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#2540378 - 02/18/12 06:51 AM Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol
nullack Offline


Registered: 07/16/09
Posts: 27
Loc: Australia
Gday from Aus smile

I own a new NISSAN Patrol, with the 3.0L common rail diesel engine, intercooled turbo.The Patrol is a large 4WD wagon.

The factory service manuals says:

ZD engine (except for Europe):
API CE, CF or CF-4
JASO DH-1*1, *4

ZD engine (for Europe):
API CF-4, ACEA B3 or B3/E3, JASO DH-1*1, *4

NOTES:

*1: For further details, see “SAE viscosity number”.

*4: Never use API CG-4.

As I want to run a full synthetic engine oil, and the cost of the oil isnt a big factor, I'm after suggestions for the best oil to protect and care for my 4WD.

Thanks

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#2540488 - 02/18/12 09:36 AM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: nullack]
LargeCarManX2 Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 2278
Loc: Up here in the NorthWest
Interesting...no CG-4

What grade or weight is reccomended?

What brands are over in OZ?
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#2540498 - 02/18/12 09:49 AM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: LargeCarManX2]
2004tdigls Offline


Registered: 10/31/11
Posts: 236
Loc: maple ridge, bc
just go to your local shell fuel station:

Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40

http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus...ct_range/ultra/

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#2540827 - 02/18/12 04:37 PM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: 2004tdigls]
nullack Offline


Registered: 07/16/09
Posts: 27
Loc: Australia
Thanks, that URL for shell helix ultra 5w-40 doesnt list any certficiztions from JASO, ACEA or API.Anyone got access to proper specs?

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#2540911 - 02/18/12 05:50 PM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: nullack]
2004tdigls Offline


Registered: 10/31/11
Posts: 236
Loc: maple ridge, bc

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#2540925 - 02/18/12 06:03 PM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: 2004tdigls]
nullack Offline


Registered: 07/16/09
Posts: 27
Loc: Australia
So it has no jaso certs ( which I'd prefer) and with the American API stuff it only does cd which doesn't meet the oem spec. I'm not keen and I could've see the oem denying claims on not using speced oil.

Is it true that API cj4 means it also meets cf4 in which case there's other options

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#2540944 - 02/18/12 06:21 PM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: nullack]
nullack Offline


Registered: 07/16/09
Posts: 27
Loc: Australia
Hmm found this one amsoil API cj4 5w 40 and it's lots of certs including API cf

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#2542726 - 02/20/12 11:50 AM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: nullack]
m37charlie Offline


Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 1098
Loc: Alaska
Here's a Penrite product:
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/pis_pdfs/HPR%20DIESEL%2015%20Oct%202011.pdf
It is 15W50, DH-1, but also CI4+. I don't know if that "no CG4" means also nothing byond CG4, i.e. CH4, CI4, CI4+, or just no CG4.
I find these Japanese specifications very confusing sometimes.

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#2555043 - 03/02/12 11:04 PM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: nullack]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 25314
Loc: a prison island
Go to the heavy dutiy diesel engine oil section, and you'll see many of my posts of struggling with Nissan's requirements on "nothing past" CF-4 on their requirements in the ZD30 in my Navara.

Nissan expressly stated when I rang them that the increased dispercency in the modern US lubes keeps the soot dispersed, and leads to top end wear, whereas stuff CF-4 and below allows it to agglomerate, and maybe be filtered out.

They state that you will lose warranty is you use better than CF-4, even if it meets the B requirements, and JASO.

Caltex makes Delo CXJ (mineral), 15W-40 which literally meets the specs, but is wrong wrong wrong in many ways. It's the only oil that I've run that meets the JASO spec.

Reading a new Patrol manual (one of my guys got one last Monday), it now lists viscosity as 5W-30. (Mine was shipped with 10W-30, and a recommendation for 15W-40, which has been dropped to 5W-40 recently I believe). Initial fill gave me the best mileage that I've ever had.

My next oil change was going to be Nulon Diesel Long Life 5W-30, and the new Patrol Manual sealed it.

Stuff that I've used includes aforementioned Delo CXJ, M1 0W-40, Edge 0W-40, Castrol Magnatec SP 5W-40, and currently Mobil 3000 5W-40 synthetic. Some UOAs are around on the Magnatec.

But like I said, I'm going Nulon next time, to try to get the 11km/l that I got on the Factory Fill. (Sitting on 10km/l on the Mobil with a squirt of motul estertech)

Check on the required cetane rating for your engine also

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#2574520 - 03/21/12 02:32 AM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 2
Loc: Australia
I have a 1VDfte (4.5 TTD Toyota) in my 200 series, and I am currently using Motul Turbolight 4100.

It's a 10w40, rated at API SL/CF. The first oil that was in the engine (for 5000km) was Delo 400 15w40.

I have now had the turbolight in for 7000km, and 2000km respectively, and I have had no dramas whatsoever.

Oil pressure is unaffected (maybe it comes on faster at startup - I might be wrong but who knows), and I think it's slightly better on fuel consumption, but we are talking 0.5L/100km stuff here.

The oil is moderately sooty after 7000km, but you can still see through the oil to the dipstick (if that makes sense, ie: it's not black paint on the stick, more like dark,dark honey).

Seeing our engines are alike (modern CRD), maybe Turbolight 4100 is an option for you. The only thing, is I dunno the compatibility with DPF's if your patrol has one.

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#2574883 - 03/21/12 12:37 PM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: 200_Series]
abycat Offline


Registered: 12/06/10
Posts: 915
Loc: clairmont AB
I wonder what brand they come with in them from the dealer? Sounds like a pain in the butt. I like the idea of diesels in stuff now and would have picked up my car in diesel form if they had it. I think they might in differrent parts of the world but not here.
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#2575711 - 03/22/12 01:59 AM Re: Oil Recommendation Please: CRD Patrol [Re: nullack]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 25314
Loc: a prison island
They come pre-filled from Japan, with a 10W-30 I think.

The Toyota one is pretty majorly "different" looking in oil analysis.
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