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#2677322 - 07/07/12 09:15 PM [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070
Texan4Life Offline


Registered: 01/28/10
Posts: 2141
Loc: Texas
Ended up flushing and changing the coolant earlier than I expected since the t fitting for my coolant filter broke (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2669975&page=1). So I went ahead and put on a new filter while I was at it.

I honestly wasn't expecting to find anything since this filter has only been on for 7 months and a whopping 4,000 miles. This is form my 05 ram 1500 w/ 5.7L

Turned out I was in for a shocker.


http://i48.tinypic.com/2mnizxu.jpg


http://i48.tinypic.com/168erkz.jpg


http://i47.tinypic.com/17z393.jpg


http://i45.tinypic.com/2lmxcmv.jpg


http://i50.tinypic.com/2gy12dd.jpg


http://i47.tinypic.com/wlupm1.jpg


http://i47.tinypic.com/fuakra.jpg


http://i46.tinypic.com/2z5u4na.jpg


http://i48.tinypic.com/2u9ju43.jpg

No clue why the excess collected at the one point in the can. Maybe coolant flow/turbulence?


Edited by Texan4Life (07/07/12 09:16 PM)
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#2677371 - 07/07/12 09:57 PM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: Texan4Life]
CharlieJ Offline


Registered: 06/12/07
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Loc: FL
What is all of that stuff? Sand particles?
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#2677381 - 07/07/12 10:02 PM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: CharlieJ]
Texan4Life Offline


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Loc: Texas
that's what it felt like to me. guess it is left over from casting.
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#2677395 - 07/07/12 10:12 PM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: Texan4Life]
SuperDave456 Offline


Registered: 10/29/08
Posts: 2255
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Yep, I'm always shocked when draining and filling a radiator for the first time in the vehicles life how much sand is left over.

In most of the plastic pressurized reservoirs they have baffles in the bottom so that some of the larger heavier particles will settle themselves out of suspension.

That filter is kind of impressive really. Imagine if that stuff floated around your coolant system for 100,000 miles along with your "new" coolant which it is rated for that interval.

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#2677427 - 07/07/12 10:53 PM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: Texan4Life]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5070
Loc: MA
Is it Green or HOAT coolant?
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#2677636 - 07/08/12 08:38 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: LeakySeals]
Texan4Life Offline


Registered: 01/28/10
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Is it Green or HOAT coolant?


I drained and flushed the FF at 58k and replaced it with prestone all makes/all models. also added the coolant filter (the one that is cut open)

@ 62k the fitting blew and my water pump did a courtesy drain going down the road. fixed, flushed again with a bunch of distilled water, new coolant filter, and this time I used Zerex G-05.
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#2677718 - 07/08/12 10:16 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: Texan4Life]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5070
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: Texan4Life
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Is it Green or HOAT coolant?


I drained and flushed the FF at 58k and replaced it with prestone all makes/all models. also added the coolant filter (the one that is cut open)

@ 62k the fitting blew and my water pump did a courtesy drain going down the road. fixed, flushed again with a bunch of distilled water, new coolant filter, and this time I used Zerex G-05.

Thanks for that info..Heres my take at what is going on...

The filter idea is really good. But mixing coolants is/was a really bad idea and may be a contributor to what is in your filter.

Green is high in silicates. HOAT is a hybrid OAT (less silicates). G-05 is HOAT. OAT is the newest coolant on the market, uses corrosion inhibitors in place of silicates. Why they have a long and super long life.

Silicates are a chemical compound containing silicon, oxygen, and one or more metals, aluminum, barium, beryllium, borate, calcium, iron, magnesium, manganese, molybdate, nitrite, nitrate, phosphate, potassium, sodium, or zirconium. Used in Green and HOAT coolants. They are a "heavy" compound, have a short life. Only effective for approx 2 years before they fall, known as Silicate Drop Out. When this happens its very abrasive to the water pump and seals. Clogs radiators and the entire coolant system.

When Green or HOAT coolant degrades at end of life, "Silicate Drop Out" occurs. Mixing coolant types have been shown in tests to create corrosive chemical reactions to metals, and reactions between the coolants themselves like foaming, gelling, etc. Mixing a Green (silicate) with a HOAT (low silicate, mostly corrosion inhibitors) could impact the life span of the coolant triggering a Silicate Drop Out. Maybe that part failed from a chemical reaction going on with all the coolant mixes? A stretch but cant be ruled out.

Summary: Your still feeling the pain of prior Silicate Drop Out debris in your filter. Mixing of green and hoats, mixing of coolant in general, leaving the coolant in too long are all contributors. Hopefully will go away after a while, and you filters will be cleaner.
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#2677785 - 07/08/12 11:13 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: Texan4Life]
sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 8243
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I didn't read anywhere in this thread where the OP said he used original green AF, or mixed it with anything. He said he used Prestone AMM which is a no silicate OAT, after a drain and flush of the FF which according to the Zerex coolant chart is low silicated G-05, a HOAT. Depending on how complete the FF drain and flush was, the silicate, if that's what it really is, could only come from the G-05.

Lot's of unknowns here and I'm not going to speculate. But, based on the information provided, mixing with original green is not a factor.


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#2677795 - 07/08/12 11:22 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: sayjac]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
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Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: sayjac
I didn't read anywhere in this thread where the OP said he used original green AF, or mixed it with anything. He said he used Prestone AMM which is a no silicate OAT, after a drain and flush of the FF which according to the Zerex coolant chart is low silicated G-05, a HOAT. Depending on how complete the FF drain and flush was, the silicate, if that's what it really is, could only come from the G-05.

Lot's of unknowns here and I'm not going to speculate. But, based on the information provided, mixing with original green is not a factor.


Its right above my answer. My answer was based on his answer.

Originally Posted By: Texan4Life
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Is it Green or HOAT coolant?


I drained and flushed the FF at 58k and replaced it with prestone all makes/all models. also added the coolant filter (the one that is cut open)

@ 62k the fitting blew and my water pump did a courtesy drain going down the road. fixed, flushed again with a bunch of distilled water, new coolant filter, and this time I used Zerex G-05.
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#2677819 - 07/08/12 11:47 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: LeakySeals]
sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 8243
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^^^^No need to highlight it for me, Prestone AMM is NOT original/conventional Green, nor is it silicated. Again, it's a no silicate universal OAT.

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#2677830 - 07/08/12 11:57 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: sayjac]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5070
Loc: MA
Just taking my shot at what I think the substance is. Spent half the morning writing it too. What do you think it is?
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#2678485 - 07/09/12 03:15 AM Re: [Cut Open] Coolant filter Wix #24070 [Re: Texan4Life]
ltslimjim Offline


Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5143
Loc: PL&F
Perhaps it's residue from the factory fill in some form that settled in some part of the cooling system and didn't come out with the servicing? Compared to the volume of the entire system, hopefully nothing left inside of consequence, perhaps it's negligible in real-world compared to the rest of the vehicle?

Nice going on the filter addition.
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