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#2668039 - 06/28/12 03:56 PM Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone
DirtRacer53 Offline


Registered: 06/28/12
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Loc: South Central PA, US
I drive a 2005 Silverado with the 4.3 v6 and was wondering what everyone's exp. with the filters were.
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#2668040 - 06/28/12 04:00 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
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#2668041 - 06/28/12 04:00 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
KCJeep Offline


Registered: 06/30/11
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Both have very high filtration, but the Fram is one of the more restrictive filters flow wise out there whereas the PureOne is one of the best. And the interior construction of the PureOne is much stouter as well, given that the PureOne usually costs a bit less also the contest is over in my mind.

Nothing "wrong" with the Toughgard I'd use one if it came from a special but it's not a great value if you're just going to go buy a filter. I've never had a "problem" with either but greatly prefer the PureOne.
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#2668049 - 06/28/12 04:06 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
JRed Offline


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PureOne - the only thing better about the Fram is the marketing.
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#2668095 - 06/28/12 04:44 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
Dakota1820 Offline
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no brainer pureone. even if the fram is good remember the junk they sell as there low line they are pretty bad lol
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#2668172 - 06/28/12 06:08 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
Donald Offline


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Fram has the best marketing. But not the best filters. Given those two choices, I'd go with a PureOne.

But a Bosch D+ of M1 would even be better. Order a couple on Amazon for free shipping.
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#2668207 - 06/28/12 06:45 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Depends on your OCI-if you are only running 3-5000 miles, then the Fram would work-but the Pure One is better, and the Purolator Classic and clones (Quaker State, Pennzoil, ProLine) made by Purolator/Bosch would be good too for less money. If you plan on going for 10K+-then Bosch Distance Plus, Fram Xtended Guard/Ultra, Mobil 1, and Royal Purple filters are the way to go.
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#2668222 - 06/28/12 07:02 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
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Loc: The Old North State
Matter of preference, I've had success with P1 and prefer it's interior construction to that of the TG.

And this month at Advance, 2 P1's for $10 in store, decent.

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#2668290 - 06/28/12 08:24 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: KCJeep]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5269
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Both have very high filtration, but the Fram is one of the more restrictive filters flow wise out there whereas the PureOne is one of the best. And the interior construction of the PureOne is much stouter as well, given that the PureOne usually costs a bit less also the contest is over in my mind.

Nothing "wrong" with the Toughgard I'd use one if it came from a special but it's not a great value if you're just going to go buy a filter. I've never had a "problem" with either but greatly prefer the PureOne.


Can you provide data that shows the TG being more restrictive than a P1? Would like to see that, curious.
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#2668296 - 06/28/12 08:30 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5269
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: DirtRacer53
I drive a 2005 Silverado with the 4.3 v6 and was wondering what everyone's exp. with the filters were.


I would substitute the Fram TG with the Fram XG

P1 - $6.99
XG - $8.97

For $2 more you get the Fram Xtended Guard. Best filter they make. Metal end caps. 10k extended drain, 2x dirt capacity, synthetic media. And the options I missed going back to a Puro classic - the sure grip and the rock hard shell.
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#2668422 - 06/28/12 10:59 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: LeakySeals]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Can you provide data that shows the TG being more restrictive than a P1? Would like to see that, curious.


An old chart made up by ACDelco ... but you can see the FRAM (gray line) is more restrictive than the PureOne (blue line).


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#2668459 - 06/28/12 11:55 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: ZeeOSix]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5269
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Can you provide data that shows the TG being more restrictive than a P1? Would like to see that, curious.


An old chart made up by ACDelco ... but you can see the FRAM (gray line) is more restrictive than the PureOne (blue line).


Thank you! Maybe it was true at the time, but I have a hard time with data from one competitor showing the other competitors in a negative light..

Yeah its old, the Fram Doubleguard was discontinued long ago. Most of the independent filter tests are dated too. Filters change, get updates like any product over time.

Went surfing for new tests, found this independent test dated 2011. Have a look.
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilterstudy.html
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#2668482 - 06/29/12 12:34 AM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 12471
Loc: PNW
You might be interested in this thread if you haven't seen it before.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1621624&page=1
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#2668546 - 06/29/12 06:21 AM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: DirtRacer53]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 10105
Loc: The Old North State
Quote:
....Went surfing for new tests, found this independent test dated 2011. Have a look.
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilterstudy.html

Results of that home filter test have previously been pretty much discredited here. It's been pointed out that several of the filters having the same media showed very different patch results. Also filters have better rated efficiency as rated by ISO testing prtocedures showed worse 'home patch test' results than others with lower ISO testing rated efficiency. I'll believe ISO testing done in controlled conditions over some guys patch test in his basement. Best thing about that home test, the dissection pics.

As for the graph, not sure what AC Delco would have to gain by showing the TG with high restriction and the Pure One being low? The latter of which is confirmed by Super Busa's much posted email. If not for Amsoil recent test of oem filters, we wouldn't know that the FL820S and some others are ~92-94% at 20um.

And while the list P1 price may be $6.99, they can always be found for less than $6 at KMart and Amazon. And, are frequently on sale at AAP for $5 or less as they are currently. For an average 7500-8k oci the P1 is a solid choice.

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#2668599 - 06/29/12 07:51 AM Re: Fram Tough Guard or Purolator Pureone [Re: Sayjac]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5269
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
....Went surfing for new tests, found this independent test dated 2011. Have a look.
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilterstudy.html

Results of that home filter test have previously been pretty much discredited here. It's been pointed out that several of the filters having the same media showed very different patch results. Also filters have better rated efficiency as rated by ISO testing prtocedures showed worse 'home patch test' results than others with lower ISO testing rated efficiency. I'll believe ISO testing done in controlled conditions over some guys patch test in his basement. Best thing about that home test, the dissection pics.

As for the graph, not sure what AC Delco would have to gain by showing the TG with high restriction and the Pure One being low? The latter of which is confirmed by Super Busa's much posted email. If not for Amsoil recent test of oem filters, we wouldn't know that the FL820S and some others are ~92-94% at 20um.

And while the list P1 price may be $6.99, they can always be found for less than $6 at KMart and Amazon. And, are frequently on sale at AAP for $5 or less as they are currently. For an average 7500-8k oci the P1 is a solid choice.

Yeah, opinion or data, both get discredited on here. Only threads that dont end inconclusively are the ones with the most convincing litigators smirk

Of course AC Delco has something to gain by discrediting a competitor. Sales. If you cant beat them, knock them down, spread a false rumor. Find the one thing you do better than them and twist it. Like claiming great flow, when in fact the great flow is due to poor filtration. All these tactics are page one of the saleman's bible.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, just making some points. Thanks for the info.
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