Fram ExtraGuard PH8316, 7100 miles, 4 months

[ABerns]

These are pictures of a Fram ExtraGuard PH8316 taken off of a 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 with the 2.0L Zetec. I like the 8316 because it has the "clean-side" ADBV, which you can see in the last photo. Filter was run for 7100 miles with Mobil 1 10w30. The nitrile ADBV still held oil, as did the "clean-side" ADBV (a LOT of oil). Bypass fit snugly against the media, no leaks found.

One thing I did find interesting is the discoloration of the metal inside the filter (second photo). I've seen this with Amsoil as well. Nothing I'm concerned about, just interesting.

 

[Sayjac]

Looks good, interesting design. Is the orange can the only maker that uses that clean side adbv for this application? The purpose is to keep some oil in the centertube? It's at the opposite end the bypass valve? And the oil pressure opens it when the engine operating?

7100 miles in 4 months, assuming a substantial amount of road miles? Judging from the filter, bet the engine looks pretty good too. No use of OUO for you.

I notice your Summit cutter does the same thing with smaller filters, hits the wheel retainer bar rather than the guide wheels.

Thanks for the pics.

 

[chubbs1]

Looks like it held up really well. I think the Fram's are unreasonably judged to be a poor product. They really are not that bad. Overpriced...yes, but if you can get good deals on them I would not hesitate to use one.

 

[webfors]

Looks good. I like it!

 

[LeakySeals]

Question. The metal ring on the paper end cap. Was that on the silicon adbv end, or the bypass end?

 

[Caliberguy]

if it was all there was on the shelf, i'd buy one. i'm not crazy about cardboard when competitiors use metal endcaps. But i watched a FRAM-produced video on Youtube-the video dispells alot of 'myths' and actually shows the amount of testing that goes into these oil filters.........so i agree- people aren't being fair to FRAM.

 

[Cristobal]

I think the OCOD has been maligned a lot. For a regular interval change, it does the job.

I once ran one in a pinch to 8,000 miles.

While I would not want to "stretch" this filter design, being ho-hum in no way implies that it will not measure up for common use.

 

[bustednutz]

I would use their cartridge filters without a 2nd thought. The spin on cans......not realla fan. But the cartridges look and feel sturdy.

 

[ZeeOSix]

ABerns - could you rip into the filter more and expose the guts of that unique bypass valve setup? Maybe post up a few more photos of it?

 

[moto94536]

I will not use fram oil filter. cristobal know it.

 

[ABerns]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Looks good, interesting design. Is the orange can the only maker that uses that clean side adbv for this application?

I believe the original Motorcraft filter had the same valve (the FL2005). Can anybody confirm this? I use the PH5343 for my MX-6 (Fram), and it also contains this "clean-side" ADBV. I haven't seen another aftermarket filter with it, but I haven't searched too far. Perhaps somebody else knows better?

Originally Posted By: sayjac
The purpose is to keep some oil in the centertube? It's at the opposite end the bypass valve? And the oil pressure opens it when the engine operating?

Correct on all statements. With this "clean-side" ADBV, apparently oil is delivered almost instantly. There is a weak spring behind the white cap, and so almost any amount of flow opens the valve. I know the filters hold a lot more oil with this valve than without.

Originally Posted By: sayjac
I notice your Summit cutter does the same thing with smaller filters, hits the wheel retainer bar rather than the guide wheels.

Haha, good eye!

 

[ABerns]

Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Question. The metal ring on the paper end cap. Was that on the silicon adbv end, or the bypass end?


That's the "clean-side" ADBV. It is on the open end of the filter (not on the bypass end -- same side as the nitrile ADBV). When you look into the filter before cutting it open, all you will see is this valve in there.

 

[ABerns]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
ABerns - could you rip into the filter more and expose the guts of that unique bypass valve setup? Maybe post up a few more photos of it?

Absolutely. The first two pictures are what you see in a new PH8316 when you look inside of it.

Next, a picture of the filter element and both ADBVs with the can removed.

And finally, the valve taken out.

I went ahead and also made a video of taking apart the can so you can see the valve actuated. It opens very easily.

 

[edhackett]

Yup, and there it is, the famous Fram misaligned center tube/end cap,insuring a poor seal.

Ed

 

[Silver02ex]

First off, the OCOD name is just misleading. It may cost more than other filters, however if people are willing to pay for it then why shouldn't Fram charge a higher price. If I make a product and keep the cost down but people are willing to pay a premium price for it, I'm going to keep doing it. This can be said with just about every product. I personally wouldn't go out and pay full price for one, but it doesn't mean I will not use it. The filter will do is job and that's the important thing.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ABerns

I went ahead and also made a video of taking apart the can so you can see the valve actuated. It opens very easily.


Thanks for the extra photos and video! Interesting design ... there's a normal bypass valve located in the dome end of the filter, and then there's the other valve located in the middle of the center tube, which apparently is there to help keep oil in the filter (along with the normal ADBV) after engine shutdown. Think of the 2nd valve as the "Center Tube ADBV". I think Purolator has a few filters with a similar design concept.

So I would imagine the valve in the middle of the center tube has a much softer spring than the bypass valve in the dome end?

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
First off, the OCOD name is just misleading. It may cost more than other filters, however if people are willing to pay for it then why shouldn't Fram charge a higher price......

Sure, proving ignorance is bliss. And an uninformed consumer, willing to believe the advertising and pay more for less, Fram's got it covered. Most folks reading this board though, aren't uninformed. I did notice the OP's filter has the more customer/installer friendly tapping plate, rather than the Fram new(old) cheaper tapping plate and mounting opening.

Also, most folks here don't have a issue with the orange can strictly because it's a Fram with "engineered media" fiber end caps. It's the cost for construction. Sell the orange can for ~$2.00 and then cost for construction argument becomes less of a factor. Like the free MG 'black can' being basically free with O'R promo. I did say most folks though, but not all.

For the OP, is there some reason why this application uses the extra adbv? Does it have something to do with the orientation of the filter? Does it have something to do with the engine design? Have you used other filters without the extra adbv and noticed a difference at start up as far as nvh, start up rattle?

 

[KCJeep]

Looks good, hardly the OCOD. I won't buy one if I need just a filter, but if it comes with an oil change special, I will use one in a heartbeat.

E-core different story, just can't do it.

 

[fxrider]

Great job ABerns

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: bustednutz
I would use their cartridge filters without a 2nd thought. The spin on cans......not realla fan. But the cartridges look and feel sturdy.


I agree. I was looking at the cartridge filters at Autozone one day and was very impressed with the Fram Cartridge filter and that was also the only one that was shrink wrapped in plastic too. However, if I recall, it was close to $8 for the Fram vs $4 for the STP, which was also decent.