Recent Topics
Calibration of Canon -fenske viscometers in -51 oC
by Yahya
42 minutes 3 seconds ago
New lower valance (garbage find)
by Realtech214
58 minutes 8 seconds ago
8/27-9/30 O'Reilly Sales Ad
by tenderloin
Today at 02:00 AM
monroe sensa trac vs rancho rs5000
by FLORIDA
Today at 01:44 AM
Opti-Coat has been discontinued for consumers
by The Critic
Today at 01:42 AM
8/26-9/22 AutoZone Sales Ad
by tenderloin
Today at 01:40 AM
Cardboard Box National Registry
by Merkava_4
Yesterday at 11:37 PM
Shell Helix Ultra
by MolaKule
Yesterday at 10:48 PM
2008 S40 T5
by The Critic
Yesterday at 10:42 PM
2007 Jetta Oil Recommendations?
by Tony_Mack
Yesterday at 10:05 PM
$15 off oil change
by CHARLIEBRONSON21
Yesterday at 09:27 PM
De-glazed my rotors.
by eljefino
Yesterday at 08:41 PM
Newest Members
rayzn1123, EricWalls, mikejanczak, 1972, HondaSpider
51111 Registered Users
Who's Online
25 registered (fordranger03, ac_tc, Apollo14, Fleetmon, DSparks, Dufus2, 3 invisible), 567 Guests and 218 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
51111 Members
64 Forums
218344 Topics
3442524 Posts

Max Online: 2862 @ 07/07/14 03:10 PM
Donate to BITOG

Topic Options
#2671306 - 07/02/12 10:40 AM FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name.
StretchinAZ Offline


Registered: 07/02/12
Posts: 2
Loc: Pennsylvania
After extensive MSDS searching I've discovered that Versatrak fluid is actually Castrol 75W-140 SAF-XJ gear oil.

I have successfully eliminated RDM groan in my 2002 Chevy Venture by using a synthetic 75w140 gear oil that has friction modifiers already included.


MSDS for comparison.

Versatrak (BOT 190 M 1) MSDS
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/09D30AEA3FF1BC7180257960005C192F/$File/081946BOT%20190%20M%201.pdf

Castrol 75W-140 SAF-XJ MSDS
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/776BBAF88D425FAD802579500053C02D/$File/073327Castrol%20SAF-XJ%2075W-140.pdf

Top
#2671313 - 07/02/12 10:48 AM Re: FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name. [Re: StretchinAZ]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 33493
Loc: New Jersey
XJ is an LSD diff oil recommended/used by BMW.

Wonder if you can find a cheaper source.

Autotrak II is just blue ATF, right? Neither of these have any specialty adds, right?

Top
#2671322 - 07/02/12 10:52 AM Re: FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name. [Re: StretchinAZ]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 7360
Loc: Akron,Ohio
Originally Posted By: StretchinAZ
After extensive MSDS searching I've discovered that Versatrak fluid is actually Castrol 75W-140 SAF-XJ gear oil.

I have successfully eliminated RDM groan in my 2002 Chevy Venture by using a synthetic 75w140 gear oil that has friction modifiers already included.


MSDS for comparison.

Versatrak (BOT 190 M 1) MSDS
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/09D30AEA3FF1BC7180257960005C192F/$File/081946BOT%20190%20M%201.pdf

Castrol 75W-140 SAF-XJ MSDS
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/776BBAF88D425FAD802579500053C02D/$File/073327Castrol%20SAF-XJ%2075W-140.pdf




nice first post.. but you cant determine that from a msds.. so there is no hard evidence to support your opinion that they are the same.

They do however look very similar.


Edited by Rand (07/02/12 10:55 AM)
_________________________
2011 Subaru Forester X Prem. 5MT

Top
#2671330 - 07/02/12 10:58 AM Re: FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name. [Re: Rand]
StretchinAZ Offline


Registered: 07/02/12
Posts: 2
Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: StretchinAZ
After extensive MSDS searching I've discovered that Versatrak fluid is actually Castrol 75W-140 SAF-XJ gear oil.

I have successfully eliminated RDM groan in my 2002 Chevy Venture by using a synthetic 75w140 gear oil that has friction modifiers already included.


MSDS for comparison.

Versatrak (BOT 190 M 1) MSDS
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/09D30AEA3FF1BC7180257960005C192F/$File/081946BOT%20190%20M%201.pdf

Castrol 75W-140 SAF-XJ MSDS
http://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/amersdsf.nsf/Files/776BBAF88D425FAD802579500053C02D/$File/073327Castrol%20SAF-XJ%2075W-140.pdf




nice first post.. but you cant determine that from a msds.. so there is no evidence to support your opinion that they are the same.



Wouldn't "SECTION 3: Composition/information on ingredients" being identical other than "Base oil - unspecified" indicate that they are the same or very close to the same? All the percentages of ingredients are identical.

Top
#2671357 - 07/02/12 11:11 AM Re: FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name. [Re: StretchinAZ]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 10923
Loc: North Carolina
Not all ingredients are required to be listed on an MSDS. I'm not saying that these fluids are NOT the same, but simply saying that they may contain more than what an MSDS shows. Look at any MSDS for motor oil. It likely just indicates heavy petroleum distillates or similar. None of the other additives (like sodium, boron, etc) are listed on an MSDS.
_________________________
Cheers,
Jason

2008 Honda CR-V
2005 Acura MDX

Top
#2671810 - 07/02/12 05:59 PM Re: FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name. [Re: StretchinAZ]
GMorg Offline


Registered: 01/29/06
Posts: 2326
Loc: Mizzou-land
According to the MSDS links, the viscosity of the 75W-140 (24.7cSt @ 100C) is more than twice the viscosity of the Versatrak (11.53cSt @ 100C). These are not the same fluids.

Top
#2671824 - 07/02/12 06:07 PM Re: FYI: Found Versatrak fluid brand name. [Re: StretchinAZ]
GMorg Offline


Registered: 01/29/06
Posts: 2326
Loc: Mizzou-land
I am pleased to see that you are satisfied with your Versatrak replacement. However, we now one more false statement for search engines to find.

By the way, the pour points and flash points are different too.

Top