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#2698458 - 07/28/12 10:18 PM Speed Bleeders - worth it?
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Are Speed Bleeders worth it? I've searched and some say they are more fragile than typical brake bleeders, but I figure I should be fine as long as I don't torque them down to 80,000 hojillion ft lbs and follow the torque spec in the service manual. Other than that, any thoughts? Do they make one-man brake bleeding possible? I can get two pairs for about $20 from AAP after discount codes, so they are relatively inexpensive.
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#2698513 - 07/28/12 11:27 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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If you install speed bleeders on 4 vehicles, the cost is about the same as Mityvac 7201. I can also do oil, ATF, PSF ... with Mityvac for 4 cars.
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#2698517 - 07/28/12 11:31 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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I have them on my Mazda 3 and found that bleeding brakes is a one man job with them. I like that they are brass as my original steel bleeders were starting to rust on the brake fluid side. shocked2 I don't worry about torqueing them down too much. Snug tight is all you need.

I now use a mity-vac knock-off to bleed brake fluid, so the speedbleeders are not really necessary; but at least they won't rust.
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#2698577 - 07/29/12 03:24 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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If you gotta replace the bleeders anyhow, I'd use em, did once.

But a Mityvac is easier in alot of ways, and more useful.

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#2698684 - 07/29/12 08:56 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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I think so. I put them on my pickup about 8 years ago for the price you stated, and have probably flushed the fluid 3 or 4 times since then. They have more than paid for themselves in simplifying the job and in the time they've saved my wife.

I have no experience with a Mityvac, but never felt the desire for one either. I have two transmissions and a diff with drain plugs, and a hand pump for p/s.

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#2698696 - 07/29/12 09:13 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Any truth to the claim that speed bleeder valves can fail? If they do, that would be really bad.
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#2699008 - 07/29/12 04:11 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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I prefer a Mityvac, or a knock off for less $ than the bleeders.
The seals on the bleeders has to be perfect, or the upstroke can suck air back in.
When operating right, SBs work great. After sitting for years installed on a car, I would have doubts about those seals. It's an area of concern. Probably OK, but that's me.

Either method can produce great quick bleeding.

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#2699626 - 07/30/12 10:40 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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I tried them once on a Ford truck - they worked OK. Don't worry about valve failure (if they fail, it means you'll get a bad bleed, with air coming back in...they seal the same as regular bleeders...).

The hard part for me was this - I can't see the fluid coming out if I am pushing on the pedal, so how do I know when there's no air? I tried routing the tube up over the frame to keep it filled, but bubbles propagate up...so, I ended up with a helper anyway.

The Mityvac works OK for bleeding, but tends to suck air into the line from around the bleeder threads, so, again, determining when the air is purged is difficult at times.

Best thing I've found for bleeding is the Easybleed - but the pressure cap only fits on my Euro Cars, not the 2 Toyotas. So, for those 2 cars, I am back to the helper method, like I was 30 years ago...
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#2700953 - 07/31/12 03:31 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Astro14]
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
I tried them once on a Ford truck - they worked OK. Don't worry about valve failure (if they fail, it means you'll get a bad bleed, with air coming back in...they seal the same as regular bleeders...).

The hard part for me was this - I can't see the fluid coming out if I am pushing on the pedal, so how do I know when there's no air? I tried routing the tube up over the frame to keep it filled, but bubbles propagate up...so, I ended up with a helper anyway.

The Mityvac works OK for bleeding, but tends to suck air into the line from around the bleeder threads, so, again, determining when the air is purged is difficult at times.

Best thing I've found for bleeding is the Easybleed - but the pressure cap only fits on my Euro Cars, not the 2 Toyotas. So, for those 2 cars, I am back to the helper method, like I was 30 years ago...

It sucks air from the bleeder threads along with old brake fluid into the container, no air get back into brake line.
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#2701075 - 07/31/12 05:39 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: LeakySeals]
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Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Any truth to the claim that speed bleeder valves can fail? If they do, that would be really bad.


I don't see any way they could.

Even if the mechanism failed, they still wouldn't leak. Once they're screwed in the fluid's path is blocked, just like a regular bleeder.


Edited by stephen9666 (07/31/12 05:39 PM)

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#2702308 - 08/01/12 08:56 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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They worked perfectly on my mom's 2002 Toyota Solara.
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#2702956 - 08/02/12 02:55 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: artificialist]
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They work alright if you only have one vehicle. I bought the mityvac brake bleeder that hooks up to my compressor and I love it. Makes it a one person job and can use it on any vehicles.

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#2703005 - 08/02/12 03:40 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: HTSS_TR]
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HTSS_TR - uh, yeah, I get that no air is entering the system when I use the MityVac...it's a vacuum pump...basic physics.

What I said, and my point: I can't tell when all the air is purged from the lines. There is never a clean flow of bubble-free fluid.

When you replace a caliper or Master Cylinder, there is a lot of fluid to be moved before the air is completely purged from the system...So, how do I know I am done?
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#2731205 - 08/31/12 10:03 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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I ended up getting some Speed Bleeders from AAP with discount code. How do I install these bleeders? Just remove the old bleeders and install the speed bleeders, tightening to torque spec? Won't brake fluid leak out when I remove a bleeder, or am I misunderstanding something?
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#2731331 - 09/01/12 02:22 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Originally Posted By: Towncivilian
I ended up getting some Speed Bleeders from AAP with discount code. How do I install these bleeders? Just remove the old bleeders and install the speed bleeders, tightening to torque spec? Won't brake fluid leak out when I remove a bleeder, or am I misunderstanding something?


Just put them in. If you want, leave it a quarter turn loose and pump the pedal to bleed them. So little fluid comes out when you change bleeders that it will not make a real difference.
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#2731494 - 09/01/12 08:59 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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They are worth it if you dont have someone to help you out to bleed otherwise the arent better then regulars
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#2731643 - 09/01/12 12:32 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Just remove the old ones and replace with the Speed Bleeders.

Since you might let some air into the system, this is the perfect time to try them out. Get a piece of clear tubing (1/4" maybe?) and some brake fluid, and speed-bleed away.

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#2736961 - 09/07/12 07:36 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Rhymingmechanic]
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Have them fitted to my Corolla and Kluger (Highlander in USA) and they are marvelous, so easy to use.
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#2737163 - 09/07/12 10:57 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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FWIW I put my 2000 Cobra R brake setup on my Mustang last weekend, and the Speed Bleeders made the job so easy. I had the fronts bled in about 5 minutes after bolting on the calipers and hoses.
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#2737382 - 09/07/12 03:13 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Ive had mine for years on the Neon. When I head to the racetrack, I can bleed my brake system between track sessions in less than 10 minutes by myself. I use the speed bleeder bag when bleed my brakes, as it makes it very easy to see when the new fluid has made it thru the system.



Edited by hooligan24 (09/07/12 03:14 PM)
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#2737388 - 09/07/12 03:16 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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#2737805 - 09/08/12 12:18 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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As a stand alone tool it works well for 1-man brake bleeding, there are some inconveniences: after you push the brake pedal several times you need to stop and get out of the vehicle to check and/or top off the reservoir. Each vehicle needs a set and the cost can be very high for 3-4 vehicles.

Lucky for me, I have fluid extractor to do oil change in the E430. It's a perfect tool for that job and then I use it to do ATF and bleed the brake. It's so easy to bleed the brake system of any vehicle, just attach the tube then pump 4-5 times, watch the fluid coming out of the bleeder valve, top off the reservoir while the extractor is siphon the fluid. I can bleed the brake in less than 20 minutes (doesn't count the time to raise the car and remove/reinstall the wheels). From my point of view, a good fluid extractor is an essential tool for DIY.
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#2737811 - 09/08/12 01:16 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Pressure bleeding is the only way to go. Manual bleeding is iffy on older cars with poorly maintained systems - it is possible to damage the master cyl. Vacuum bleeding has been a miserable fail for me, in all forms; I almost always end up with a soft pedal.

Speed bleeders sound like a good idea, but do not seem worth the trouble considering how infrequently brake fluid is serviced. Plus, I cannot see it being quicker than a pressure bleeder for routine fluid replacements.

For the OP, a Motive cap for Nissans is available for your fleet and is the way to go.

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#2737871 - 09/08/12 06:52 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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^^^X a dozen.

been there and done that with speed bleeders. They are simply an unnecessary add on on a regular car.

They worked great on my tracked cars way back when you needed to change the poor quality fluid we used to use. But who needs to service their brakes every few weeks? These days my track rat and my 2nd trackable car both run to the races on their own 4 wheels and drive themselves home, too.
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#2737873 - 09/08/12 06:57 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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A really neat idea but, not worth it as I bleed only once every 2-3 years and a friend helps with the old fashion way.
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#2737903 - 09/08/12 07:33 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Eddie]
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
A really neat idea but, not worth it as I bleed only once every 2-3 years and a friend helps with the old fashion way.


I feel the same way about adding a valve to drain oil. Can't see the point.

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#2738197 - 09/08/12 04:59 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Vacuum bleeding is #1 for me.
Gravity bleeding is slow, but works on the same principle.
One vacuum pump system will work on all cars - no adapters or extra costs.

For one car, speed bleeders can be great. I'd make the installation carefully, clean things really well, use brake grease on the threads, and make sure the dust cap is on.

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#2738551 - 09/09/12 04:04 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: The Critic]
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Pressure bleeding is the only way to go.


I agree. In an age when reasonably priced pressure bleeders are readily available, I don't know why people do anything else.

Maybe you can get one of these bad boys to go with your new impact gun. It's their "low cost" alternative. The adapters are sold separately, though.

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#2738972 - 09/09/12 04:20 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Why? Because vacuum bleeding is cheaper, doesn't require adapters for every car, only requires opening the bleeder, can be done with one man, is virtually foolproof, and works great! The instructor at Bendix brake school loves it.

If you want to spend more money , then get a pressure bleeder. And get an adapter for every car that will be serviced. And keep removing and replacing the cover to fill the reservoir [on many].

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#2739028 - 09/09/12 05:13 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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I agree with Mechtech2.

I had Motive pressure bleeder with adapters for German car(s) and Japanese car(s).

I used it on E430, it was fairly easy to hookup and do the front wheels, but the rear wheels was so slow, not much faster than gravity bleeding.

It was difficult to hookup to the LS400. Again, front wheels was fairly fast and rear wheels was so slow, I had to stop and used the Mityvac and bleeding was done in less than 5 minutes for 2 rear wheels.

With Mityvac extarctor, bleeding 4 wheels can be done in less than 10 minutes, other works take much longer time to do: raise the car, take off the wheel, re-install the wheel, lower the car. Do it 4 times because I don't have jack stand and only one jack.

I sold the Motive bleeder and adapters on Ebay and Craigslist.
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#2739294 - 09/10/12 01:56 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: mechtech2]
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Why? Because vacuum bleeding is cheaper, doesn't require adapters for every car, only requires opening the bleeder, can be done with one man, is virtually foolproof, and works great! The instructor at Bendix brake school loves it.

If you want to spend more money , then get a pressure bleeder. And get an adapter for every car that will be serviced. And keep removing and replacing the cover to fill the reservoir [on many].


Cheaper? Taking Mityvac as an example -- yes, the small hand held is cheaper than something like a Motive. Get into a something that will hold a decent amount of old fluid, and that's no longer the case.

Adapters? Might be an issue for some, if they own a variety of cars. Most European cars likely have an Ate reservoir that has been using the same cap design for over 40 years. Irrelevant to a pro who should have the right tools in any case.

Foolproof? What happens when an inattentive user sucks the reservoir dry? Or, perhaps, is the miniscule capacity most of those vacuum bleeders have serve as a failsafe? Good chance to leave plenty of old fluid to leave behind in the system.

And why would one need to keep removing the cover? The pressure reservoir holds at least a liter of fluid. Fill it once, pump it up, and do all wheels, plus the clutch without any further intervention.

Or are we talking about two different things? Yeah, using a vacuum tools is fine if all one wants to do is crack the screw, get a few air bubbles and siphon a little fluid out.

To me, that's a half measure. I prefer a full flush. Tomato, tomato I suppose.

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#2739378 - 09/10/12 07:48 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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Mechtech is the first person (and I guess HTS_TR) that I have come across who has used both vacuum and pressure bleeding and still prefers the vacuum method. Many people claim that vacuum method does not work and with the pressure method, there is always a risk of big mess if the adapter does not fit well on the reservoir.


Edited by Vikas (09/10/12 07:48 AM)

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#2739389 - 09/10/12 08:21 AM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Towncivilian]
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The main reason I like pressure over vacuum is the super convoluted path the fluid must follow with ABS pumps and extra piping.

Just seems that a flushing is so much more thorough.

But on my car I just gravity bleed it. Simple, but slow.
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#2739589 - 09/10/12 12:35 PM Re: Speed Bleeders - worth it? [Re: Carmudgeon]
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Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
Cheaper? Taking Mityvac as an example -- yes, the small hand held is cheaper than something like a Motive. Get into a something that will hold a decent amount of old fluid, and that's no longer the case.

Yes, in my case it costs me nothing because I bought Mityvac 7201 mainly to do oil change in my E430. I didn't think about using it to bleed the brake, so I bought Motive power bleeder for it. Turn out that vacuum works better on my cars and no extra cost for me in using it.

I also use Mityvac to change ATF and to siphon any fluid anywhere. Motive power bleeder cannot do anything else other than brake job.

It depends on you, if you want different tools for it singular job or you want a versatile tool to do many jobs.
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