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#2541923 - 02/19/12 04:00 PM starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem?
mpvue Offline


Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 2695
Loc: Easton, PA
.93 camry 4cyl. won't start. been sitting for a few weeks but ran up until then.
I haven't been able to check for spark, because I'm by myself.
timing belt is ok (rotor turns when cranking)
recent tuneup, new distributor and throttle position sensor.
no fuses blown.
I CANNOT hear the fuel pump come on, but I have no history with this car, so I don't know if it normally can be heard)
it will NOT start with starting fluid.
any ideas?
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#2541933 - 02/19/12 04:12 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
45ACP Offline


Registered: 04/03/11
Posts: 1271
Loc: Dallas Texas
Where are you spraying the starting fluid?

And did you check for spark?

You could do it a quick way by pulling a spark plug and putting it close to metal to see if you can see the electricity jump. Not sure i recommend that, but it is do-able.

I electrocuted someone that way once. smile .. but only enough to verify "yeah it got fire" (fire referring to spark.) smile

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#2541948 - 02/19/12 04:28 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
mpvue Offline


Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 2695
Loc: Easton, PA
I tried spraying the starting fluid in the intake tube, and right into the throttle body.
couldn't check for spark w/o having anyone to crank it over while I'm looking for spark.
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#2541970 - 02/19/12 04:49 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
Rick in PA Offline


Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 2163
Loc: Southeastern, PA
In my experience with starting fluid (small gas engines), if it doesn't try to start: A. the plug is fouled, B. problems with the ignition system. Just my 2 cents.
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#2541974 - 02/19/12 04:52 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: Rick in PA]
mpvue Offline


Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 2695
Loc: Easton, PA
Originally Posted By: Rick in PA
In my experience with starting fluid (small gas engines), if it doesn't try to start: A. the plug is fouled, B. problems with the ignition system. Just my 2 cents.

agree. plugs and wires are new. posts on the toyota forums lead to the ICM (ignition control module)
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#2542016 - 02/19/12 05:26 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
NHGUY Offline


Registered: 10/09/11
Posts: 3375
Loc: USA
New distributor? Most aftermarket new ones are Chinese.I bet the pick up module is no good.

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#2542060 - 02/19/12 06:12 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: NHGUY]
user52165 Offline


Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 734
Loc: CA
Why a new distributor? Or was it just a new cap?

Also - do a fuel pressure test.

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#2542078 - 02/19/12 06:24 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: Rick in PA]
TFB1 Offline


Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 2622
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Rick in PA
In my experience with starting fluid (small gas engines), if it doesn't try to start: A. the plug is fouled, B. problems with the ignition system. Just my 2 cents.

Same applies with larger engines, it should at least try to run for couple seconds...

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#2542100 - 02/19/12 06:41 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 24160
Loc: ME
If you're clever you can peer through the slit at the bottom of the windscreen where the hood/ cowl hole is open, and see the engine. Then you can see your spark tester. Even an inline timing light will work and will have lots of wire to position it right.

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#2542386 - 02/19/12 10:51 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 6408
Loc: beaver land EH?
Why don't you just pull off some spark plugs and inspect?

Q/.
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#2542500 - 02/20/12 06:52 AM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: Quest]
mpvue Offline


Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 2695
Loc: Easton, PA
Originally Posted By: Quest
Why don't you just pull off some spark plugs and inspect?

Q/.

plugs look good, no fouling, no gas smell. I intend to pull a wire to check for spark, but I didn't have anyone around to turn the key while I do that.
plan today is to get the battery charged and check for spark.
thanks for the responses!
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#2542966 - 02/20/12 03:55 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
mechtech2 Offline


Registered: 09/05/06
Posts: 19479
Loc: Chicago Area
Just because the rotor or cam turns does not mean the timing is OK.
The belt could be chewed up or has slipped and jumped time.
But yes, generally, if starting fluid does not make her pop, then it's the ignition.

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#2542972 - 02/20/12 04:05 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
Posts: 6408
Loc: beaver land EH?
no fouling, no gas smell on your plugs?

Sounds like you aren't getting any fuel into your combustion chamber!?

and then you need to check to see if there's any spark?

Q,
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#2543177 - 02/20/12 07:49 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
morris Offline


Registered: 08/24/08
Posts: 3681
Loc: ks, wichita
no SOME engines with electronic ignition a short at a wire might damage the electronic box. just something i read.

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#2543355 - 02/20/12 09:48 PM Re: starting fluid doesn't work, is spark the problem? [Re: mpvue]
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Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5143
Loc: PL&F
Might be fuel related, how long ago was the 'new distributor' installed, though for kicks?
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