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#2567966 - 03/15/12 12:58 AM Valvoline vs Pennzoil?
Since1941 Offline


Registered: 03/11/12
Posts: 246
Loc: Hawaii/Ohio USA
Hello,

I do not want to start any controversial arguments, or anything of that nature. I am new here, and just wanted to know peoples opinions between the two brands. I have been reading, that Valvoline has "weak additives," and Pennzoil has really good base oils. I started some other threads in regards to oils for my vehicles, but these are the two brands I have come down to, and have to do three different vehicles. I just want to know peoples thoughts on the companies above, and their products. I hope it can stay fair, and not go off on wild attacking of one another. Look forward to hearing peoples opinions, and thank you for reading!



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#2567967 - 03/15/12 01:05 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
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Registered: 12/16/11
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based on my 50 years of experience my vote is with poennzoil!
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#2567971 - 03/15/12 01:20 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
cutter Offline


Registered: 02/06/12
Posts: 730
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
I've never used either, but based on voa, id go with pennzoil sm/sn.

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#2567973 - 03/15/12 01:29 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: oilmutt]
Since1941 Offline


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Oilmutt,

Any particular reason, or is it just what you like? Thanks for the reply!
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#2567983 - 03/15/12 03:14 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
troyh Offline


Registered: 08/09/10
Posts: 146
Loc: ID
Use Amsoil, but have used Pennzoil products based on the great UOA's. Never been a Valvoline fan.

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#2568004 - 03/15/12 05:04 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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I have no problem with Pennzoil, nor any problem with Valvoline. It "seems" that PYB might have the better additive package, but it's easy to say "weak additive package" without having any more evidence than a cheap VOA. Considering that Valvoline (in the appropriate grades) passes SN and GF-5, there's no issue in using it whatsoever in appropriate vehicles.

Vote with your wallet, if you like. Pennzoil was cheapest here when I got the G and needed a stash for it. Had I bought it a few months earlier or a few months later, I would have had a stash of VWB instead.
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#2568015 - 03/15/12 05:54 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
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first , not all additives show up in a UOA , second base oils matter , there are several UOAs for VWB which supposedly has a weak add pack but the wear numbers look nice and low.

Most of the base oils that Ashland uses are purchased from Shell anyways. I prefer Valvoline myself, especially their Maxlife series oil.

Having said that , seems that Pennzoil oils have a strong TBN meaning you can go longer on the oil. Whichever is on sale would work for ya.
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#2568017 - 03/15/12 05:59 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
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Registered: 11/20/06
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SOPUS or Mobil products only for me in the US, Shell and Castrol for my car and bike in Europe.
Never used Valvoline engine oil and probably never will since they came out with Nextgen.

Maxlife is good tranny fluid though.
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#2568049 - 03/15/12 06:58 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: bourne]
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Registered: 10/04/10
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Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: bourne
first , not all additives show up in a UOA , second base oils matter , there are several UOAs for VWB which supposedly has a weak add pack but the wear numbers look nice and low.

Most of the base oils that Ashland uses are purchased from Shell anyways. I prefer Valvoline myself, especially their Maxlife series oil.

Having said that , seems that Pennzoil oils have a strong TBN meaning you can go longer on the oil. Whichever is on sale would work for ya.


From Shell? Are you sure you didnt mean XOM.
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#2568057 - 03/15/12 07:19 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
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Registered: 02/17/07
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I like Pennzoil myself. It seems to be "the oil" for my girlfriend's Honda with the 2.4 liter V-tech engine. Her engine runs quieter and smoother on Pennzoil than it has on other brands. I use Pennzoil conventional in the yellow bottle in my truck too, it does run very smoothly and is also quiet. Pennzoil has a lot of molybdenum content, which could be a reason why the engines are smoother and quieter.

I also like Quaker State which is pretty close to Pennzoil, both are Shell products but QS has less Moly and more Boron content. Boron is said to be very good for your engine seals. I have not run Valvoline in a very long time. Back when I did use Valvoline it was a pretty good oil but now I very much prefer Penzoil or Quaker State.
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#2568072 - 03/15/12 07:51 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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One thing I learned over the years being here is that there is a lot of hyperbole around certain oil brands. Anything Pennzoil just gets a free pass. Mention Castrol or Valvoline and the story changes dramatically.

In reality, if you have an application that requires regular API certified oil, with no other special requirements, you can choose your oil blindfolded. It will be just as good of a choice as picking the most recommended oil on this board. So I would pick what is cheaper.
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#2568073 - 03/15/12 07:51 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: volk06]
bourne Offline


Registered: 12/20/06
Posts: 1253
Loc: Greenwood, IN
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: bourne
first , not all additives show up in a UOA , second base oils matter , there are several UOAs for VWB which supposedly has a weak add pack but the wear numbers look nice and low.

Most of the base oils that Ashland uses are purchased from Shell anyways. I prefer Valvoline myself, especially their Maxlife series oil.

Having said that , seems that Pennzoil oils have a strong TBN meaning you can go longer on the oil. Whichever is on sale would work for ya.


From Shell? Are you sure you didnt mean XOM.


"some" does come from XOM, bulk however comes from Shell
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#2568079 - 03/15/12 08:00 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
SLCraig Offline


Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 5231
Loc: London, ON, Canada
I am a long time Valvoline guy. I have used everything though and it's hard to say I have a real preference. I do know SOPUS makes great oils and the key is they are usually on sale somewhere, so that is why I end up using Pennzoil or QS more than any other brand.

No need to make this decision scientific, use whatever gives you the best gut feeling.
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#2568081 - 03/15/12 08:03 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Jimmy9190]
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Registered: 03/16/09
Posts: 2012
Loc: Southeast Michigan
I have run both Pennzoil Platinum and Valvoline SynPower in our VUE and had UOAs done. Check out the following link:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2463952

Platinum is on the right and was run for a bit over 6000 miles. SynPower is on the left and was run for a bit over 7500 miles. Both performed well.

TBN of the SynPower is pretty low, so I probably wouldn't run it more than 7500 miles in my vehicle given and the driving conditions it is exposed to. And many others have said that SynPower isn't a good choice for extended intervals.
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#2568082 - 03/15/12 08:04 AM Re: Valvoline vs Pennzoil? [Re: Since1941]
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 3660
Loc: Michigan
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2429950&page=1

Check out this link for VOA's that the PQIA did back in November for some of the more popular conventional oils. It shows some very interesting differences in the oils' formulations.
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