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#2681313 - 07/11/12 11:51 PM Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet
NJC Offline


Registered: 04/28/05
Posts: 2941
Loc: Vancouver BC
I was ready to head to US Costco tomorrow to get a set of 4 tires (215/65R16) Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 for a 2004 Sienna ... but a bit of BITOG research and scant tirerack info had me questioning my decision. They are $447 out of the door, including a $100 rebate. But realistically I don't care about saving a few dollars on a tire that sacrifices wet grip - esp in rainy Vancouver BC.

I have had the Primacy MXV4's, and they seem like a decent well-rated tire. The Costco tire guy also mentioned the Michelin Defender. I'll phone tomorrow and see what's available.

Thoughts?

EDIT: My main concern is longevity, quiet and good wet traction. We don't get enough snow for that to be a significant consideration.

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#2681314 - 07/11/12 11:59 PM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 7049
Loc: beaver land EH?
consider Bridgestone Turanza Serenity?

Bought them from US side of Costco, they come with longest threadwear warranty (70,000miles), obviously more quiet ride and excellent traction when dry/wet.

It's been on my wifey's camry for over 4mnths now and couldn't be more happier.

Q.
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#2681318 - 07/12/12 12:04 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
brelandt Offline


Registered: 07/12/09
Posts: 320
Loc: patterson, CA
My parents had the Michelins and I installed the EP422 and they love them. I second the Turanza with serenity as well.
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#2681326 - 07/12/12 12:17 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: Quest]
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Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 18313
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
Most LRR tires will be a bit lacking in the wet traction area. Remember this all relative to what you are comparing it to, so chances are the EP422 is still passable. The Defender likely suffers from reduced wet traction as well due to its fuel-saving characteristics, but likely to a lesser degree than the EP422:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/wheels-tires/318615-michelin-defender.html

Originally Posted By: Quest
consider Bridgestone Turanza Serenity?

Bought them from US side of Costco, they come with longest threadwear warranty (70,000miles), obviously more quiet ride and excellent traction when dry/wet.

It's been on my wifey's camry for over 4mnths now and couldn't be more happier.

Q.

Turanza Serenity was just replaced with the new Turanza Serenity Plus. This tire should improve on the poor rolling resistance of its predecessor.


Edited by The Critic (07/12/12 12:17 AM)

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#2681328 - 07/12/12 12:25 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: brelandt]
mason1125 Offline


Registered: 07/13/05
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[ I second the Turanza with serenity as well. [/quote]

+1. Bridgestone just came out the new version called Turanza Serenity Plus. Check that out!
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#2681337 - 07/12/12 12:45 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
NJC Offline


Registered: 04/28/05
Posts: 2941
Loc: Vancouver BC
I don't see the Turanza Serenity Plus listed in 215/65R15. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen. smile2

Costco seems to list the Standard Touring All-Season for the 2004 Sienna instead of the Grand's.

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#2681340 - 07/12/12 12:48 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 18313
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
Originally Posted By: NJC
I don't see the Turanza Serenity Plus listed in 215/65R15. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen. smile2

Costco seems to list the Standard Touring All-Season for the 2004 Sienna instead of the Grand's.

Here is a list of most of the tires that Costco carries:

http://www.costco.com/Common/CostcoCateg...topnav=national


Edited by The Critic (07/12/12 12:48 AM)

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#2681351 - 07/12/12 01:36 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
NJC Offline


Registered: 04/28/05
Posts: 2941
Loc: Vancouver BC
I have it narrowed down to the Michelin Defender and the BF Goodrich Traction T/A T, in the 215/65R16. I had the Traction T/A's as well as they seemed to be decent on my Volvo wagon.

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#2681380 - 07/12/12 05:09 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
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Loc: New Jersey
traction t/a is an old design isnt it?

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#2681400 - 07/12/12 06:06 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
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If it's among just the Michelin Defender and BFGoodrich Traction T/A, I would recommend the Michelin every time. The BFG is a very old design. The Michelin, on the other hand, is about as new as it gets.
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#2681429 - 07/12/12 06:48 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
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Loc: New Jersey
A relative has these on a corolla used in FL, and has had no complaints. They have been in use for about a year now.

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#2681562 - 07/12/12 09:29 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 7049
Loc: beaver land EH?
Originally Posted By: NJC
I was ready to head to US Costco tomorrow to get a set of 4 tires (215/65R16) Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 for a 2004 Sienna ... but a bit of BITOG research and scant tirerack info had me questioning my decision. They are $447 out of the door, including a $100 rebate. But realistically I don't care about saving a few dollars on a tire that sacrifices wet grip - esp in rainy Vancouver BC.

I have had the Primacy MXV4's, and they seem like a decent well-rated tire. The Costco tire guy also mentioned the Michelin Defender. I'll phone tomorrow and see what's available.

Thoughts?

EDIT: My main concern is longevity, quiet and good wet traction. We don't get enough snow for that to be a significant consideration.


On a side note: what is your mileage on your 04 Seinna? are you struts holding up well?

your vehicle's ability to stop safely and quickly not only relies on good tires, but well-performing struts/shocks as well. If your struts are worn, you will not only have difficulties stopping but also establishing uneven wear on your new tires also.

Q.
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#2681611 - 07/12/12 10:30 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: Quest]
NJC Offline


Registered: 04/28/05
Posts: 2941
Loc: Vancouver BC
Originally Posted By: Quest

On a side note: what is your mileage on your 04 Seinna? are you struts holding up well?

your vehicle's ability to stop safely and quickly not only relies on good tires, but well-performing struts/shocks as well.

Indeed, good points of consideration. I have taken a previously bouncy 2003 Sienna for a drive, so I know the feel. But this 2004 Sienna has 160K, and feels solid and tight at the front.

The Critic made a good point about why pay for the Defender longevity when driving habits will never see the mileage vs time. Typically we do about 13-15k km's per year, so it would take 10 yrs to get to the Defender's rating.

So now am further considering a Michelin that has a softer compound ... I'll have to phone and check stock because my time is limited.

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#2681664 - 07/12/12 11:40 AM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: JHZR2]
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Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 5217
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
traction t/a is an old design isnt it?


If it aint broke, why fix it? smile
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#2681761 - 07/12/12 01:19 PM Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 purchase - cold feet [Re: NJC]
NJC Offline


Registered: 04/28/05
Posts: 2941
Loc: Vancouver BC

The Bellingham Costco only stock the Michelin Defender and Ecopia EP 422 in a 215/65R16. Too bad - next option is the Pirelli P4 four seasons, carried locally (Canada). Expensive, at $670 installed, but appear highly rated.

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