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#2714436 - 08/14/12 02:01 PM New Kreen Story
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Another older van in my collection of 3500 Savanas. 2006 3500 model with 6.0 gas engine. Driver told me the idle has been deteriorating and it felt sluggish.

Drove it today and it felt like it was towing a trailer. Logs say this unit has also started using a bit of oil, less than a quart per month, which is a LOT of miles for us.

Before I took off this AM I put 2 cups Kreen in the oil, topped her off with M1 0w-40 and put 2 cups in the gas with 3/4 tank.

Before I even got to the first job she was all smooth and sweet at idle, I can imagine the [censored] being melted out of the motor. I'll report again soon on the oil consumption as I will be watching this one closely.
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#2714445 - 08/14/12 02:10 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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But, but, how could that be? Tests, where are the tests? All we have are your testimonials/anecdotes. Placebo effects, its in your head man. This is a bit of some of the typical replies from the Anti Kreen and Anti MMO guys. I figured I take the first shot. Kinda just kidding.

Nice report! I'm looking forward to your oil consumption report!
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#2714447 - 08/14/12 02:12 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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thanks for the new update on Kreen. it sure does a nice job from what I and others have seen.

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#2714456 - 08/14/12 02:20 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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@Demarpaint: Yeah, that's fine with me. I love the stuff, and if anyone has an older well maintained car they should try some. They may not believe it.

@matrass: This is my 3rd gallon of the product. I have used it on cars and trucks with amazing results. It simply cleans better than anything out there, and without any problems.
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#2714464 - 08/14/12 02:24 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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It didnt help the ticking lifter at cold start on my 91 BMW, but Im sure it is a good add all the same!

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#2714468 - 08/14/12 02:26 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
@Demarpaint: Yeah, that's fine with me. I love the stuff, and if anyone has an older well maintained car they should try some. They may not believe it.

@matrass: This is my 3rd gallon of the product. I have used it on cars and trucks with amazing results. It simply cleans better than anything out there, and without any problems.


I hear ya buddy, I tried it and know it works. Some people think we're shills for certain products when we share positive results from our own personal experiences, that's all. Good thing you had the brains to give that a shot before diving in head first into costly repairs!
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#2714469 - 08/14/12 02:26 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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"It's like a mechanic in a can"!

LOL
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#2714471 - 08/14/12 02:28 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: JHZR2]
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It didnt help the ticking lifter at cold start on my 91 BMW, but Im sure it is a good add all the same!


Exactly. And it should be noted that it is unlikely to resolve all issues. Sounds like you just have a bit of extra clearance, clarence.
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#2714510 - 08/14/12 03:03 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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It made for easier starts and smoothed out (not eliminated) a rough spot between 70-75 mph. No miracles but it did make a difference for me.
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#2714521 - 08/14/12 03:16 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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You can do the same with MMO.
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#2714542 - 08/14/12 03:37 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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pix or it did not happen :ROFL

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#2714571 - 08/14/12 04:07 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: CourierDriver]
Tempest Offline


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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
You can do the same with MMO.

Not in my experience.
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#2714587 - 08/14/12 04:27 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: CourierDriver]
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
You can do the same with MMO.


Yes, but it takes longer.
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#2714608 - 08/14/12 04:55 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
SteveSRT8 Online   content


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And here's where we part.

kreen is dozens of times more active, very fast, and DISSOLVES coke and carbon.

MMO will, but it could take years!

use kreen today, get results today!
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#2714627 - 08/14/12 05:20 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I think most of us know that Kreen works great...

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#2714641 - 08/14/12 05:33 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
And here's where we part.

kreen is dozens of times more active, very fast, and DISSOLVES coke and carbon.

MMO will, but it could take years!

use kreen today, get results today!


No parting needed. Kreen works much faster no doubt about it. As far as products taking years to clean something up, if at all, we both know what that product is, and it costs a lot more than MMO or Kreen. smile
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#2714655 - 08/14/12 05:54 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Kreen strikes again smile
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#2714815 - 08/14/12 08:51 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Why not do your engine a favor and use a cleaner full time, dont wait till its all varnish and carbon. PS, how much is a gallon of Kreen anyway?
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#2715046 - 08/15/12 07:04 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Hey, we use MMO. And have run a fleet for DECADES. Not new to this.

I've tried everything to extend the life of my service vehicles, and I mean everything. Pre-lubers, bypass set ups, etc., nothing ever like kreen. It is unique.

If you haven't used it then what are you talking about? How would you know?

It's a free world, if you don't wanna, you don't have to.
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#2716028 - 08/16/12 04:30 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Hey, we use MMO. And have run a fleet for DECADES. Not new to this.

I've tried everything to extend the life of my service vehicles, and I mean everything. Pre-lubers, bypass set ups, etc., nothing ever like kreen. It is unique.

If you haven't used it then what are you talking about? How would you know?

It's a free world, if you don't wanna, you don't have to.


Right.

They want the truth? They can't handle the truth!
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#2716204 - 08/16/12 09:15 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I wonder if a maintenance dose of an oz of Kreen per quart of oil every OCI, would be good too do?

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#2716276 - 08/16/12 10:33 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Kreen on the net is listed at 13 bucks a quart, so thats not to bad to keep in your engine for 3k or 10k which ever you use, plus say 25 bucks for oilfilter and synth.oil, so 38 dollars every oci is not that expensive really, but to each his own. PS, a gallon of MM0 is 13 bucks at wallys ,just saying.
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#2716352 - 08/16/12 11:31 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: CourierDriver]
Phishin Offline


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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
Kreen on the net is listed at 13 bucks a quart, so thats not to bad to keep in your engine for 3k or 10k which ever you use, plus say 25 bucks for oilfilter and synth.oil, so 38 dollars every oci is not that expensive really, but to each his own. PS, a gallon of MM0 is 13 bucks at wallys ,just saying.


With shipping, it's much higher.

I just got 2 quarts of Kreen. It's listed at $15 a quart on their website. But they have to ship FedEx because of it's shipping hazards.

It as just under $50 to have two quarts shipped to my house in Indiana.
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#2716438 - 08/16/12 01:04 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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For that kind of price, I think I'd pass.
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#2716493 - 08/16/12 02:18 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: bigmike]
Phishin Offline


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Posts: 1460
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: bigmike
For that kind of price, I think I'd pass.


The funny thing is....if I would have known the total bill would have been $50 when I ordered, I probably wouldn't have.

HOWEVER, should see the color of my oil in my Nissan Altima. It's a very clean engine, just had some varnish. But the oil hardly changed much at all over a 4-5k OCI. It's now, the same exact color as the varnish....and thick. I think I should do an OC, but I want that Kreen in there as long as possible before I re-dose.

This stuff appears to be 100% legit. But I'll be posting more valve train pics in the next few weeks.
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#2716521 - 08/16/12 02:51 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Phishin]
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Originally Posted By: Phishin

With shipping, it's much higher.

I just got 2 quarts of Kreen. It's listed at $15 a quart on their website. But they have to ship FedEx because of it's shipping hazards.

It as just under $50 to have two quarts shipped to my house in Indiana.


The shipping is killing the deal.
When I ordered 2 qts over a year ago, it was under $30 IIRC. Shipped by UPS?

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#2716622 - 08/16/12 04:06 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Used it in my Tahoe last oil change, and it cut oil consumption in half. I wish I knew about this stuff when the Tahoe was younger.
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#2716879 - 08/16/12 09:47 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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i called to order kreen today and was told she didn't know how much the shipping would be going to ny. so i passed i don't like ordering something without knowing the final total. all she said was is might be around 20 for shipping plus product cost.
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#2716886 - 08/16/12 09:55 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: macdole99]
Phishin Offline


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Originally Posted By: macdole99
i called to order kreen today and was told she didn't know how much the shipping would be going to ny. so i passed i don't like ordering something without knowing the final total. all she said was is might be around 20 for shipping plus product cost.


Yep. And I think they have to use FedEx.
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#2716960 - 08/17/12 03:15 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Lucky for you guys. They can't ship to Hawaii because they will think it will blow up the plane or something.
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#2717015 - 08/17/12 06:40 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Have you guys ever used kreen with 5W20 oil?
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#2717130 - 08/17/12 09:32 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: wirelessF]
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Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Lucky for you guys. They can't ship to Hawaii because they will think it will blow up the plane or something.


Kreen is not allowed in CA either.
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#2717350 - 08/17/12 01:47 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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They even told me that if I order it in a gallon container, I have to pay the steep hazmat fee, whereas if I order 4 individual quarts, I do not.
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#2717381 - 08/17/12 02:17 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Not worth the trouble.
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#2717435 - 08/17/12 03:19 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Great stuff Steve! As you know i have been using it a long time and still i am amazed sometimes at the results it delivers in a very short time.

In over two and a half years and more cars than i can count ( i have used more than 10 gallons since i started using it) not one lube related engine problem.

Instead of using snake oil at over $25 a small 12oz bottle i urge anyone on the fence to spend the 11 or 12 bucks, get a free can of kroil in the deal and try it.
You wont be disappointed. no clean and rinse phases then repeat till you get old. Just pour it in and drive it, done.
Results will be immediate or within a coupe of hundred miles and you don't need a maintenance dose which dips into you pocket infinitum.
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#2718581 - 08/18/12 08:15 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Great stuff Steve! As you know i have been using it a long time and still i am amazed sometimes at the results it delivers in a very short time.

In over two and a half years and more cars than i can count ( i have used more than 10 gallons since i started using it) not one lube related engine problem.

Instead of using snake oil at over $25 a small 12oz bottle i urge anyone on the fence to spend the 11 or 12 bucks, get a free can of kroil in the deal and try it.
You wont be disappointed. no clean and rinse phases then repeat till you get old. Just pour it in and drive it, done.
Results will be immediate or within a coupe of hundred miles and you don't need a maintenance dose which dips into you pocket infinitum.


Nice report Trav and Steve. I'm a user too. We dosed my brother's Ford 351 powered boat with it just after he bought it, the oil turned a varnish like color within about an hours spirited run. It must have done some fast cleaning in that new to us engine. Right before my winter OCI I'll be dosing my E-150 with it again. Good stuff well worth the money.
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#2719875 - 08/20/12 06:54 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I've put so much MMO through my crankcase in the last 6 months, its crazy. MMO no longer accelerates the darkening of my oil.

Put a point of Kreen in my truck yesterday....drove 100 miles on the highway, my oil looks like liquid asphalt. Holy cow!!

And since my Nissan can only turn it reddish-dark honey after 1500 miles, that engine never was that dirty to begin with.
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#2727718 - 08/28/12 01:28 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Can't wrap my head around it. This Kreen beast sounds extremely more potent than Berryman's B12 CHEMTOOL.....yet, they've remember the dosing directions from the CHEMTOOL cans...

when it DID have dosing instructions, If I recall it was 6 oz. for 4 cylinders....and 8 oz. for v8......

And people are running mini-OCIs with Kreen in the oil....? If I recall, the Berryman's can directed it to be used a flush.....like a half hour before your OCI.....idling in the drive way.....


I'm tempted to just re-visit the Berryman's B-12 CHEMTOOL smile Then again....B-12 doesn't have any "lubricating" properties to it I don't think....hehe. Acetone, Methanol, Xylene, Tulene (sp?), IPA, and some other "stuff" if I recall....

And the Kreen dosing is a lot larger....aren't they? x oz. per QUART of oil....vs. Berryman's old directions of x oz. per cylinder...hehe

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#2727753 - 08/28/12 01:50 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: ahoier]
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It's similar dosing. We add about a pint (half quart) to a crankcase of usually 5 quarts.

My Nissan only holds 3.6 quarts, so I added 10 oz (about a 1/3 quart). Once it burned off, I added an ounce here and another ounce later.

But the dosing has NOTHING to do with solvent. It's like comparing 500mg's of tylenol vs. 500mg of Morphine. The dose has nothing to do with how "strong" it is.

Skip the B12. It's nothing more than Seafoam. Buy some Kreen and watch your engine puke out some nasty black crud.
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#2727768 - 08/28/12 02:00 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I do not want to be misunderstood but didn't you say that after using Kreen, your engine started to burn oil at alarming rate?

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#2727793 - 08/28/12 02:25 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Will someone please explain what this wondrous substance does?
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#2728027 - 08/28/12 06:13 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
I do not want to be misunderstood but didn't you say that after using Kreen, your engine started to burn oil at alarming rate?


The OP mentioned that the vehicle was burning about a half quart by 1,000 miles before kreen treatment, at least if referring to the OP.

Another person on page 2 of the thread claims their oil consumption was cut in half the OCI after use of kreen.
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#2728432 - 08/29/12 05:52 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Jim Allen]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Will someone please explain what this wondrous substance does?


What it does is quickly and completely dissolve coke, carbon, and sludge.

It also cleans the PCV and intake as it flashes off.

Magical in an older carboned up motor!
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#2729293 - 08/29/12 11:59 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I can't see the difference - only really is Kreen appears to have some lube properties.....and no CHEMTOOL is not "just Seafoam"....in fact, I don't think I'd induce acetone/etc through a plastic/rubber PCV line wink If that's what you're referring to....may give the B12 CHEMTOOL a shot......tomorrow morning, at a cold start. I've heard it doesn't do much adding the B12 to a "warm" motor, the solution basically just sizzles and pops......frags away under the heat :P

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#2729442 - 08/30/12 08:32 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Did a little searching and thee isn't much info available on what Kreen actually is made from. I am normally VERY skeptical of additives of any type (as you know most of them are phony-balony) but there are some endorsements here from people whose judgement is generally spot on. But my skepticism remains and the high cost of Kreen makes the Scot in me say, "Hold on there, lad!" when part of me wants to experiment.

I just got an old cast iron Kohler K-series one-lunger running. Tired and neglected, it had sat for many years, some of it outside. It smokes and uses oil, but runs OK. This would be a prime candidate to test the capabilities of Kreen.
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#2729677 - 08/30/12 12:19 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Jim Allen]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Allen

I just got an old cast iron Kohler K-series one-lunger running. Tired and neglected, it had sat for many years, some of it outside. It smokes and uses oil, but runs OK. This would be a prime candidate to test the capabilities of Kreen.


Do it. You won't be disappointed. I seen this stuff do things to my engines that I didn't think was possible.

It dissolves carbon and crud so fast and completely that it really does seem like magic. I'm not [censored]'ing either. I could go 1000 miles in my truck with 20% MMO or any type of solvent and my oil was really clean. 100 miles with 1 pint of Kreen on board.....blacker than black. Runs way better. Oil consumption is WAY down.
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#2730791 - 08/31/12 01:22 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav

In over two and a half years and more cars than i can count ( i have used more than 10 gallons since i started using it) not one lube related engine problem.


Not for nothing but, in over 35 years, without it, I've had no oil related engine failures either.
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#2730896 - 08/31/12 03:52 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trav]
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Or was the kreen only used in sludged up engines?
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#2730901 - 08/31/12 03:59 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: johnachak]
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Originally Posted By: johnachak
Originally Posted By: Trav

In over two and a half years and more cars than i can count ( i have used more than 10 gallons since i started using it) not one lube related engine problem.


Not for nothing but, in over 35 years, without it, I've had no oil related engine failures either.


He services and works on cars for customers of his.
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#2731198 - 08/31/12 09:54 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: demarpaint]
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Aha, ok, gotcha....
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#2731367 - 09/01/12 06:13 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I also fix others cars as a favor since I already have a truck over me most of the time.

Kreen is getting a blanket recommendation from me for any car with high miles. many times the improvement is right now and before your eyes magical.

And it does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.
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#2731382 - 09/01/12 06:55 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I also fix others cars as a favor since I already have a truck over me most of the time.

Kreen is getting a blanket recommendation from me for any car with high miles. many times the improvement is right now and before your eyes magical.

And it does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.


But Steve you're a nameless faceless person, I say B_S, I need data. LOLOLOLOL Nice report, and a "blanket recommendation" from a well respected member, I'd try it. Oh wait I already did, it works, and that's another recommendation from a nameless faceless person on the Internet!
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#2731433 - 09/01/12 07:59 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Yes, it is a thrill to hear so many make light of it. I've never seen or heard of it in over 40 years of driving and fleet ownership!

It's not well known. Fine by me. But you have to try it and see for yourself.
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#2733565 - 09/03/12 02:01 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.
Well....I put a pint into the crankcase of a V6 VW with 50,000 miles that burns a lot of oil. It thinned the 5W-40 enough to set off the low oil pressure buzzer and the "stop right now" alarm message. Actually, no engine harm has shown up, and no benefit, either. Some of these VWs do burn way too much oil, and the Kreen did no apparent help.
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#2733677 - 09/03/12 04:57 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Wow, only 1 pint caused that! Must be a sensitive sensor, strange.
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#2733717 - 09/03/12 05:42 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Ken2]
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Originally Posted By: Ken2
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Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.
Well....I put a pint into the crankcase of a V6 VW with 50,000 miles that burns a lot of oil. It thinned the 5W-40 enough to set off the low oil pressure buzzer and the "stop right now" alarm message. Actually, no engine harm has shown up, and no benefit, either. Some of these VWs do burn way too much oil, and the Kreen did no apparent help.


Maybe it loosened up enough crud to temporarily block the pick up screen in the pan.
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#2734046 - 09/04/12 02:43 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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^That sounds more likely.
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#2739933 - 09/10/12 05:44 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I've considered both possibilities, sensitive oil pressure sensor and crud on the oil pick up, but my main point is that there was no apparent benefit from the Kreen treatment. I don't know what causes the high rate of oil consumption in this engine, but it isn't worth more money to me than to keep good oil in the engine. I'm not going to tear the engine down to save a few quarts of oil.
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#2739942 - 09/10/12 05:59 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Ken2]
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Originally Posted By: Ken2
Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.
Well....I put a pint into the crankcase of a V6 VW with 50,000 miles that burns a lot of oil. It thinned the 5W-40 enough to set off the low oil pressure buzzer and the "stop right now" alarm message. Actually, no engine harm has shown up, and no benefit, either. Some of these VWs do burn way too much oil, and the Kreen did no apparent help.


Notice the kreen pushers are not flooding this thread http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2739283#Post2739283

Near magical results w/o harm? Suuuuuure.


Edited by Trajan (09/10/12 06:00 PM)
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#2740031 - 09/10/12 07:42 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I don't doubt Kreen works, lots of products do.

But for the cost/hassle of getting it, I'll pass.
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#2740107 - 09/10/12 08:56 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Ken2
Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.
Well....I put a pint into the crankcase of a V6 VW with 50,000 miles that burns a lot of oil. It thinned the 5W-40 enough to set off the low oil pressure buzzer and the "stop right now" alarm message. Actually, no engine harm has shown up, and no benefit, either. Some of these VWs do burn way too much oil, and the Kreen did no apparent help.


Notice the kreen pushers are not flooding this thread http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2739283#Post2739283

Near magical results w/o harm? Suuuuuure.


Why would they? Common sense dictates that engine needs more than Kreen. It need to be torn down first and cleaned, that was suggested. Read the comments there.

A year or so ago A-Rx would have been suggested. LOL
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#2740422 - 09/11/12 08:03 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: addyguy]
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
I don't doubt Kreen works, lots of products do.

But for the cost/hassle of getting it, I'll pass.


Don't forget the ensuing hilarity when you dare question it.
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#2740544 - 09/11/12 10:14 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Ken2
Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.
Well....I put a pint into the crankcase of a V6 VW with 50,000 miles that burns a lot of oil. It thinned the 5W-40 enough to set off the low oil pressure buzzer and the "stop right now" alarm message. Actually, no engine harm has shown up, and no benefit, either. Some of these VWs do burn way too much oil, and the Kreen did no apparent help.


Notice the kreen pushers are not flooding this thread http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2739283#Post2739283

Near magical results w/o harm? Suuuuuure.


Why would they? Common sense dictates that engine needs more than Kreen. It need to be torn down first and cleaned, that was suggested. Read the comments there.

A year or so ago A-Rx would have been suggested. LOL


Completely RIDICULOUS to imagine any product anywhere could clean that engine!

IMO the "Kreen Boosters" are well balanced here by the naysayers. Bravo for continued debate. But it is interesting how selective the comments have become. Nothing meaningful at all, just sniping.
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#2740679 - 09/11/12 11:56 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
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IMO the "Kreen Boosters" are well balanced here by the naysayers. Bravo for continued debate. But it is interesting how selective the comments have become. Nothing meaningful at all, just sniping.


Well said!

I'm frankly very skeptical of Kreen or any similar product. When it's expensive, I'm more hesitant to just try it. So, real debate is educational for me if I hear both sides of an argument with facts and at least reasonable conjecture/theories presented. Sadly, on just about any topic you care to name, we see a lot of opinion, with little or no supporting evidence, and a hostile attitude when challenged. Aka sniping. But, there are still plenty of gems... you just have to dig a little more... and the stuff you dig through has a little bovine tang to it. ( : < )
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#2740688 - 09/11/12 12:02 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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^^^haha, Jim! That little 'tang' is what makes the search worthwhile!
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#2740708 - 09/11/12 12:17 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Jim Allen]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Allen

Sadly, on just about any topic you care to name, we see a lot of opinion, with little or no supporting evidence, and a hostile attitude when challenged.


That's because the "boosters" aka shills expect that you should take their word for it.

Prime example of hostile reactions when you dare question "testimonials" http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/626103953


Edited by Trajan (09/11/12 12:17 PM)
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#2740723 - 09/11/12 12:27 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


Completely RIDICULOUS to imagine any product anywhere could clean that engine!

IMO the "Kreen Boosters" are well balanced here by the naysayers. Bravo for continued debate. But it is interesting how selective the comments have become. Nothing meaningful at all, just sniping.


LOL
Yep! If you noticed a few of us suggested manually cleaning that beast up. Then like clockwork out came the snipers, so I decided I'd take a shot of my own! LOL

That engine is beyond a pour it in and drive cleaner, even Kreen.
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#2740882 - 09/11/12 02:56 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


Completely RIDICULOUS to imagine any product anywhere could clean that engine!

IMO the "Kreen Boosters" are well balanced here by the naysayers. Bravo for continued debate. But it is interesting how selective the comments have become. Nothing meaningful at all, just sniping.


LOL
Yep! If you noticed a few of us suggested manually cleaning that beast up. Then like clockwork out came the snipers, so I decided I'd take a shot of my own! LOL

That engine is beyond a pour it in and drive cleaner, even Kreen.



That engine is beyond hot, harsh, solvent in a 5000 psi pressure washer!! crzy
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#2740938 - 09/11/12 03:55 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Ken2]
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Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.


So that's a claim that can't be backed up then.
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#2740979 - 09/11/12 04:41 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Hey SteveSRT8, there's a Sniper in the hills! crackmeup


Edited by demarpaint (09/11/12 04:42 PM)
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#2741034 - 09/11/12 05:54 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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IMO...let the snipers snipe....lol. I used Kreen and it really cleaned up my well maintained T4R. I change my oil frequently and thought my engine was clean until I used some Kreen. First treatment was 18 ounces in the sump and 14 ounces in the gas. I was running 4 quarts of PYB 10w-30 and 2 quarts of Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 with about 3K on the oil in winter.

I made a 1.200 high speed RT drive to South Carolina from Coney Island, with limited stop and go traffic before highway driving.

The engine ran smooth and quiet and high speed driving was my first run with Kreen.

When I returned from South Carolina I changed out the oil and Kreen. It was black as soot, and flew out of the hot oil pan fast. After looking in the oil catch pan....you would not know that it was used motor oil and Kreen....the color was so bad. There was still a distinct aroma of Kreen in the waste oil. The Bosch D+, oversized oil filter was very heavy with lots of "Jelly like" oil. I shook the contents of the filter into the used oil receptacle and it reminded me of Black Jello.

My second run with Kreen was a follow up to the first run. This time I used 6 quarts of store brand, High Quality, VOI analysed, synthetic oil in 5w-30 grade. I used another Bosch D+, oversized oil filter. Then at 3K miles of normal driving, I added 16 ounces to both the fuel and sump.

This time my driving pattern was short trips, stop and go traffic and a mix of some highway driving trips to NJ and LI.

I keep the Kreen and oil in the sump for 1,300 miles and changed it out. The oil was almost as clean as when I first put it in the sump at he beginning of the OCI. As it poured out in a fury from the oil pan....I could see right through the oil and Kreen. It was like looking through light tan sunglasses with no visible particles of waste. The filter, when I looked at it after removal, was still clean and had the strong smell of Kreen.

So...Let the snipers snipe.....all I know is that it cleaned up my engine and fuel system and my vehicle still runs great with no leaks or oil consumption.

All I can say is....I thought my engine was clean with my controlled maintenance of OCI and fluid changes. Kreen found the carbon, soot, dirt and varnish and cleaned up my "Clean" engine and fuel system.
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#2741046 - 09/11/12 06:14 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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^^ Nice report Mongo^^ the Snipers don't like to hear "Nice Report" they think we're shills, or worse, paid posters. Remember we're also nameless, faceless people on the Internet and have nothing better to do than push Kreen, or other products on the market for decades that work.

I might be testing Kreen again, hopefully next week when I junk my Aerostar and get a semi beater with known history to replace it.
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#2741773 - 09/12/12 01:47 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan

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Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.


So that's a claim that can't be backed up then.


Please expound on your assertion.
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#2741818 - 09/12/12 02:32 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: JGW]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan

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Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.


So that's a claim that can't be backed up then.


Please expound on your assertion.


Are you saying it can be backed up? Please do so.
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#2741926 - 09/12/12 04:23 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: JGW
Originally Posted By: Trajan

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Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.


So that's a claim that can't be backed up then.


Please expound on your assertion.


Are you saying it can be backed up? Please do so.


Care to prove it doesn't work?
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#2741992 - 09/12/12 06:04 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan

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Quote:
Kreen does no harm. That's the key here. Near magical results with no harm.


So that's a claim that can't be backed up then.


C'mon, man. Nobody here is taking this seriously.

Are you?
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#2742242 - 09/13/12 12:30 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.

Too many people like to take shots at people who are just trying to help another poster make an informed purchase.

All I know is Kreen worked for me, when I thought I had a clean engine, and know the results. I'm grateful to have found about Kreen from BITOG. Otherwise, I'd never know that it existed.

The only other additives that I have used in my oil, in the past, have been MMO and Tuff oil additive. Both worked fine for their intended purposes.

I still, occasionally, pour about 1/2 pint of MMO to my oil about 500 miles before my OCI.

IMO....it helps thin out the oil after a long hot summer run with Dino or Synthetic oil.

I know nothing about auto RX, B12, sea foam or any of the other products mentioned on the board.

I was hesitant about trying Kreen until I had spectacular results with Kroil. Kroil and Kreen are both great products that I will buy and recommend to friends and family.

Most people are blessed to live in a "Free World", to make their own decisions.
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#2742290 - 09/13/12 05:12 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: mongo161]
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Originally Posted By: mongo161
Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.

Too many people like to take shots at people who are just trying to help another poster make an informed purchase.

All I know is Kreen worked for me, when I thought I had a clean engine, and know the results. I'm grateful to have found about Kreen from BITOG. Otherwise, I'd never know that it existed.

The only other additives that I have used in my oil, in the past, have been MMO and Tuff oil additive. Both worked fine for their intended purposes.

I still, occasionally, pour about 1/2 pint of MMO to my oil about 500 miles before my OCI.

IMO....it helps thin out the oil after a long hot summer run with Dino or Synthetic oil.

I know nothing about auto RX, B12, sea foam or any of the other products mentioned on the board.

I was hesitant about trying Kreen until I had spectacular results with Kroil. Kroil and Kreen are both great products that I will buy and recommend to friends and family.

Most people are blessed to live in a "Free World", to make their own decisions.


Bravo to you for trying it.

I was ready to pull the engine in my 400k mile Savana. A dose of Kreen literally silenced it in minutes. It runs nearly new now, and I am so grateful to BITOG for bringing Kreen to my attention as well.
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#2742300 - 09/13/12 05:36 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: mongo161
Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.

Too many people like to take shots at people who are just trying to help another poster make an informed purchase.

All I know is Kreen worked for me, when I thought I had a clean engine, and know the results. I'm grateful to have found about Kreen from BITOG. Otherwise, I'd never know that it existed.

The only other additives that I have used in my oil, in the past, have been MMO and Tuff oil additive. Both worked fine for their intended purposes.

I still, occasionally, pour about 1/2 pint of MMO to my oil about 500 miles before my OCI.

IMO....it helps thin out the oil after a long hot summer run with Dino or Synthetic oil.

I know nothing about auto RX, B12, sea foam or any of the other products mentioned on the board.

I was hesitant about trying Kreen until I had spectacular results with Kroil. Kroil and Kreen are both great products that I will buy and recommend to friends and family.

Most people are blessed to live in a "Free World", to make their own decisions.


Bravo to you for trying it.

I was ready to pull the engine in my 400k mile Savana. A dose of Kreen literally silenced it in minutes. It runs nearly new now, and I am so grateful to BITOG for bringing Kreen to my attention as well.


Lots of happy Kreen users thanks to Trav for his reports on it. It was a real sleeper that works extremely well.
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#2742512 - 09/13/12 10:11 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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^^^And I'm pretty sure that Trav never got ahold of any esoteric testing done in multiple double blind studies by major laboratories before he tried it.
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#2742871 - 09/13/12 05:52 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^And I'm pretty sure that Trav never got ahold of any esoteric testing done in multiple double blind studies by major laboratories before he tried it.


Nope, just close to 4 decades in the auto repair industry, and the brains to know when a product works, and when a product doesn't work.


Edited by demarpaint (09/13/12 05:52 PM)
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#2743686 - 09/14/12 01:18 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: Ken2]
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Originally Posted By: Ken2
Well....I put a pint into the crankcase of a V6 VW with 50,000 miles that burns a lot of oil. ... Some of these VWs do burn way too much oil, and the Kreen did no apparent help.

I looked into the VW oil-burning issue in the past and it looks like there was a piston-ring assembly error at some point with some of the engines. If I recall, it was either the wrong rings used, or it was the top (two?) rings were installed upside-down. VW was doing some warranty work on this but it was not easy to get.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1719309

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#2744115 - 09/14/12 09:56 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: mongo161]
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Originally Posted By: mongo161
Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.

Since it is hard to get Kreen shipped to California, even if I like to try it I have no chance, so I never post any comment about Kreen, positive or negative. I like to use some cleaning additive, other than Kreen, in my '94 LS400 with almost 300k miles.

The car had dino and syn oil with OCI of 6-7k/6mo for dino and double that for syn. The engine has original valve cover gaskets without any leak so I don't intend to remove it to take a look, but looking through the file hole I saw a medium/heavy vanish on the engine.

I intend to use Lubegard engine flush(the only one I have in my stash) with reduce dosage. The recommend is a 15oz bottle and idle engine for 10-15 minutes, I'm thinking of trying 1 oz(may be 2 oz) in 5 quarts sump and drive for several hundreds miles then change oil.

What do you think ?

Or should I order some Kreen and have it shipped to my brother in Arizona, then he ships it to my home ?
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#2744192 - 09/14/12 11:28 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I think it is smart to follow the producers instructions.

Using 1 oz for a couple of hundred miles, isn't exactly that.

I have used Lubeguards engine flush and other LG products, and I like them.

I have never used Kreen, but from what I have read about it, I would have tried it, to see what it can do.

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#2744204 - 09/14/12 11:55 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Perhaps try the LG product at idle and see if the drain oil comes up with any extra particulates while pouring it up(if you use a pan you clean out after, if it was clean prior etc).

However, after being around this for a bit and seeing the Kreen's, Sea Foams, and MMOs of the world I don't think 2 ounces for 100-200 miles is a bad idea. In fact, I doubt a few hundred would do any harm and 'may' yield more cleansing vs idle. Mostly, the companies cover themselves by not recommending it to be used while driving in regards to idle flushes. However, that is probably 'most' in regards to the potential for grime loosened not drained with the oil to clog the pickup, etc. Not so much nuke your engine with wear issues during said treatment.
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#2744223 - 09/15/12 01:54 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: mongo161
Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.


All the shills have to do is "PROVE" it works. Until then its nothing more than anonymous claims backed by nothing of substance.

Hold it to the same standard that say, ARX is held.
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#2744251 - 09/15/12 05:35 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: mongo161
Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.

Since it is hard to get Kreen shipped to California, even if I like to try it I have no chance, so I never post any comment about Kreen, positive or negative. I like to use some cleaning additive, other than Kreen, in my '94 LS400 with almost 300k miles.

The car had dino and syn oil with OCI of 6-7k/6mo for dino and double that for syn. The engine has original valve cover gaskets without any leak so I don't intend to remove it to take a look, but looking through the file hole I saw a medium/heavy vanish on the engine.

I intend to use Lubegard engine flush(the only one I have in my stash) with reduce dosage. The recommend is a 15oz bottle and idle engine for 10-15 minutes, I'm thinking of trying 1 oz(may be 2 oz) in 5 quarts sump and drive for several hundreds miles then change oil.

What do you think ?

Or should I order some Kreen and have it shipped to my brother in Arizona, then he ships it to my home ?



IMO Kreen is for very high mileage badly carboned, coked, sludged, etc.

If you know the car's service history then you know whether or not she's coked up. I'd use the LG exactly as the instructions state, it's an excellent product.
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#2744271 - 09/15/12 06:36 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: mongo161
Let the snipers....snipe away. All they have to do is try the product and "SEE" the results.

Since it is hard to get Kreen shipped to California, even if I like to try it I have no chance, so I never post any comment about Kreen, positive or negative. I like to use some cleaning additive, other than Kreen, in my '94 LS400 with almost 300k miles.

The car had dino and syn oil with OCI of 6-7k/6mo for dino and double that for syn. The engine has original valve cover gaskets without any leak so I don't intend to remove it to take a look, but looking through the file hole I saw a medium/heavy vanish on the engine.

I intend to use Lubegard engine flush(the only one I have in my stash) with reduce dosage. The recommend is a 15oz bottle and idle engine for 10-15 minutes, I'm thinking of trying 1 oz(may be 2 oz) in 5 quarts sump and drive for several hundreds miles then change oil.

What do you think ?

Or should I order some Kreen and have it shipped to my brother in Arizona, then he ships it to my home ?


I'm not sure how the LG product would work, although I never used that product. If used as directed it should work. If you can get Kreen via your brother that's the route I'd take.

Too bad you can't post pictures and shut the Snipers up once and for all. But I realize pulling a VC off a leak free engine to prove a few doubting Thomas's up would be stupid, I sure as [censored] wouldn't do it! It's a real shame some of these guys don't want to accept the fact that Kreen works, because several avid car enthusiasts, and some well skilled mechanic members here said so, and w/o compensation. But when the Sniper/Snipers are posed with simple questions they can't answer them, nor can they prove Kreen doesn't work.

As far as holding Kreen or MMO to the same standards as A-Rx, that's real funny. I'll do that when Kreen and MMO uses paid posters and shills from the company to push their products. LOL
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#2744818 - 09/15/12 05:51 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I bought the LS400 new 18+ year ago so I know the maintenance/service history. I forgot to change oil once (Mobil 1) 7-8 years ago, until it passed the schedule by 6 months.

The engine is reasonable quiet and perform well for 18 year old and 300k miles. I think it has medium vanish under the valve cover. If it can be cleaned than it's better, but as it is now it doesn't effect the performance much at all.

I like gentle cleaning while using the car normally, I think with reduce dosage of 94-95%, Lubegard engine flush should be as effective as Kreen for staying in the engine for 200-300 miles.
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#2744885 - 09/15/12 06:38 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I bought the LS400 new 18+ year ago so I know the maintenance/service history. I forgot to change oil once (Mobil 1) 7-8 years ago, until it passed the schedule by 6 months.

The engine is reasonable quiet and perform well for 18 year old and 300k miles. I think it has medium vanish under the valve cover. If it can be cleaned than it's better, but as it is now it doesn't effect the performance much at all.

I like gentle cleaning while using the car normally, I think with reduce dosage of 94-95%, Lubegard engine flush should be as effective as Kreen for staying in the engine for 200-300 miles.


Give it a shot and see, I had good experiences with LG products. I have no doubts their flush works well too. Here's an idea, call or email them and tell them what you plan on doing, maybe they can shed some light or point you in the right direction. I spoke with them once or twice and found them to be very helpful.
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#2758482 - 09/29/12 10:33 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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If LubeGuard engine flush is anything like LubeGuard Red for the transmission...... I'd go with it....LubeGuard Red AT additive is also the real deal.
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#2767148 - 10/08/12 11:27 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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#2767364 - 10/09/12 08:44 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: JGW]
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Thanks for that link. Thanks to BITOG more and more car people are finding the benefits of this great product.
The product is now finding its way into all sorts of owners groups including diesels.
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#2767510 - 10/09/12 11:51 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I have a question. I live in the USA, Mississippi to be closer. Where does one buy Kreen from that is a GOOD deal? I used to work for a computer place and we used the aerosol can and it was great stuff. Thing is, it is hard to find. I wish I could get it at Auto Zone or some other parts place tho. I currently use Marvel Mystery Oil since it is about everywhere. I'm disabled so saving bucks helps a lot. wink

Ideas?

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#2767550 - 10/09/12 12:32 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: rdalek]
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Originally Posted By: rdalek
I have a question. I live in the USA, Mississippi to be closer. Where does one buy Kreen from that is a GOOD deal? I used to work for a computer place and we used the aerosol can and it was great stuff. Thing is, it is hard to find. I wish I could get it at Auto Zone or some other parts place tho. I currently use Marvel Mystery Oil since it is about everywhere. I'm disabled so saving bucks helps a lot. wink

Ideas?

grin grin


The only way to get Kreen is direct from Kano Labs AFAIK. If you don't have any major sludge issues and don't mind a product that works well, that just takes a little longer, then stick with MMO. It's cheaper and easier to get too.
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#2767630 - 10/09/12 01:45 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint

The only way to get Kreen is direct from Kano Labs AFAIK. If you don't have any major sludge issues and don't mind a product that works well, that just takes a little longer, then stick with MMO. It's cheaper and easier to get too.


I been using MMO for ages, I also use Morey's oil stab. too. I mostly use MMO in my gas but do add a bit to the oil a couple hundred miles before oil change. The inside of my engine, what I can see through the oil fill hole, looks pretty clean. I'm going to go take a couple pics and post for you guys to look at. I was just wanting to see if Kreen would get it even cleaner inside.

Back shortly. You been warned. laugh

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#2767638 - 10/09/12 01:52 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: rdalek]
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Originally Posted By: rdalek
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

The only way to get Kreen is direct from Kano Labs AFAIK. If you don't have any major sludge issues and don't mind a product that works well, that just takes a little longer, then stick with MMO. It's cheaper and easier to get too.


I been using MMO for ages, I also use Morey's oil stab. too. I mostly use MMO in my gas but do add a bit to the oil a couple hundred miles before oil change. The inside of my engine, what I can see through the oil fill hole, looks pretty clean. I'm going to go take a couple pics and post for you guys to look at. I was just wanting to see if Kreen would get it even cleaner inside.

Back shortly. You been warned. laugh

grin


If you let the MMO run in the oil a little longer than a couple hundred miles it will do even more cleaning. That's if there's anything in need of cleaning. I have Kreen in the sump of my 00 Century for about 350 miles and it did a little cleaning, nothing worth updating my Kreen test thread with yet. These are not fast cleaners and do need some time to work.
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#2767759 - 10/09/12 03:50 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Here is a link to what the oil fill hole looks like:



I do on occasion put about 2 cups of MMO in the oil, just not all the time. When I do want to give it a cleaning, I add it when changing oil. So, sometimes it runs for the regular OCI with MMO in it. I usually do that in the winter to help thin out the Morey's which is pretty thick, especially when cold.

The oil you see is likely the Moreys. I haven't been anywhere in a couple days. Moreys sticks to everything.

This is a 1994 Mazda Protege DOHC engine with about 192,000 miles. It is about to get a new exhaust system but other than that, it runs pretty darn good, just a bit loud right now. I cleaned the throttle body the other day and that put a little pep in its step. laugh It was nasty. It also got a new pcv valve too. It was not valving like it should.

Thoughts on the color and such?

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#2767831 - 10/09/12 05:08 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Looks very clean for almost 200k miles.
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#2767849 - 10/09/12 05:30 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Not bad, just some varnish. I'd stick to what you've been doing, or if you like run the MMO for a full winter OCI.
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#2767871 - 10/09/12 05:58 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I been tempted to take the cover off and see what it looks like. I bought this car brand new. I ran it for years on regular 10W30 Castrol. After synthetic went mainstream and prices settled, I switched to it. I used to use Fram filters but switched to Purolator a year or two back. The Purolator filters made a good bit of difference. The oil is only slightly darker when I change it after 5,000 miles. By the way, I ran for 3,000 when I was on regular oil. Been curious if it can go 7,500 on synthetic oil tho. Just change the filter half way through. I also added magnets to my oil filter a while back. Mine is aluminum but there is a good bit of metal that it will hold on to in there.

Engine wise, this has been one heck of a car. My biggest problem is keeping the A/C working at full power. After I switched to R134, it has not done very well because of the rather small condenser. It's just plain not large enough. That leads to higher pressures on the high side which leads to a shorter compressor life. Junk yards are my friend. Other than normal stuff, plugs, anti-freeze and such as that, its been a great car.

Also, I get about 30 mpg with this thing. I only got about 25 or so when I first bought it. Since I started putting Morey's in it, the heater takes a good long while to warm up. lol It gets there but it takes a while. I think Morey's has really helped my gas mileage more than anything else. It's the biggest change I have made to what I put in it. Oh, it doesn't get good mileage on 92 or 93 either. It likes 87 very well tho.

I called about my new exhaust. I'm looking at about $150.00 to maybe $200.00. That is from exhaust manifold to the rear bumper. Doesn't sound to bad. Oh well, got to do what I got to do.

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#2770416 - 10/12/12 07:36 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I looked at some MMO yesterday with a view to trying it, but there were no directions as to how much to add to oil or fuel tank. Suggestions please. I want to try some on 170K mile Corolla.
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#2770451 - 10/12/12 08:35 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: tc1446]
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Originally Posted By: tc1446
I looked at some MMO yesterday with a view to trying it, but there were no directions as to how much to add to oil or fuel tank. Suggestions please. I want to try some on 170K mile Corolla.


No more than 20% in the oil, you can run it for a full OCI, although I would keep the OCI to about 4,000 miles or a little less. I find winter the best time of the year to add MMO to the sump, you'll notice easier cold weather starts, which is always nice. In the gas 4 ounce to 10 gallons of gas is plenty.
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#2770824 - 10/12/12 03:33 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: tc1446]
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Originally Posted By: tc1446
I looked at some MMO yesterday with a view to trying it, but there were no directions as to how much to add to oil or fuel tank. Suggestions please. I want to try some on 170K mile Corolla.


What demarpaint said.^^^

What's your sump size? A pint in your crankcase will likely get things dissolving/darkening up nicely and safely to start. For gas, I've experimented with many variations but MMO's recommended 4 oz to 10 gallons seems about optimum. Continued, persistent use will aid fuel system cleaning as well as adding back lubricity that ethanol removes from your gas.
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#2771802 - 10/13/12 08:03 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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hey guys, i just added 16oz to my 02 town and country 3.3. the oil had approximately 1200 miles on it and was farily dark before adding the kreen. funny thing happened i added the kreen and after about 100 miles the oil looks like its brand new. is this normal?


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#2772070 - 10/14/12 01:40 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: macdole99]
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how kreen would it make my engine if i added this to oil??
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#2772723 - 10/14/12 06:38 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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RDALEK-I'd keep doing what you are doing with the MMO-engine fill hole looks GREAT!!!
I don't know what's in Moreys-never heard of it before, probably would not be using that stuff though
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#2772743 - 10/14/12 06:55 PM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: steve20]
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Originally Posted By: steve20
RDALEK-I'd keep doing what you are doing with the MMO-engine fill hole looks GREAT!!!
I don't know what's in Moreys-never heard of it before, probably would not be using that stuff though


Moreys is a oil stabalizer. (sp?) Anyway, it is some slick stuff and it sticks to everything. I have to wash my hands in go-op at least a couple times to get it off of them. I have heard it started out being used on big trucks and is somehow like Lucas. My brother, dead now, swore by the stuff. I do know this, when I put a healthy dose in my oil in the winter time, I have very little heat for at least 10 miles or more. I mean very little. It takes MUCH longer to even get any heat. The temp gauge hand goes up slower than it used to but even when the temp gauge shows it is up to normal, still not a lot of heat. After driving it a while, it does get there. No, the heater core is fine. Done checked it. lol Thermostat to.

I still say that switching to Purolator filters helped tho. I just can't figure out how much.

I have another somewhat related question. I been thinking about putting a small oil cooler on this puppy. Anyone think they really help any? It's just a little 1.8L 4 cylinder engine but I dunno.

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#2773031 - 10/15/12 06:10 AM Re: New Kreen Story [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Demarpaint and KCjeep: thanks for the info. Will give it a try.
Corolla is a 4 qt sump and has Mob1 & filter on now with only 3-4K on the oil. Will add some to gas and wait til I get more miles on the oil.
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