Pennzoil Q&A

Click here to participate in the Pennzoil Q&A

Recent Topics
WSS-M2C946-A vs. dexos1, what are the differences?
by Egg_Head
08/31/15 05:43 AM
Oil for Toyota 4Y Engine
by Farmer
08/31/15 01:06 AM
Best Synthetic Oils for my New and Old Subarus?
by Jack_Kieran
08/31/15 12:10 AM
Low fat vs. Regular milk, big difference?
by daves66nova
08/30/15 11:27 PM
2.2 ecotec under valve cover 150k mi.
by AntsinmyEyes
08/30/15 10:03 PM
VIIs & differences in 5w20, 5w30 & 10w30 oils
by shiny
08/30/15 09:46 PM
recent start-up clatter 3.3 xterra
by AZjeff
08/30/15 09:45 PM
Map light question
by ffhdriver
08/30/15 08:51 PM
Cunning denizens
by BRZED
08/30/15 08:20 PM
redline 40wt
by turtlevette
08/30/15 07:30 PM
Any 9mm Ammo Deals?
by kozanoglu
08/30/15 06:30 PM
4 days - New England. Where to go?
by 97tbird
08/30/15 06:15 PM
Newest Members
sshazam, KC10SteveQ, V10magnum, Daniml, robtimm
55202 Registered Users
Who's Online
33 registered (1foxracing, ARB1977, Al, Brad_C, 5 invisible), 670 Guests and 133 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
55202 Members
66 Forums
236717 Topics
3814264 Posts

Max Online: 2862 @ 07/07/14 03:10 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#2615366 - 05/01/12 09:44 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
tommygunn Offline


Registered: 01/27/11
Posts: 3061
Loc: usa
Somehow I get the impression anyone buying these filters will couple it with Quaker State synthetic and happily run 15,000 miles+ casually ignorant in their moms Ford Taurus...

"The filter will last 15k miles, its fine, oil doesn't wear out!"
_________________________
i am a [censored] who hides behind bugmenot.
i also like applying negative pressure to a certain male appendage.

Top
#2615374 - 05/01/12 09:49 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
DinoLover Offline


Registered: 04/20/12
Posts: 171
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
One slick thing about the Ultra is they included an oil change reminder window sticker on the inside of the top cover of the box. Convenient.


You can get as many reminder stickers from Advance Auto free when you purchase oil and filter.


I make reminders in my outlook / blackberry task list and include the maintenance history and manufacturer's recommended maintenance schedule.

I set a reminder a few weeks before the maintenance is due, giving me time to pick up any required supplies.

I track oil, filter, coolant changes, transmission fluid, power steering fluid, brake fluid changes, air and cabin filters, tire rotations, PEA cleaning.


Edited by DinoLover (05/01/12 09:50 PM)

Top
#2615375 - 05/01/12 09:51 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: tommygunn]
DinoLover Offline


Registered: 04/20/12
Posts: 171
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Somehow I get the impression anyone buying these filters will couple it with Quaker State synthetic and happily run 15,000 miles+ casually ignorant in their moms Ford Taurus...

"The filter will last 15k miles, its fine, oil doesn't wear out!"


They need that FRAM high mileage filter. The one with the gel that conditions the oil ...............

Top
#2615592 - 05/02/12 08:02 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
AuthorEditor Offline


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 1405
Loc: New York
Quote:
Somehow I get the impression anyone buying these filters will couple it with Quaker State synthetic and happily run 15,000 miles+ casually ignorant in their moms Ford Taurus...

"The filter will last 15k miles, its fine, oil doesn't wear out!"


It is pretty routine in Europe for manufacturers to recommend a 15K oil and filter change routine. The average is probably 10K. I'm pretty sure most new Fords in the US recommend 7500 mile intervals, so 15K with synthetic is probably very realistic.

Top
#2633135 - 05/22/12 10:47 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
AuthorEditor Offline


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 1405
Loc: New York
For some reason Fram still shows the Extended Guard filters on their website and I can't even locate the Ultra there.

Top
#2652910 - 06/13/12 08:31 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
Motorking Offline


Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 262
Loc: Detroit
Hello,
I am the technical training manager at FRAM. The Ultra filter is the new name for the improved XG filter. The part numbers are the same. The improvements consist of taking efficiency from 97 to 99% using ISO 4548-12 tests with particle size in the 20 micron range. We also improved the media to increase capacity up to 32 grams in the XG8A size. We are confident all sizes have the capacity for 15k oil changes when used with high quality synthetic oil.
We have now begun production of made in usa cartridge filters as well. This includes the standard Extra Guard line and we will now have long life Ultra cartridge filters. All made in USA. For those who do not know, the construction of the Ultra filter consists of flanged steel end caps that capture a pleated mesh screen. The screen has two layers of synthetic glass media. They also have a silicone antidrainback valve and a new silicone/nitrile combination square cut O ring.
Happy to answer any questions you may have.
_________________________

Jay M Buckley
UCI-FRAM Technical Training Director
(248) 808-4551
[email protected]

Top
#2653052 - 06/13/12 11:59 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 9477
Loc: PNW
Motorking - thanks for the info. The FRAM Ultra sounds like an awesome filter IMO ... I would have no qualms using it.

I do however have a technical question about how FRAM advertises their efficiency data. I notice it always raises some contention and questions on this chat board.

From the FRAM website, it says:
"FRAM Group testing of filter efficiency and capacity of models equivalent to PH8A, 3387A and 6607 under ISO 4548-12 for particles > 20 microns."

When FRAM says "> 20 microns" can one basically say the rated efficiency is at 20 microns? This is how other filter manufactures rate efficiencies. I think the greater than sign throws some people for a loop.

In my mind, it would mean the Ultra (for instance) would be "99% efficient filtering out particles that are 20 microns or larger". Is that what FRAM means?

On a side note - I don't see the Ultra on FRAM's website yet. Seems the marketing website guys are sleeping. wink
http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/product_list

Top
#2653866 - 06/14/12 06:39 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: ZeeOSix]
Motorking Offline


Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 262
Loc: Detroit
Hi,
The >20 microns in the disclaimer? Blame it on the Ultra competitiveness of the filter industry and company lawyers. We run ISO 4548-12 tests using particle sizes in 10-20 micron range for all claims. Then print the disclaimer so no other company can dispute the claims. A major competitor of ours is now basing it's disclaimer on >25 microns and I know for a fact they run 4548-12 using 20 micron particles. You will see more info on Ultra on the website soon. We have to keep the XG stuff up there because there are likely a million of them in the supply chain and we do not want our customers sending them back to us.
_________________________

Jay M Buckley
UCI-FRAM Technical Training Director
(248) 808-4551
[email protected]

Top
#2654079 - 06/14/12 11:26 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: Motorking]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 9477
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Hi,
The >20 microns in the disclaimer? Blame it on the Ultra competitiveness of the filter industry and company lawyers. We run ISO 4548-12 tests using particle sizes in 10-20 micron range for all claims. Then print the disclaimer so no other company can dispute the claims. A major competitor of ours is now basing it's disclaimer on >25 microns and I know for a fact they run 4548-12 using 20 micron particles. You will see more info on Ultra on the website soon. We have to keep the XG stuff up there because there are likely a million of them in the supply chain and we do not want our customers sending them back to us.


Thanks for the info ... makes sense. FRAM should add some info on their website for the Ultra and keep the info for the XG until they are long gone.
_________________________
A filter's brand name doesn't matter ... what's inside does.

Top
#2654117 - 06/14/12 12:10 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
Jim Allen Offline


Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 4477
Loc: NW Ohio
Motorking: Thanks for the info and thanks for joining the board. Please stay! It might be tough for you at first but addressing direct questions is a sure way to end this OCOD bovine scatology. Can we address any other Fram questions to you? I know I have at least a bazillion general oil filters and a half-bazillion related to Fram.

Specific to the new Ultra line

1) What is the capacity of the Ultra equivalent to XG-2 filter (Ford 5.4L V8)

2) Does it have a base-end bypass (do any Frams, for that matter?)? I only aske because this cam up in a recent discussion and Ford seems fixated on them.
_________________________
Jim Allen
Keepin' the Good Old Days of Four Wheeling Alive

Top
#2656401 - 06/16/12 10:30 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
steve20 Offline


Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 3182
Loc: Morris County NJ
Well Praise Be!!

Thanks for joining, stick around!
_________________________
427 Chevy Powered

Top
#2660934 - 06/21/12 02:48 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: hisilver]
Jim Allen Offline


Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 4477
Loc: NW Ohio
Motorking, Motorking, wherefore art thou, Motorking?

I bought an Ultra XG2 filter at my local Walmart. They had two or three numbers in stock on the shelf. I don't doubt the internal construction is superb but the paint work is appallingly bad. It's runny, cracked and peeling off in places and there is paint on the gasket. There were two Ultra XG2 filters on the shelf, and both were about the same. The gasket paint can be cleaned off and the exterior paint isn't a functional issue but these external issues could lead a less knowledgable purchaser to question overall quality when he dumps flaked paint out of the box. For the rest, pics when I get around to it. WM price for the Ultra XG2 was $8.97.


Edited by Jim Allen (06/21/12 02:49 PM)
_________________________
Jim Allen
Keepin' the Good Old Days of Four Wheeling Alive

Top
#2660952 - 06/21/12 03:16 PM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: Jim Allen]
CMMeadAM Offline


Registered: 05/21/11
Posts: 321
Loc: IL, USA
Interesting observation ! Will have to watch for the bad paintwork in the future. The very few Ultra filters I took a look ( because very few numbers are carried ) at at our local Wal Mart looked good and did not show the bad paint, or paint on the gasket you describe. Hope it's just an isolated bad run, but it's good to hear about it, especially on a new filter. Always have to wonder how this kind of shoddy work gets off the line. What say you Motorking ?

Top
#2661610 - 06/22/12 06:36 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: Jim Allen]
sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 9255
Loc: The Old North State
Quote:
Motorking, Motorking, wherefore art thou, Motorking?....

Fwiw, here and other net forums, general MO is post and go. No judgement here, just a factual observation. I will say his Fram youtubes/videos are very informative.

If I ran extended oci's, based on price for construction, the Ultra is the only Fram I'd consider.

Curious if the new Ultra retains the better user/installer friendly (on the box) tapping plate, or has also gone to cheaper plate.

Top
#2661643 - 06/22/12 07:48 AM Re: Fram ULTRA oil filter [Re: sayjac]
afoulk Offline


Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 1102
Loc: Palmyra, PA
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
Motorking, Motorking, wherefore art thou, Motorking?....

Fwiw, here and other net forums, general MO is post and go. No judgement here, just a factual observation. I will say his Fram youtubes/videos are very informative.

If I ran extended oci's, based on price for construction, the Ultra is the only Fram I'd consider.

Curious if the new Ultra retains the better user/installer friendly (on the box) tapping plate, or has also gone to cheaper plate.


I believe there was a thread started on here that showed the new ultra with the cheaper top plate.
_________________________
2012 Toyota RAV4 2.5L AWD

Top
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >