don't NEED a new car by tomorrow, or next week, or next month, I should have fun with it, test drive each car, get numbers, rate them, then decide.
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#2937431 - 03/13/13 10:47 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I think the Fusion is probably the best looking car in the segment.

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#2937439 - 03/13/13 10:55 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
I think the Fusion is probably the best looking car in the segment.


Not a bad looking car at all! I think it is the Taurus I must have confused for appearance I didn't like.

That car in a dark metallic gray with Black interior would sure be nice, and the center stack looks pretty clean, too. (My biggest complaint against Hyundai).
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#2937478 - 03/13/13 11:36 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Like this?

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#2937482 - 03/13/13 11:37 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
As for the smile on my face, the only car that has REALLY done that was the 200. POWER, a classy/clean look I can't seem to get in this class of car, and features that excited me. It was also the cheapest.


It looks like the decision has been made for you already. The Pentastar is a fantastic and powerful engine, and the new 6-speed tranny is pretty good if you take over some of the shifting duties from the ECU. The trans programming is focused on getting to 6th gear as fast as possible for fuel economy reasons, and it dampens the driving experience quite a bit even in the T&C that I drove for a week. When I shifted myself, it was a fun vehicle to drive even for a minivan.
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#2937499 - 03/13/13 11:58 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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The best way to buy a new Chrysler would be to find a program car or a demo car with 5-10k miles on it. The depreciation on a new Chrysler will likely be quite steep (especially on a 200, which is popular with rental fleets). Use this to your advantage and buy a lightly used one.
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#2937500 - 03/13/13 11:58 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: threeputtpar]
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Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
Originally Posted By: smc733
As for the smile on my face, the only car that has REALLY done that was the 200. POWER, a classy/clean look I can't seem to get in this class of car, and features that excited me. It was also the cheapest.


It looks like the decision has been made for you already. The Pentastar is a fantastic and powerful engine, and the new 6-speed tranny is pretty good if you take over some of the shifting duties from the ECU. The trans programming is focused on getting to 6th gear as fast as possible for fuel economy reasons, and it dampens the driving experience quite a bit even in the T&C that I drove for a week. When I shifted myself, it was a fun vehicle to drive even for a minivan.


I loved the car, but I'm scared to death of what people tell me about Chrysler (poor resale, but the sale is heavily off MSRP to start), and reliability. I suppose if I get the Lifetime Maxcare, I should be ok.
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#2937502 - 03/13/13 12:02 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
I loved the car, but I'm scared to death of what people tell me about Chrysler (poor resale, but the sale is heavily off MSRP to start), and reliability. I suppose if I get the Lifetime Maxcare, I should be ok.


Don't let the internet horror stories steer you away if you like the car. This coming from someone who owned a real lemon of a 2007 Chrysler minivan <raises hand>. The key to happy vehicle ownership is having a good dealer who will support you and your vehicle. Our local Chrysler/Dodge dealers are quite poor and apparently operate on the understanding that this is a military town, and new customers are literally flown in every day. If you have a good Chrysler dealer new you with a good reputation in town, you have a reasonable expectation that they'll take care of you and your 200 if it needs attention.
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#2937524 - 03/13/13 12:30 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: smc733
I loved the car, but I'm scared to death of what people tell me about Chrysler (poor resale, but the sale is heavily off MSRP to start), and reliability. I suppose if I get the Lifetime Maxcare, I should be ok.


Don't let the internet horror stories steer you away if you like the car. This coming from someone who owned a real lemon of a 2007 Chrysler minivan <raises hand>. The key to happy vehicle ownership is having a good dealer who will support you and your vehicle. Our local Chrysler/Dodge dealers are quite poor and apparently operate on the understanding that this is a military town, and new customers are literally flown in every day. If you have a good Chrysler dealer new you with a good reputation in town, you have a reasonable expectation that they'll take care of you and your 200 if it needs attention.


There is a dealer that is kind of out of the way (20 miles, not a huge deal), with a super good reputation.

Whatever I buy, I intend to do dealer-service by the book, for at least the first 3 years, so I could just build a relationship with them.

So for now, I'm starting with a base line of the:

Chrysler 200 Limited
Honda Accord V6 EX-L/Nav
Fusion
Sonata
Mazda6
Malibu?

I'm going to keep away from the CVTs, especially with the problems I'm reading about the new Altima (though most seem to be with the 3.5).
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#2937537 - 03/13/13 12:44 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Some Chrysler products hardly depreciate at all (Challenger). I bought mine used with 6K miles and didn't save that much over new. They gave me a better than new warranty for free, though and I did save about 3K over the best price I could get new. It also gets better than EPA mileage (first Chrysler product I ever had that did that). It gets no less than 23, no more than 29. Not too shabby for basically a fullsize car that has lots of room in the front, runs strong and rides really well.
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#2937546 - 03/13/13 01:01 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
I loved the car, but I'm scared to death of what people tell me about Chrysler (poor resale, but the sale is heavily off MSRP to start), and reliability.

If you're planning to keep it for 10 years, does resale value really matter all that much?
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#2937555 - 03/13/13 01:11 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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A friend of mine just bought the 2013 Accord 4dr Sport with the 6 speed manual gear box. The car is sweeet! The re-design for 2013 is so nice, I hated the previous Accord styling!

That thing rides awesome and the gauge cluster looks fantastic with it's 3 dimensional inlay and cool backlighting!

The legroom is amazing, I fit in the back (6'2" 300lb) without the front seat needing to be moved up.
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#2937557 - 03/13/13 01:12 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: The Critic]
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However, for the amount of money you would spend on an Accord EX-L I4, I would get a base Camry Hybrid XLE.


This.
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#2937561 - 03/13/13 01:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: babyivan]
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Originally Posted By: babyivan
A friend of mine just bought the 2013 Accord 4dr Sport with the 6 speed manual gear box. The car is sweeet! The re-design for 2013 is so nice, I hated the previous Accord styling!

That thing rides awesome and the gauge cluster looks fantastic with it's 3 dimensional inlay and cool backlighting!

The legroom is amazing, I fit in the back (6'2" 300lb) without the front seat needing to be moved up.


If I didn't have so much city driving to do, I would consider it.

As it stands, the 6-Cyl EX-L w/Nav is likely out of budget for me.
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#2937646 - 03/13/13 02:47 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I would be interested in what you think of the new Malibu when you test drive one. Just make sure it's not an Eco model, and maybe if it's in your budget the turbo model with 259hp. I think you have to get them really loaded to get navigation, but they all come with Onstar directions and connections available.

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#2937654 - 03/13/13 02:52 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I would be interested in what you think of the new Malibu when you test drive one. Just make sure it's not an Eco model, and maybe if it's in your budget the turbo model with 259hp. I think you have to get them really loaded to get navigation, but they all come with Onstar directions and connections available.


I'll be sure to post here after I test drive one! I'm excited to try a few different cars tomorrow.
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#2937686 - 03/13/13 03:28 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

I loved the car, but I'm scared to death of what people tell me about Chrysler (poor resale, but the sale is heavily off MSRP to start), and reliability. I suppose if I get the Lifetime Maxcare, I should be ok.


I'd stay away.

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability-press-release.htm

Note where Chrysler is.

Here's another: Note only 1 Chrysler is recommended:
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/201...in-the-usa.html

I'd say they are that bad long term. They never have been that good long term either so it's not like they have had 1 or 2 bad years.
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#2937713 - 03/13/13 03:49 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: SLCraig]
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Originally Posted By: Tboss
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Tough call. They are my 2 favorite cars in the class.
I think if I wanted an automatic car I would go Nissan, and if I wanted a manual trans I would go Accord.
The Camry is so far out of the running it would never even be considered. It is a weak car.
may I ask in what way it's a weak car ????


Go see them for yourself.
Reviews for it are mixed, while reviews for most of the other cars are generally good, especially the Accord. It's not a secret, I hate modern Toyota cars, they used to build nice cars, now everything is bargain basement interior wise at least.
I was just Wondering Because I owned one And it seems like a pretty good car To me!!!
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#2938053 - 03/13/13 09:43 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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V6 Accord is out smirk

$2685/yr to insure...

Tomorrow I've got the following lined up:

Camry XLE
Fusion
Sonata
Mazda 6
ILX
Malibu

We will see... I really like the I4 accord, just that darn CVT is going to keep me from buying it.
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#2938222 - 03/14/13 06:27 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
that darn CVT is going to keep me from buying it.


Why? No disrespect meant to anyone here, but because of a bunch of "internet experts"? Go drive them all (including the Nissan as well) and buy what you like. You have a warranty; don't let fear of the unknown keep you from what might be "the one" for you.

If I were in the market for a sedan, it'd be a new Sport trim with the 2.4L/CVT.
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#2938373 - 03/14/13 09:51 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733


We will see... I really like the I4 accord, just that darn CVT is going to keep me from buying it.


The CVT in the Accord by most accounts shifts similarly to a traditional auto transmission and does not suffer from the "rubber band" effect that plagues many CVT's.

What specifically about the CVT do you dislike?
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#2938806 - 03/14/13 04:22 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: k24a4]
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I went through the same process in 2012; my first choice was the Mazda and the Accord was a close second. However, the Mazda did not have enough head room for me (since I was looking for one with the sunroof). I like the Accord a lot, but I picked the Subaru as it was priced about the same, had a lot of the same tech goodies, has a huge back seat, the gas mileage was fairly comparable, plus it had AWD which is great in the northeast.

You are right to get the Navi in the Subaru is a lot of money…skip it and just use your smartphone or buy a portal GPS for $100. Either option is a lot cheaper and typically better than any built in Navi unit. Also, if you are not comfortable with the CVT you can still get a manual with the Subaru.

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#2938879 - 03/14/13 05:48 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: k24a4]
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Originally Posted By: smc733


We will see... I really like the I4 accord, just that darn CVT is going to keep me from buying it.


The CVT in the Accord by most accounts shifts similarly to a traditional auto transmission and does not suffer from the "rubber band" effect that plagues many CVT's.

What specifically about the CVT do you dislike?


It's not that I don't like the CVT (it drove fine), I am very skeptical about the reliability, especially it being Honda's first year using one.

I test-drove a bunch of cars today, and here's what I found:

Mazda 6: Beautiful looking, nice inside, tons of features. HORRIBLE ride. Felt extremely sluggish, and didn't seem to handle or take bumps nearly as well as I was anticipating, very disappointed.

Sonata: Nice car as well, good looking, tons of amenities, very comfortable, and a fair bit of pickup. Unrefined ride, a lot of engine noise, and sloppy handling

Fusion: Very plain, this car just doesn't thrill me. Kind of slow throttle, and handles like a boat (feels large). Not a bad car, but just not what I'm looking for.

Camry SE/XLE: Liked both cars, XLE was a little numb but still way more stable than my Corolla on the highway, and the SE was nice and tight. The design language just doesn't quite get my heart racing, but it's a decent choice.

I didn't get a chance go get to a Chevy dealer to give the Malibu a try.

Overall, the cars I would buy are now:
Accord
Camry
Altima
Chrysler 200 (though reliability and gas milage will probably kill this one off).

I'm also thinking of giving the new Rav4 a test drive to see if that would be a suitable DD (it may be practical for me too).
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#2938881 - 03/14/13 05:49 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Picky1]
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Originally Posted By: Picky1
I went through the same process in 2012; my first choice was the Mazda and the Accord was a close second. However, the Mazda did not have enough head room for me (since I was looking for one with the sunroof). I like the Accord a lot, but I picked the Subaru as it was priced about the same, had a lot of the same tech goodies, has a huge back seat, the gas mileage was fairly comparable, plus it had AWD which is great in the northeast.

You are right to get the Navi in the Subaru is a lot of money…skip it and just use your smartphone or buy a portal GPS for $100. Either option is a lot cheaper and typically better than any built in Navi unit. Also, if you are not comfortable with the CVT you can still get a manual with the Subaru.


I definitely don't want a manual right now, but everyone tells me the Legacy is due for a revamp, so I don't want to be behind the curve. Aside from that, they're a very tempting vehicle.
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#2939026 - 03/14/13 08:03 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Did you also drive the new Accord? I'm interested to hear your impressions of it compared with the others.

And the 6...it was a new model, right? The 2014?
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#2939032 - 03/14/13 08:10 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Here is my personal experience with Nissan's CVT.

I ultimately make the car decisions for my parents.
When it came time for my mom to get a car 3 Years ago, I was dead set on finding a lightly used Accord.

Went to several dealers ,and eventually found one I was interested in. It ended up being sold when I got there.

There was this 07 2.5 Altima sitting in the corner. I said what the heck I Will drive it. The Altima was just an overall nicer driving car than comparable Accords ,and the 4 cylinder was over 1 sec faster to 60 than comparable 4 cylinder Accords.

For the price point the Altima then ,and still now in my opinion offers a lot for the money. Nice driving experience, Soft dash materials, nice lay out etc.

Bought the car with 50k on it.

It currently has 95k ,and has not had a single issue to date.
Still drives awesome. I have done 2 drain ,and fills on the CVT.

Another friend of mine has a 07 2.5 Altima. Hers has 101k ,and it drives great as well. Has never had her CVT fluid changed. I have been getting on to her about it ,but overall the car has been trouble free.

Another buddy of mine bought his mom a 07 Maxima. It currently has 140k without any CVT Hiccups. We did one CVT drain ,and fill on it at 100k.

These examples are not super high mileage but they all still feel good ,and with BITOG service methods, they should have no trouble being long lasting cars.


Now these are different than the brand new 13 Altimas ,but the 13 should only be better.

Probably can't go wrong with a Accord either, but the Altima is def worth a strong look.
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#2939035 - 03/14/13 08:12 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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OP, did you consider my suggestion for a Camry Hybrid?

The car does not use a true CVT.

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#2939055 - 03/14/13 08:29 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Did you also drive the new Accord? I'm interested to hear your impressions of it compared with the others.

And the 6...it was a new model, right? The 2014?


I did drive the new Accord, the Sport, LX, and EX-L w/Navi models, all 4-cyl. I honestly couldn't even tell there was a CVT, it drove VERY nice, its just the maintenance issue holding me back (and it is the most expensive of all the cars I'm looking at).

The 6 was the new 2014 model (they had aggressive deals on the 2013, but I don't like being behind the curve). It was a very nice car, I was sadly disappointed with the drive.

@Anthony, thanks for the insight into the Nissan CVTs, perhaps I will give the Altima another pass, as it seems to be the best deal of all the cars I've looked at (my Corolla + $11,800 for a fully-loaded 2.5SV).

@The_critic, while that would be awesome, the upfront price with the features I want is just too much.
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#2939057 - 03/14/13 08:32 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Dang you drove everything but the Malibu, even the Sonata and Fusion. If you liked the Camry's ride you should like the Malibu. And if the base model rides too soft for you, there's the sportier turbo model.

I'm kind of surprised the new Mazda6 ride and handling was disappointing. I have some longterm experience driving at the time as new '09 Accord, '08 Altima and '10 Mazda6 all 4cylinder models. The Mazda had the best ride and handling, the Altima next and the Accord last. Maybe the latest generations'13-14 are different?


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#2939062 - 03/14/13 08:35 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

@Anthony, thanks for the insight into the Nissan CVTs, perhaps I will give the Altima another pass, as it seems to be the best deal of all the cars I've looked at (my Corolla + $11,800 for a fully-loaded 2.5SV).

@The_critic, while that would be awesome, the upfront price with the features I want is just too much.


Understood. For Nissans, my limited experience is that they tend to have more wear/tear repairs as they age compared to Hondas and Toyotas. Also, I see 10-15 year old Accords and Camrys every day....very rare for me to see an older Nissan on the road.

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#2939068 - 03/14/13 08:39 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: The Critic]
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[quote=smc733]
very rare for me to see an older Nissan on the road.


Very true, a thought that definitely worries me....

I am probably going to kick the Chrysler 200 to the curb for the gas mileage, leaving it to the Camry, Accord and Altima. I will go check out the Malibu too, to round out the choices.
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#2939075 - 03/14/13 08:44 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: k24a4
Originally Posted By: smc733


We will see... I really like the I4 accord, just that darn CVT is going to keep me from buying it.


The CVT in the Accord by most accounts shifts similarly to a traditional auto transmission and does not suffer from the "rubber band" effect that plagues many CVT's.

What specifically about the CVT do you dislike?


It's not that I don't like the CVT (it drove fine), I am very skeptical about the reliability, especially it being Honda's first year using one.

I test-drove a bunch of cars today, and here's what I found:

Mazda 6: Beautiful looking, nice inside, tons of features. HORRIBLE ride. Felt extremely sluggish, and didn't seem to handle or take bumps nearly as well as I was anticipating, very disappointed.

Sonata: Nice car as well, good looking, tons of amenities, very comfortable, and a fair bit of pickup. Unrefined ride, a lot of engine noise, and sloppy handling

Fusion: Very plain, this car just doesn't thrill me. Kind of slow throttle, and handles like a boat (feels large). Not a bad car, but just not what I'm looking for.

Camry SE/XLE: Liked both cars, XLE was a little numb but still way more stable than my Corolla on the highway, and the SE was nice and tight. The design language just doesn't quite get my heart racing, but it's a decent choice.

I didn't get a chance go get to a Chevy dealer to give the Malibu a try.

Overall, the cars I would buy are now:
Accord
Camry
Altima
Chrysler 200 (though reliability and gas milage will probably kill this one off).

I'm also thinking of giving the new Rav4 a test drive to see if that would be a suitable DD (it may be practical for me too).


I'd toss and 1 and 3-series BMW into the mix too. It sounds like their driving dynamics may be more what you are looking for.
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#2939079 - 03/14/13 08:48 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


I'd toss and 1 and 3-series BMW into the mix too. It sounds like their driving dynamics may be more what you are looking for.


http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp...mp;aff=national


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#2939100 - 03/14/13 09:08 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx

I'm kind of surprised the new Mazda6 ride and handling was disappointing. I have some longterm experience driving at the time as new '09 Accord, '08 Altima and '10 Mazda6 all 4cylinder models. The Mazda had the best ride and handling, the Altima next and the Accord last. Maybe the latest generations'13-14 are different?


All of the above are redesigned and not at all like predecessor except in nameplate. Except maybe Accord except fixes all it shortcomings.
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#2939112 - 03/14/13 09:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: rjundi]
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: mechanicx

I'm kind of surprised the new Mazda6 ride and handling was disappointing. I have some longterm experience driving at the time as new '09 Accord, '08 Altima and '10 Mazda6 all 4cylinder models. The Mazda had the best ride and handling, the Altima next and the Accord last. Maybe the latest generations'13-14 are different?


All of the above are redesigned and not at all like predecessor except in nameplate. Except maybe Accord except fixes all it shortcomings.


The thing is magazines rated the Accord ahead back then too and sometimes the Camry, but driving them I didn't think so then.

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#2939302 - 03/15/13 05:07 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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When it comes down to it, we all simply like different stuff. Most people and magazines rate the new 6 as tops, but the OP didn't like it. Just personal preference.
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#2939333 - 03/15/13 06:21 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
When it comes down to it, we all simply like different stuff. Most people and magazines rate the new 6 as tops, but the OP didn't like it. Just personal preference.


Yup, like I said in another thread, the mags and reviews can praise the new 6 all they want, but this car won't even be on most people's radar. Also, many people, just like OP, simply do not like a firm ride that Mazda provides. BMW can get away with it to a degree because their badge carries much more weight, but even BMW is softening their best selling 3 series to chase more volume.
Let’s face it, majority of drivers hate firm ride, no matter how good or sophisticated it is. They want a nice cushy ride with not much road noise. That is why Camry is such a huge seller, followed by Hyundai since they copied Toyota's formula for success. Heck just look at VW. Their Jetta is hugely dumbed down, cheapened with simple and unsophisticated, but soft ride and just look how well it's selling.
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#2939386 - 03/15/13 07:55 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: Picky1
I went through the same process in 2012; my first choice was the Mazda and the Accord was a close second. However, the Mazda did not have enough head room for me (since I was looking for one with the sunroof). I like the Accord a lot, but I picked the Subaru as it was priced about the same, had a lot of the same tech goodies, has a huge back seat, the gas mileage was fairly comparable, plus it had AWD which is great in the northeast.

You are right to get the Navi in the Subaru is a lot of money…skip it and just use your smartphone or buy a portal GPS for $100. Either option is a lot cheaper and typically better than any built in Navi unit. Also, if you are not comfortable with the CVT you can still get a manual with the Subaru.


I definitely don't want a manual right now, but everyone tells me the Legacy is due for a revamp, so I don't want to be behind the curve. Aside from that, they're a very tempting vehicle.


2013 was the mid-cycle refresh for the Legacy. They made some visual changes (lights, wheels, front bumper, etc.) along with interior changes to the seat material, dash, and rear HVAC. However, the biggest change was an improved CVT, suspension updates, standard 17” wheels, and a new motor!

I doubt based on these changes that anything major is going to happen in 2014; however, I am thinking that in 2015 the car would be due for a big refresh.

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#2939449 - 03/15/13 09:29 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: KrisZ]
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
When it comes down to it, we all simply like different stuff. Most people and magazines rate the new 6 as tops, but the OP didn't like it. Just personal preference.


Yup, like I said in another thread, the mags and reviews can praise the new 6 all they want, but this car won't even be on most people's radar. Also, many people, just like OP, simply do not like a firm ride that Mazda provides. BMW can get away with it to a degree because their badge carries much more weight, but even BMW is softening their best selling 3 series to chase more volume.
Let’s face it, majority of drivers hate firm ride, no matter how good or sophisticated it is. They want a nice cushy ride with not much road noise. That is why Camry is such a huge seller, followed by Hyundai since they copied Toyota's formula for success. Heck just look at VW. Their Jetta is hugely dumbed down, cheapened with simple and unsophisticated, but soft ride and just look how well it's selling.


I like a firm ride (loved my RSX), but I didn't feel the new 6 had all that firm of a ride. But my biggest complaint was that it didn't feel like it had any low-end torque. It felt VERY sluggish.

As for the Legacy, maybe I will go check one out, though the alignment went somewhat well on my Corolla.
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#2939722 - 03/15/13 02:27 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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The Malibu 4cyl should feel peppy. The car is not the lightest of the midsizes, but in return it gives a solid and safe car with a quiet and nice ride. It doesn't have a CVT. And overall has been doing very good with reliability. You might like it. It's hard to say, but worth a look.

http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/c...2_dynamics.html

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#2939735 - 03/15/13 02:36 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Re: the Malibu, I just rode home in my good friend Neil's new 4 door Malibu. It never fails to impress me with its whisper quiet smoothness and its very tight and buttoned down ride.

I've liked it since the day he bought it (6 mos. ago). It's not exciting transport but it is eminently practical!
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#2939988 - 03/15/13 07:21 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

I like a firm ride (loved my RSX), but I didn't feel the new 6 had all that firm of a ride. But my biggest complaint was that it didn't feel like it had any low-end torque. It felt VERY sluggish.

As for the Legacy, maybe I will go check one out, though the alignment went somewhat well on my Corolla.


If you're saying that the 2014 Mazda 6 didn't have any torque, and felt sluggish, then there is something wrong with the car you test drove. I test drove one several weeks back, and it was fantastic.

I drive an RX-8, so I know what a car without any torque in the bottom end feels like. Plus, I also owned a 2007 Altima 2.5 S, so I know what that segment of car should feel like. I was very happy with the way the 6 drove.

Some people just don't like a firmer suspension.
That's why there are Toyota's and Lexus cars out there, to prevent you from feeling anything while driving. Mazda's are not meant for these kind of "drivers".

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#2940086 - 03/15/13 09:26 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

I like a firm ride (loved my RSX), but I didn't feel the new 6 had all that firm of a ride. But my biggest complaint was that it didn't feel like it had any low-end torque. It felt VERY sluggish.


The SkyActiv 2.5 is rated at 189 ft-lb of torque at 3250 rpm

Compare that to the Nissan Altima's QR25 rated at 180 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

Nissan is a little bit lighter. shrug so let's compare it to the Sonata. The GDi Theta is rated at 184 ft lb of torque @ 4,250 rpm. I do not recall the rental Sonata lacking in torque for a 4-cylinder

So let's go top shelf against the Accord: The "Earth Dreams" or whatever they are calling the K24 now is rated at 181 ft-lb at 3,900 rpm.

Contrary to popular opinion, Suzuki is a great engine builder. But the Kizashi is far behind in torque at 170 ft-lb of torque @ 4,000 rpm

How about that all new "Euro Ford" Fusion's 2.5? 175 ft-lb of torque @ 4,500 rpm. Old Mazda MZR built in Chihuahua, Mexico.

The only thing I can think of that beats it is the GenIII Ecotec 2.5 with 190 ft-lb @ 4400 rpm. Higher rpm.

On paper, it certainly looks more than just competitive.

I'm pretty sure if I drive one, my 2005 Mazda6S is getting left at the dealership. Just wish Mazda had made it a 5-door
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#2940107 - 03/15/13 09:43 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Comparing peak torque doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. You need to be comparing torque curves.
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#2940124 - 03/15/13 09:57 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Quattro Pete]
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That's why I included @ rpm numbers

Torque curves seldom spike suddenly.
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#2940164 - 03/15/13 10:36 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Comparing peak torque doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. You need to be comparing torque curves.


+1. That was often a problem with Hondas. They'd make decent peak TQ numbers (and HP) but felt lacking in lowspeed TQ. Then gearing and vehicle weight is additional factors.

A lot of the late model automatics have a lot of speeds but they are programmed to grab the highest workable gear and hold on to it and keep the torque convertor locked. Maybe that was what was happening with the Mazda?

I know automatics a few years ago like on my GM vehicles would unlock the convertor and downshift eagerly, and they have 3.4 or 3.8L V6 lol. Although only 4-speeds and city milage is much lower than their highway.

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#2940448 - 03/16/13 10:18 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Comparing peak torque doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. You need to be comparing torque curves.


+1. That was often a problem with Hondas. They'd make decent peak TQ numbers (and HP) but felt lacking in lowspeed TQ. Then gearing and vehicle weight is additional factors.

A lot of the late model automatics have a lot of speeds but they are programmed to grab the highest workable gear and hold on to it and keep the torque convertor locked. Maybe that was what was happening with the Mazda?

I know automatics a few years ago like on my GM vehicles would unlock the convertor and downshift eagerly, and they have 3.4 or 3.8L V6 lol. Although only 4-speeds and city milage is much lower than their highway.


Perhaps this is it. I am light footed, and by no means to I like to "punch" the accelerator. That said, I like a car that gently and smoothly accelerates, and I did not feel this at all with the Mazda 6.

My Corolla still didn't feel terrific on the highway last night doing 70, so I'm still considering replacing it, but from what I've got so far:

-Altima: Out for CVT
-Accord: Out for CVT on I4, out for cost on V6
-Chrysler 200: Out for reliability/fuel economy frown
-Sonata: Out for lack of refinement
-Fusion: Didn't like
-Mazda 6: Didn't like the ride

Cars that are in:
-Camry I4 XLE/SE (nice ride, boring car)

I still have to go check out a Malibu, perhaps that will be the car that hits the home run and puts it to bed?
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#2940459 - 03/16/13 10:29 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Myself and others believe that the Malibu is a better "Camry" than the Camry is.
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#2940497 - 03/16/13 11:14 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Spazdog]
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It seems like you really like the Accord, which is very understandable.

I guess I understand some trepidation about a new transmission, but it you other wise like the car then cover the transmission with a quality extended power-train warranty, but don't let it keep you from getting the car you want.
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#2940602 - 03/16/13 01:37 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Seems like a reasonable approach to me. Since you don't want a CVT and liked the Camry, it seems the Malibu has a lot of potential with good gas milage and reliability. Even if you do eventually decide on the Camry at least you looked at all the other models available. That's probably a lot more than most car buyers can say.

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#2941039 - 03/16/13 09:05 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Seems like a reasonable approach to me. Since you don't want a CVT and liked the Camry, it seems the Malibu has a lot of potential with good gas milage and reliability. Even if you do eventually decide on the Camry at least you looked at all the other models available. That's probably a lot more than most car buyers can say.


I'm definitely going to take one for a spin this week.

As much as I liked the Accord, it is already a stretch to pay for, so an extended warranty (which will only cover me to 120k), might be a bit too steep.

Since I personally liked the ride of the 200, and I can get lifetime bumper-to-bumpter for about $2k extra, I may give that another pass as well.

I'm thinking a Camry XLE I4 w/Leather and Nav is what I'll end up with, but I'm looking forward to trying out the Chevy.
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#2941131 - 03/16/13 11:15 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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The Camry is a boring, bland vehicle with numb driving characteristics just like the Corolla. If you don't like the way the Corolla drives why would you consider a Camry?

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#2941202 - 03/17/13 01:36 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Well the Malibu has a $2000 rebate plus a 5y/100k mile powertrain warranty. So you might be able to get a higher optioned Malibu 2LT or 3LT for the price of a less optioned Accord or Camry. Although, the Malibu is not priced cheap, but I think at least with the rebate it's more car for the money.

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#2941265 - 03/17/13 07:21 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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If you are considering the Malibu, I would look at expected repair costs and "known issues" that may occur down the road. It is a Chevy after-all.
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#2941333 - 03/17/13 08:54 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Both good points. One thing that attracted me to the 200 is I get SO much more car for the money.

Sadly, as two of the 3 major Japanese players have gone to unreliable, high-cost CVTs, I'm stuck with either bored-to-tears Toyota, or taking a small gamble on a domestic.
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#2941544 - 03/17/13 12:07 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Both good points. One thing that attracted me to the 200 is I get SO much more car for the money.

Sadly, as two of the 3 major Japanese players have gone to unreliable, high-cost CVTs, I'm stuck with either bored-to-tears Toyota, or taking a small gamble on a domestic.


The new Consumer Reports Auto Reliability issue just came out which I read this morning. You may appreciate your Corolla after reading it. I have an 05 Matrix with 205-55-16 tires on it and it tracks very nice at highway speeds. Right now I have Hankook Ventus V2's on the car which also make a nice difference over the oem Conti's that came on it. With rebates I had them installed for $206 from Discount Tire Direct.


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#2941552 - 03/17/13 12:12 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I remember having a few Yaris rentals. The base model had the darty steering but when I had a S model with slightly wider tires the difference was very noticeable. Much more pleasant to drive.

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#2941607 - 03/17/13 01:12 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: satinsilver]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Both good points. One thing that attracted me to the 200 is I get SO much more car for the money.

Sadly, as two of the 3 major Japanese players have gone to unreliable, high-cost CVTs, I'm stuck with either bored-to-tears Toyota, or taking a small gamble on a domestic.


The new Consumer Reports Auto Reliability issue just came out which I read this morning. You may appreciate your Corolla after reading it. I have an 05 Matrix with 205-55-16 tires on it and it tracks very nice at highway speeds. Right now I have Hankook Ventus V2's on the car which also make a nice difference over the oem Conti's that came on it. With rebates I had them installed for $206 from Discount Tire Direct.



While the Camry is a snore-mobile, it would be a comfortable, sensible upgrade, and I would keep that reliability factor. I'd also get the Entune system to give me the built-in nav, as well.

The Corolla is doing a bit better on the highway, no longer a safety risk I'd say, but it still drives pretty poorly.
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#2941895 - 03/17/13 05:04 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I'm primarily debating a 2013 Altima 2.5SV w/Nav and convenience vs Accord I4 EX-L w/Nav.

The Accord will cost me $15,700 after trade, whereas the Altima will only cost me $11,800 after my trade (makes sense, as the sticker is about $4k more for the Accord).

The differences I can see are not that big of a deal:
Accord has Blind spot camera, leather, heated seats, power passenger seat, memory seats over the Altima

Once again I appreciate any insight anyone can give, you all have been tremendously helpful, especially because there is so much I don't quite know.

I'm looking for a car with the niceties, and reliability, as I want a comfortable car I can take care of, and will last me for 8-10 years.


Have you considered a Dodge Dart?
I know they are smaller than the cars you mentioned above, but you can get a fully loaded one for dirt cheap, and they have cash bonus' and dirt cheap financing right now.

http://www.dodge.com/en/incentives/?modelYearCode=CUD201319&app=bmo&sid=1277239&bid=%EBuy!&cid=%ECid!&pid=94643659&adid=%EAid!&channel=display&buytype=IM&TR=2&

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#2941908 - 03/17/13 05:10 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: hypervish]
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If you are considering the Malibu, I would look at expected repair costs and "known issues" that may occur down the road. It is a Chevy after-all.


Like what, like how some other makes had transmission failures and other issues? Totally baseless. The '08-12 Malibu was not issue prone http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2008&make=Chevrolet&model=Malibu. Also there's the 5/100 powertrain warranty.

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#2944322 - 03/19/13 04:26 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Chrysler 200 only gets 21 mpg's combined in CR's testing. This was for the 6cyl but the Dodge Avenger 4 cyl also gets 21 mpg. Ouch! My dad's 2012 camry 4 cyl averages 32 mpg in mixed driving.

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#2944451 - 03/19/13 06:16 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I recently drove a new 2013 small 4 cyl car with a 4 speed automatic and it was just terrible, no torque, downshifted all the time etc then drove the same model with a CVT, night and day, the CVT made it an acceptable car. I also have one (another vehicle) with a CVT, very smooth, I feel there is a lot to be said for them!

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#2944496 - 03/19/13 06:49 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: satinsilver]
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Originally Posted By: satinsilver
Chrysler 200 only gets 21 mpg's combined in CR's testing. This was for the 6cyl but the Dodge Avenger 4 cyl also gets 21 mpg. Ouch! My dad's 2012 camry 4 cyl averages 32 mpg in mixed driving.


This is what really scares me about the car. (Despite the super smooth luxury-like ride) Compared to my Corolla, this would cost me an average of $70/mo more in gas smirk

I test drove an Accord w/CVT today, and it drives perfectly fine, but I am just a little skeptical of the CVT combined with a Direct-Injected engine for reliability. It seems like a LOT of new tech in one car, especially a re-design.

*sigh* it looks like the Camry is going to be the reliable choice. (Still need to go see a Malibu)

AND....

Someone hit my Corolla when parked, so $860 ($500 deductible) later, I may just be hanging on to it.
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#2944578 - 03/19/13 08:02 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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$860? Damage can't be too bad. Know if you're gonna trade up for sure before doing the repair. Not sure how bad they will knock off your trade.
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#2944597 - 03/19/13 08:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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And it seemed like he really wanted the Camry too.

Hey smc, once the shock of this new development settles down, you should definitely go for the new car! Imagine the smooth, quiet ride and new car smell! (the literally intoxicating mixture of halide and vinyl VOC off-gassing)


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#2944600 - 03/19/13 08:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: jigen]
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$860? Damage can't be too bad. Know if you're gonna trade up for sure before doing the repair. Not sure how bad they will knock off your trade.


The dealership I went to to test drive the Accord (I had already been to them a few times), said they wouldn't take anything off the trade.

Honestly, if the 200 got better gas milage than a 22 combined it would be a done deal on that car, but that's a lot of extra $$$ every month.
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#2944603 - 03/19/13 08:20 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: jrustles]
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And it seemed like he really wanted the Camry too.

Hey smc, once the shock of this new development settles down, you should definitely go for the new car! Imagine the smooth, quiet ride and new car smell! (the literally intoxicating mixture of halide and vinyl VOC off-gassing)


I love the 200 and like the Camry. I just really want something that handles better on the highway, and is a bit smoother and more relaxed, but also something that has reliable and proven technology (hence why I want to stay away from CVTs, DI, and Turbo this time around).
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#2944635 - 03/19/13 08:35 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: jrustles
And it seemed like he really wanted the Camry too.

Hey smc, once the shock of this new development settles down, you should definitely go for the new car! Imagine the smooth, quiet ride and new car smell! (the literally intoxicating mixture of halide and vinyl VOC off-gassing)


I love the 200 and like the Camry. I just really want something that handles better on the highway, and is a bit smoother and more relaxed, but also something that has reliable and proven technology (hence why I want to stay away from CVTs, DI, and Turbo this time around).


With the way things are going, the reliability of the 200 and Camry just might be on par... shame about that fuel economy though
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#2944641 - 03/19/13 08:40 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: jrustles]
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With the way things are going, the reliability of the 200 and Camry just might be on par... shame about that fuel economy though


Well you know, I wonder this, to be honest... Toyota's undoubtedly been slipping (the amount of rattles my 1-year old Corolla already has is unacceptable), and the other two Japanese brands are using new and problem-prone tech that is expensive to fix.

Meanwhile, everyone has been talking up the reliability of domestics the last 3-4 years.

Part of me wants to bite the bullet on the gas mileage, I know the 200 is a car that would put a smile on my face when I see it, get in it, and drive it, for a long, long time.
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#2944654 - 03/19/13 08:52 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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The Camry still has WAAAAAY better reliability compared to the Chrysler 200. No contest.

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#2944657 - 03/19/13 08:59 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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How are the interiors in the new camrys? Toyota seems to be pretty behind the competition when it comes to interiors in the new vehicles. And I don't mean soft touch stuff, hard plastics are fine but a lot of stuff I have been in has been pretty rattley.
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#2944661 - 03/19/13 09:05 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: jigen]
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The Camry still has WAAAAAY better reliability compared to the Chrysler 200. No contest.


*predicted reliability. The jury is still out on the new Toyotas, as is it on the 200, which has shown marked improvements over the old Sebring.

Originally Posted By: jigen
How are the interiors in the new camrys? Toyota seems to be pretty behind the competition when it comes to interiors in the new vehicles. And I don't mean soft touch stuff, hard plastics are fine but a lot of stuff I have been in has been pretty rattley.


Based on what I sat in, I wasn't impressed. For one, the moonroof of a Camry I test-drove was rattling non-stop the entire ride. It was definitely closed, but we got it to stop by opening it, and closing it made it come back. We couldn't figure out what it could have been, we even fooled around with the cover, no such luck.

The AC controls are a joke, BEYOND cheap, as is the hideous woodgrain accenting, which has a thick glossy coating that scratches just by looking at it. (There is a metallic trim in the SE model, which is actually nicer). The shift mechanism feels nice, though (that feels ultra-cheap in the 200). Overall, I was not impressed one bit by the interior quality in the Camry.
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#2944671 - 03/19/13 09:14 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I'm starting to think you're never going to look at the Malibu smile.

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#2944677 - 03/19/13 09:15 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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I'm starting to think you're never going to look at the Malibu smile.


Haha, I really will go take a look at one before I buy anything, I honestly love the styling of it. It's plain in just the right amounts (I hate swoopy and curvy), but yet its good looking and elegant (IE everything I look for in a car).

I wouldn't mind one in Black with a beige/tan interior. They can be had with nav for around $26k, too.
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#2944699 - 03/19/13 09:35 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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My friend just picked up a 2013 model. It looks pretty nice. I haven't driven in it yet though.
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#2944700 - 03/19/13 09:36 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: jigen]
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My friend just picked up a 2013 model. It looks pretty nice. I haven't driven in it yet though.


What 2013 car, Camry, Malibu, or 200?
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#2944931 - 03/20/13 06:39 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

Based on what I sat in, I wasn't impressed. For one, the moonroof of a Camry I test-drove was rattling non-stop the entire ride. It was definitely closed, but we got it to stop by opening it, and closing it made it come back. We couldn't figure out what it could have been, we even fooled around with the cover, no such luck.

The AC controls are a joke, BEYOND cheap, as is the hideous woodgrain accenting, which has a thick glossy coating that scratches just by looking at it. (There is a metallic trim in the SE model, which is actually nicer). The shift mechanism feels nice, though (that feels ultra-cheap in the 200). Overall, I was not impressed one bit by the interior quality in the Camry.


Why are you even considering the Camry then? You will spend all your time inside the car and if it rattles from brand new, it will just get worse. That would be a deal killer for me right away.

If you are afraid of new tech, then why not test drive some of the outgoing models, like 2012 Fusion, Accord and Altima? What about Subarus? They still have port injected, non turbo engines and regular automatic transmissions. I'm sure you can still find plenty of them, brand new, sitting on the dealers’ lots.
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#2945232 - 03/20/13 11:00 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: KrisZ]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

Based on what I sat in, I wasn't impressed. For one, the moonroof of a Camry I test-drove was rattling non-stop the entire ride. It was definitely closed, but we got it to stop by opening it, and closing it made it come back. We couldn't figure out what it could have been, we even fooled around with the cover, no such luck.

The AC controls are a joke, BEYOND cheap, as is the hideous woodgrain accenting, which has a thick glossy coating that scratches just by looking at it. (There is a metallic trim in the SE model, which is actually nicer). The shift mechanism feels nice, though (that feels ultra-cheap in the 200). Overall, I was not impressed one bit by the interior quality in the Camry.


Why are you even considering the Camry then? You will spend all your time inside the car and if it rattles from brand new, it will just get worse. That would be a deal killer for me right away.

If you are afraid of new tech, then why not test drive some of the outgoing models, like 2012 Fusion, Accord and Altima? What about Subarus? They still have port injected, non turbo engines and regular automatic transmissions. I'm sure you can still find plenty of them, brand new, sitting on the dealers’ lots.


I don't know, I guess I am riding on the "quality/reliability" that people are still touting for Toyota.

I would hate to go last-generation, I'd feel like I'm buying into something that is behind the curve and worth less. I also thought Subaru used CVTs in the Legacy?
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#2945473 - 03/20/13 01:47 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
I don't know, I guess I am riding on the "quality/reliability" that people are still touting for Toyota.

I would hate to go last-generation, I'd feel like I'm buying into something that is behind the curve and worth less. I also thought Subaru used CVTs in the Legacy?


You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Either choose the car with the features, looks, and drive-ability that you actually want, or buy a boring penalty box of a car that rattles and makes you feel less than.

All the nice cars have newer tech.
All the older cars are boring, rattle, and feel cheap.

The DI on the Honda and the Mazda both aim the fuel spray directly at the intake valves in order to clean them off. So no deposit buildup like the earlier VW/Audi/Porsche/BMW products.

CVT's have been in use by Altima and Subaru for long enough now that Honda has enough information to use to build theirs easily.

I don't see a reason to leave these choices out, other than you like driving a beige penalty box of a car.

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#2945757 - 03/20/13 05:56 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I agree that if you're buying used, THE BODY HAS GOTTA HAVE A SOLID FIT...most all mechanicals can be fixed, looks can be touched up.....but a loose fitting body almost never...too many creaks would drive me crazy...

When I got Kitacamry, the passenger door had an aluminum door quality sound when it was shut...the outer skin had been replaced and whoever did it forgot to glue the sound-absorbing foam pad to the inside...other than that the ride was solid and once the foam was added that nice new-car "thud" returned...

Let your ears be your best judge...and not just for listening to engine quality!
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#2945787 - 03/20/13 06:27 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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I havetah add too, that I think Camry designers should go back to school...

The 05/06 Camry was the epitome of non-descript...boring to some, yes, but its minimalism is intentional invisibility when running down the road....

If being noticed is a praise-worthy virtue here in the US, invisibility is a highly regarded Japanese cultural character trait.

Since 06, all the Camrys stretch to be seen, and I think strain under the pressure to do so, failing in so many ways and from so many angles...

...but that's just me...


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#2945820 - 03/20/13 06:54 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Bladecutter]
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CVT's have been in use by Altima and Subaru for long enough now that Honda has enough information to use to build theirs easily.


Nissan's first CVT was based on the Subaru Justy's.

Honda Civic HXes were equipped with CVTs in '96, long before Nissan brought a CVT to the US
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#2945852 - 03/20/13 07:18 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Spazdog]
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Although I'm still trying to wrap my head around scared of honda DI/CVT but willing to chance a Chrysler 200.

I'm with Bladecutter on this.
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#2945862 - 03/20/13 07:24 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733

I would hate to go last-generation, I'd feel like I'm buying into something that is behind the curve and worth less. I also thought Subaru used CVTs in the Legacy?


Well, you're contradicting yourself. By avoiding DI and CVT you are already putting yourself behind the curve. How is buying something that is with regular auto tranny and port injection, but built in 2013 different than buying something from 2012? The only difference would be sheet metal or extra electronic gizmos, things that in my opinion do not count as progress.
Face it, DI is here to stay and judging by the lack of complaints about GM, Ford and Mazda DI implementation, I would say carbon build-up issues are a either eliminated or significantly reduced. Even VW seems to be generating less and less complaints.
I was also not keen on the first DI offerings, but I think most of the issues are now under control. Maybe fuel dilution is still an issue, but at least that can be dealt with shortening the OCI's. CVT transmissions would be the only thing that I would have to think hard about. Nissan CVT's seem to be trouble free, however they are more expensive to repair, so long term ownership would require religious maintenance schedule for the transmission.
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#2947741 - 03/22/13 12:32 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: KrisZ]
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ

Well, you're contradicting yourself. By avoiding DI and CVT you are already putting yourself behind the curve. How is buying something that is with regular auto tranny and port injection, but built in 2013 different than buying something from 2012? The only difference would be sheet metal or extra electronic gizmos, things that in my opinion do not count as progress.
Face it, DI is here to stay and judging by the lack of complaints about GM, Ford and Mazda DI implementation, I would say carbon build-up issues are a either eliminated or significantly reduced. Even VW seems to be generating less and less complaints.
I was also not keen on the first DI offerings, but I think most of the issues are now under control. Maybe fuel dilution is still an issue, but at least that can be dealt with shortening the OCI's. CVT transmissions would be the only thing that I would have to think hard about. Nissan CVT's seem to be trouble free, however they are more expensive to repair, so long term ownership would require religious maintenance schedule for the transmission.


Not really, I just mean I don't want to buy a last-generation design language, above all else. For example, look at how dated a 2006 Camry is compared to a 2007, that is where I don't want to be stuck.

I don't really see how avoiding technology that isn't widespread is necessarily a bad thing, I'd prefer not to be a Guinea pig for Honda's first DI, and their first CVT (especially given their less than stellar track record with automatics). I'm honestly more apt to accept DI than a CVT, as DI issues rarely result in failing engines at 100k miles, or even less, like some CVTs, and they don't require frequent, expensive fluid changes.

I'm also not sure why a 200 is a gamble, it is still thousands less even with a lifetime Maxcare warranty, direct from Chrysler Group.

Basically:
200 - standard tech but so-so gas mileage/reliability
Camry - Rattling, boring, dated, ugly penalty box
Accord - Risky first-gen DI/CVT
Altima - Tons of complaints about the CVT on the 2.5 for the 2013 model
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#2947787 - 03/22/13 01:25 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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This is not Hondas first CVT.

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#2947788 - 03/22/13 01:26 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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It sounds like the Malibu could potentially solve all the issues lol.

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#2947949 - 03/22/13 04:13 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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Originally Posted By: cchase
This is not Hondas first CVT.


That is true, though the civics with them, IIRC, didn't have a great track record, and this is the first application in this segment.

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
It sounds like the Malibu could potentially solve all the issues lol.


I plan on checking one out tomorrow, actually!
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#2948050 - 03/22/13 05:35 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Originally Posted By: smc733
Not really, I just mean I don't want to buy a last-generation design language, above all else. For example, look at how dated a 2006 Camry is compared to a 2007, that is where I don't want to be stuck.


I am astonished anyone would care.
I purposely bought the 2011 Civic when the 2012 was coming out because it had good incentives. Well that and I liked the generation better than the new one. I think it looks a lot better.

There is nothing wrong with prior generations and I think in Toyota's case they are the ones people should be after anyway, as the new stuff all seems to be weak sauce.
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#2948081 - 03/22/13 06:10 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: SLCraig]
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Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Originally Posted By: smc733
Not really, I just mean I don't want to buy a last-generation design language, above all else. For example, look at how dated a 2006 Camry is compared to a 2007, that is where I don't want to be stuck.


I am astonished anyone would care.
I purposely bought the 2011 Civic when the 2012 was coming out because it had good incentives. Well that and I liked the generation better than the new one. I think it looks a lot better.

There is nothing wrong with prior generations and I think in Toyota's case they are the ones people should be after anyway, as the new stuff all seems to be weak sauce.


I'm not surprised at all because when it comes to looks there are no clear cut winners.
I'm just the opposite of smc733. I actually prefer the 2003-2006 model year Camry over the newer iterations. I know it looks boring and almost invisible even when it debuted, but that's the appeal to me. The looks deliver what the car delivers, boring, reliable, A to B commuter that does not attract any attention. On the other hand, the new Camry's look hints that there is something going on as far as having a character, but it is still just as boring appliance as the outgoing model. That is why I don't like the current Sonata and Optima. They look great and sporty but cannot deliver what the looks are promising.
But this is my preference. I like the sleeper look and rather have a great performing car with ordinary looks than a fast looking car that falls flat on its face when you push it through corners. Other are the opposite.
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#2951450 - 03/25/13 07:38 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Any update available? Did you check the Malibu out or what?

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#2951509 - 03/25/13 08:32 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: mechanicx]
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Check out the Subaru....I drove all of the cars you mentioned in 2012 (Camary, Accord, Mazada, Kia, Hyundia, Suzuki, and Chevy) and picked the Subaru. If you are concerned with the CVT, you can get a manual with the 4 cylinder or a regular auto with the 6 cylinder.

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#2952573 - 03/26/13 08:43 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Picky1]
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Any update available? Did you check the Malibu out or what?


I didn't get a chance to do so the other day, but I plan on it Friday.

Originally Posted By: Picky1
Check out the Subaru....I drove all of the cars you mentioned in 2012 (Camary, Accord, Mazada, Kia, Hyundia, Suzuki, and Chevy) and picked the Subaru. If you are concerned with the CVT, you can get a manual with the 4 cylinder or a regular auto with the 6 cylinder.


Problem with that is gas+extra cost puts the 6cyl out of my price range, and the manual is definitely out for my city driving. I am 100% OK with a CVT as far as how the car drives, I am just really wary about their long term reliability, and the expensive maintenance/replacement costs for them. Otherwise, I'd be driving a 2013 Accord right now.

EDIT: After scrutinizing the 200, the fuel economy is too poor, and the bodywork feels plastic and low-budget even compared to my Corolla, so I think that is out, too.


Edited by smc733 (03/26/13 08:43 PM)
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#2952909 - 03/27/13 08:34 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Traditional auto transmissions aren’t bullet proof….I am on my 2nd trans on my Wife’s Honda Odyssey and this one is starting to feel odd so we might be looking at a third. You might just have to accept the CVT setup as they seem to be the way the majority of the manufactures are going to squeeze out additional fuel milage.

I took some comfort knowing that Subaru was one of the first to utilize CVT’s all the way back in the 80’s with the Justy. That coupled with my experience with my two prior Subaru’s and their build quality and reputation eased me concerns.

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#2952936 - 03/27/13 09:13 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: Bladecutter]
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The DI on the Honda and the Mazda both aim the fuel spray directly at the intake valves in order to clean them off.


Thanks for the information, Bladecutter.

Any chance you could link to this information? I'm not doubting you - I want to learn more about this, especially since I own a Honda with DI.

It was/is my understanding (which I can't link to) that Mazda fights intake valve deposits by maintaining a high intake valve temperature.

I have not been able to find any info on Honda's implementation.

Thanks to you or anyone who can help.
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#2953004 - 03/27/13 10:21 AM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: oily boyd]
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Originally Posted By: oily boyd
Quote:
The DI on the Honda and the Mazda both aim the fuel spray directly at the intake valves in order to clean them off.


Thanks for the information, Bladecutter.

Any chance you could link to this information? I'm not doubting you - I want to learn more about this, especially since I own a Honda with DI.

It was/is my understanding (which I can't link to) that Mazda fights intake valve deposits by maintaining a high intake valve temperature.

I have not been able to find any info on Honda's implementation.

Thanks to you or anyone who can help.



I'm interested in this as well, because if I can put aside the CVT for the Accord, it would be nice to know the DI won't be a problem, either.
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#2953262 - 03/27/13 02:27 PM Re: 2013 Altima vs Accord vs Others [Re: smc733]
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Bladecutter will have to provide a diagram as the idea of DI is to direct the fuel into the squish area and I cannot see how the injector could spray towards a valve.

Does not compute, not at all.
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